Pakistan is buying Type-022 Houbei stealth catamaran missile boats

[Djinn]

i dont have time to deal with demi trolls

And i don't have patience to listen to pseudo intellectuals. Go and try to impress some one else, perhaps a 5 year old will do. Ciao

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Irrespective of what their role may be, they will fortify PN's defenses many folds. Secondly, don't think that you can fire Moskit and we wont fire Babur, anti-ship and anti-carrier missiles? That is quite a childish response from a TT.

We won't fire moskit,we will fire brahmos.Against which PN currently has basically no defense.Apart from this there is supersonic Klub.As well as subsonic harpoons,kh-35,sea eagle.
Babur is primarily LACM,even if converted to anti ship role this subsonic missile is not really a threat against barak-8 armed ships which are designed to intercept supersonic sea skimmers.The other 3 anti ship missiles pakistan has in its inventory are Exocet,Harpoon and chinese C-802,C-803.All 3 are subsonic missiles which even barak-1 was deemed enough for.Pakistan has no supersonic sea skimmer that is dedicated anti ship missile.
Recently acquired CM-400 which is supersonic but only HI-HI flight profile incapable of sea skimming and thus easy to detect and shoot down.
My response is not childish,its a fact pakistan has completely neglected the naval arm for way too long and has thus created a major imbalance in this area.

DEFENSELESS?

The boat’s multi-purpose radar can search and lock on targets both in the air and at sea, guide anti- ship and aircraft missiles.

The boats’ eight YJ83 new-type medium-range (150 km) anti-ship missiles can attack multi-targets beyond visual range.

According to a US naval officer, John Patch, “This craft is a purebred ship killer, perhaps even a carrier killer

The boats’ stealth function is so superb that tens of radars cannot detect them while their coating is so wonderful that one cannot see them until they have come quite close.

They may leave the battle field after firing their missiles as due to the boat’s advanced data link, they can leave the missiles to the care of AEW&C aircraft or warships.

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It basically has no defense against enemy cruise missiles like brahmos which has much greater range 300 km officially.
To get within 150 km of a CBG without being attacked by anti-ship missiles of escorts/helicopters ,escorting submarine torpedoing it or being destroyed by carrier borne aircraft would be a feat.In any case its missile can be shot down effectively by active seeker barak-8.

 

[Djinn]

We won't fire moskit,we will fire brahmos.Against which PN currently has basically no defense.Apart from this there is supersonic Klub.As well as subsonic harpoons,kh-35,sea eagle.
Babur is primarily LACM,even if converted to anti ship role this subsonic missile is not really a threat against barak-8 armed ships which are designed to intercept supersonic sea skimmers.The other 3 anti ship missiles pakistan has in its inventory are Exocet,Harpoon and chinese C-802,C-803.All 3 are subsonic missiles which even barak-1 was deemed enough for.Pakistan has no supersonic sea skimmer that is dedicated anti ship missile.
Recently acquired CM-400 which is supersonic but only HI-HI flight profile incapable of sea skimming and thus easy to detect and shoot down.
My response is not childish,its a fact pakistan has completely neglected the naval arm for way too long and has thus created a major imbalance in this area.
It basically has no defense against enemy cruise missiles like brahmos which has much greater range 300 km officially.
To get within 150 km of a CBG without being attacked by anti-ship missiles of escorts/helicopters ,escorting submarine torpedoing it or being destroyed by carrier borne aircraft would be a feat.In any case its missile can be shot down effectively by active seeker barak-8.

Certain facts you have conveniently left out.
Brahmos is Moskit with a new paint job.
Type022 cannot be detected easily, so IF detected then comes the question of Moskit, which again only has the advantage of speed but not impervious to ECCM.
Babur incorporates stealthy features, so again good luck in detecting it too.
Type022 can operate at long distances.
Type 022, carries YG-83 which have super sonic speed at the terminal stage.
CM-400 dives at supersonic speed so it's most definitely not as easy to detect and shoot as you claim.
I called your stance childish, because you are trying to claim victory for IN on a cyber platform----------Now how much of that is based on your subjectivity, rather than ground realities is the key point.
Just like IN-------------Now you consider a mix of cruise missiles surface and air launched, precision guided glide bombs, torpedoes, ASW, AEW&C, naval air defenses and then consider the unlikely option of a naval blockade.

 

[Osiris]

Certain facts you have conveniently left out.
Brahmos is Moskit with a new paint job.
Type022 cannot be detected easily, so IF detected then comes the question of Moskit, which again only has the advantage of speed but not impervious to ECCM.
Babur incorporates stealthy features, so again good luck in detecting it too.
Type022 can operate at long distances.
Type 022, carries YG-83 which have super sonic speed at the terminal stage.
CM-400 dives at supersonic speed so it's most definitely not as easy to detect and shoot as you claim.
I called your stance childish, because you are trying to claim victory for IN on a cyber platform----------Now how much of that is based on your subjectivity, rather than ground realities is the key point.
Just like IN-------------Now you consider a mix of cruise missiles surface and air launched, precision guided glide bombs, torpedoes, ASW, AEW&C, naval air defenses and then consider the unlikely option of a naval blockade.

What kind of paint do have in Pakistan?

That can turn this
Moskit

In to this.
Brahmos

 

[Djinn]

What kind of paint do have in Pakistan?

That can turn this
Moskit

In to this.
Brahmos

 

[Osiris]

That's not Moskit genius, that is Yakhont.
Atleast get your facts right, before going into long rants about stuff, you know nothing.

 

[313baberali]

Old News China is giving it to Pakistan (Patrol Boats) for Gawadar and CPEC

But these are sure some Sexy Boats

Hi yap i agree with u as it look old news,but these are not patrol boats these are fast missile boats,we give them of order of 6 boats in which 4 china will made and 2 in khi ship yard,but do you know the model number of china patrol boats? Which we are buying because there is no link i found on internet and no pictures also,even Pakistan ministry defence website only tell deal of boats but not model ,

 

[Djinn]

That's not Moskit genius, that is Yakhont.
Atleast get your facts right, before going into long rants about stuff, you know nothing.

I know its Onik(i mixed it with Moskit---------stand corrected) fact is Brahmos still is nothing but a paint job. So think of something else to rekindle your shattered ego. Funny thing is Chinese have just caught up on this "super duper alien tech" as well

 

[Osiris]

I know its Onik, fact is Brahmos still is nothing but a paint job. So think of something else to rekindle your shattered ego. Funny thing is Chinese have just caught up on this "super duper alien tech" as well

Paint job or not, India has thousands of this missile, it can make as many it wants, it can sell whomsoever it want.

Chinese have a subsonic , non sea skimming missile, which goes supersonic in last stage of its flight envelop.

Where as Bhramos supersonic throughout its envelop, it can fly low altitude , below the horizon if required.

Chinese missile similar Russian club missile ,which is also supersonic in end stage.

 

[$@rJen]

After submarines acquisition announcement, another blow for the "we can conveniently subject Pakistan to a naval blockade"

Some patrol boats are going to stop a Blockade!!! this is Absurd

 

[Djinn]

Paint job or not, India has thousands of this missile, it can make as many it wants, it can sell whomsoever it want.

Chinese have a subsonic , non sea skimming missile, which goes supersonic in last stage of its flight envelop.

Where as Bhramos supersonic throughout its envelop, it can fly low altitude , below the horizon if required.

Chinese missile similar Russian club missile ,which is also supersonic in end stage than Bhramos.

The discussion isn't about Onyx or CX-1 so let's not talk about them. Your compatriot made a slanted point and therefore was given counter argument.

 

[$@rJen]

I know its Onik(i mixed it with Moskit---------stand corrected) fact is Brahmos still is nothing but a paint job. So think of something else to rekindle your shattered ego. Funny thing is Chinese have just caught up on this "super duper alien tech" as well

Why don't you post the both Missiles specs and see for your self... if just paint job or not???

At least try to prove us your claim.

 

[Djinn]

Some patrol boats are going to stop a Blockade!!! this is Absurd

When a missile can destroy entire navy a stealthy missile boat can prevent a blockade-------------Now read up properly or don't pass these inane comments.

Why don't you post the both Missiles specs and see for your self... if just paint job or not???

At least try to prove us your claim.

I dont have to prove the obvious. Like i said isnt about Onyx so try to boost your morale else where.

 

[$@rJen]

When a missile can destroy entire navy a stealth boat can prevent a blockade-------------Now read up properly or don't pass these inane comments.

Really... Do enlighten me.. how a 220ton kid is going to come in the distance of 500km from coast and find the CBG and Fire its poor AShM ???

I dont have to prove the obvious. Like i said isnt about Onyx so try to boost your morale else where.

Kid.. because you can't.... yes the design was borrowed from one of a older missile but inside its totally different..

 

[Viper0011.]

After submarines acquisition announcement, another blow for the "we can conveniently subject Pakistan to a naval blockade"

That Naval blockade drama is history. The second they raised Pakistan's EEZ to 350-400 miles, that show of blockade was over. Due to extended EEZ, Pakistan has ALL the rights to keep her navy and jet patrolling and protecting the EEZ. So Pakistan's Navy will now cover, from the initial 100 miles or so, to now 350-400 miles. This takes Pakistan Navy's spread closer to other countries including the Strait of Homez on one side and on the other side, a couple of hundred miles parallel to the Mumbai port (Karachi to Mumbai flight is also less then 2 hours on sub sonic commercial planes). So that entire blockade discussion is history. Now PN needs more ships and subs to keep them spread out to 350-400 miles off the coast of Pakistan.

I'd even suggest doing what the Chinese did. Inside your EEZ, build a couple of Islands and airstrips and all. That way, you'll have secondary basis away from Pakistan, allowing her to monitor her EEZ. Once 2020 starts and majority of the projects inflght go live, you'll see the PAF and the PN transforming to much stronger forces, both in size and capability. PN over the next ten years, will gain close to double its current size. While the PAF will induct over 350 4th gen+ and 5th gen fighters. Just a few more years away!!!