Pakistan is America's front line ally in killing Afghan Muslims,Lt.Gen Shahid Aziz

[RoadRunner401]

Allah forgive us.
I guess the history does not begin AFTER Pakistan started hosting Afghan refugees.
How long will we keep on repeating our side of the story ?
Here is what Lt.Gen Shahid Aziz has to say regarding Pakistan's blunders w.r.t Afghanistan.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=874069666071310&id=100004048537108


p.s I think it would be shameful if we start hurling insults at the General for coming out clean instead of introspecting what Pak Army has been doing.

He didn't want action against Terrorist in FATA, because targeting terrorist within FATA is targeting "our own kids'' his words not mine.

His words explain why GHQ was asleep, when Pakistan was burning with Terrorist attacks, him and like minded generals wanted no action ''against their kids" couldn't care less, what was happening on the streets of the country they were getting paid to protect? He should be charged with the Murder of 50,000 or so Pakistanis that died because of terrorist attacks under his watch. What exactly are you @Alpha BeeTee trying to say that this man is somehow sane and we should listen to his garbage.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

So Pakistan is supporting afghan taliban. How? Prove it. Pakistan didn't prostrate in front of anyone. It just joined the international community against terrorism. As for double games. You think Americans are completely dumb and they wouldn't have understood our double games? And what if USA would have imposed economic and military sanctions in response to our "double games". What if UN would have declared Pakistan a terrorist state?

You think those stupid double games would have saved us? Bhai stop living in dreams. Americans are clever enough to understand any double game. They are just blaming us for their failure in Afghanistan. Nobody wants to accept that he failed. Same goes for USA. It failed to build a stable country in Afghanistan and it wants a scapegoat. And Pakistan is perfect option for that.

What Pakistan did post 9/11 was the most suitable thing to do. Generals like Shahid Aziz are a disgrace to this country. You should stop following them.

To the 'world',we are still supporting Afghan Talis.

Kia patt lia hai America nay ronay kay siwa ?

When we had to explode the atom bomb,we didn't two hoots about sanctions or what UN had to say,but when it came to saying yes sir when US landed in Afghanistan,we were the first to do so.

Do you think Allah will let us thrive in peace and security when we conciously aided in the genocide in our neighborhood ? Dont be mistaken bhaijan.

Mazloom chahey,Pakistani ho ya Afghani,bad dua us ki lagti hai.

We have already been punished by Allah for our crimes in Afg...60,000 innocent Pakistanis have killed after we decided to support the US in Afg and we thought that we made a 'wise' decision and saved ourselves and 'Pakistan First' and what not.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

He didn't want action against Terrorist in FATA, because targeting terrorist within FATA is targeting "our own kids'' his words not mine.

His words explain why GHQ was asleep, when Pakistan was burning with Terrorist attacks, him and like minded generals wanted no action ''against their kids" couldn't care less, what was happening on the streets of the country they were getting paid to protect? He should be charged with the Murder of 50,000 or so Pakistanis that died because of terrorist attacks under his watch. What exactly are you @Alpha BeeTee trying to say that this man is somehow sane and we should listen to his garbage.

You have clearly missed the whole point.
Don't blame this General alone.The whole nation was divided and confused regarding action against TTP until the day of APS Pesh attack after which a consensus was achieved.
TTP isn't even the point of debate.What was done in Afg with our involvent and approval is what's being discussed.

 

[RoadRunner401]

all if & but aside, Afghans know very well that Pakistan almost never actually assist them and look upon Afghanistan as a would be vassal state. A sterling example of this is when Pakistan just shut off all supplies to Afghanistan with essential goods left rotting on thousands of trucks. No wonder Afghans have come to view Pakistan as a blackmailing neighbor who does everything to exploit their landlocked status to extract maximum profits.And the means which Pakistan employs for such usury are not merely commercial or above board.

How can Pakistan expect Afghans to have anything to do with them when both their ends and means are wrong.

We have every right to shut our border with Afghanistan as Indian allied Afghans were firing at our border guard and killed army major, India on the other hand closed her border with Nepal to force constitutional change, so I suggest get of your high horse and take a walk.

 

[RoadRunner401]

You have clearly missed the whole point.
Don't blame this General alone.The whole nation was divided and confused regarding action against TTP until the day of APS Pesh attack after which a consensus was achieved.
TTP isn't even the point of debate.What was done in Afg with our involvement and approval is what's being discussed.

less then 2% of the population votes for religious parties in Pakistan, few extremist Mullahs and their general buddies don't count as whole Nation, this guy is upset at Musharraf for taking action against Terrorist and is trying to turn his support for terrorist some how patriotic action.

TTP isn't even the point of debate.What was done in AFG with our involvement and approval is what's being discussed.

It was done during his time at the GHQ shouldn't he answer that question?

 

[mourning sage]

Allah forgive us.
I guess the history does not begin AFTER Pakistan started hosting Afghan refugees.
How long will we keep on repeating our side of the story ?
Here is what Lt.Gen Shahid Aziz has to say regarding Pakistan's blunders w.r.t Afghanistan.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=874069666071310&id=100004048537108


p.s I think it would be shameful if we start hurling insults at the General for coming out clean instead of introspecting what Pak Army has been doing.

For a better part of a decade, i too believed that Pakistan has committed this atrocity. The guy is entitled to his opinion, but we did what we did to survive. It was a perfect diplomatic move. we allowed Americans to use our bases while we continue to provide resources to the Taliban to dispose of our new allies in the form of Americans.

So, the US might have used our bases but we fought standing in the front line with these Afghans, and we beat up the super power pretty badly too. History repeated itself, only that this time, the Americans were in the opposite camp and they didnt even realize that until it was too late.

where we went wrong was we couldnt display our support for the Afghans to the Afghan people themselves and India filled in that gap

 

[Maler]

To the 'world',we are still supporting Afghan Talis.

Kia patt lia hai America nay ronay kay siwa ?

When we had to explode the atom bomb,we didn't two hoots about sanctions or what UN had to say,but when it came to saying yes sir when US landed in Afghanistan,we were the first to do so.

Do you think Allah will let us thrive in peace and security when we conciously aided in the genocide in our neighborhood ? Dont be mistaken bhaijan.

Mazloom chahey,Pakistani ho ya Afghani,bad dua us ki lagti hai.

We have already been punished by Allah for our crimes in Afg...60,000 innocent Pakistanis have killed after we decided to support the US in Afg and we thought that we made a 'wise' decision and saved ourselves and 'Pakistan First' and what not.

Hizbutt Tahrir alert!!!!!!!

 

[Joe Shearer]

An afghan Muslim has recently killed our major of Pakistan Army.

Clearly no true Muslim. No true Muslim would do such a thing.

our actions against them also had "reasons"...so lets not go down that path....if you want to feel miserable about it then go ahead but dont expect everyone else to share your concerns regarding this "musllim killing muslims" horse crap....btw when has an afghan or a bangali ever reminisced about their hostilities towards us? time to astop feeling sorry for backstabbers

Have you noticed that the people back-stabbing you are growing in numbers? I should worry, if I were you.

This is all crap.

In a war one don't see whether the other one is muslim or anyone else.
Secondly, did Afghanistan remembered Pakistan assistance to them in Soviet War when firing at Pakistan Border?
Did Afghanistan remembered those 3.5 million refugees whom Pakistan is bearing when firing at Pakistan Border?

Afghanistan is a namak haram nation and we shall go for a aggressive policy with them and kill TTP chief group in afghanistan.

As far as kargil war is concerned everyone know we won. Everyone remembers "Gen Kishan Pal" (a lieutenant gen of kargil by India) accepted Indian defeat. We remember Indian Army Chief VK singh accepted and praised musharraf bravery. Gen VK singh openly accepted that Musharraf crossed LOC and entered in India before kargil war and we couldn't stop him and he (musharraf) spent a night in Indian Occupied kashmir.
It was accepted by India that Point 5353 (previously controlled by India) was captured by Pak during kargil and is still under Pakistan control even after 16 years of war and despite repetitive adventures India couldn't took it from Pakistan.

The return of the numskull.

 

[dadeechi]

That shows how divided even the Officer Corps of Pakistan Army is when it comes to the war against TTP, this general can be described as soft compared to the hardcore supporter of TTP General Hamid Gul. There many more ex-generals which dont support the Role of Pakistan Army against TTP.

There is NO divide within Military. Ex-Officers could afford to openly support while serving officers cannot as they are dealing with foreign powers and policy. So for political correctness, official stance of serving officers would be different than the actual action on the ground.

 

[R Wing]

Civilian casualties of drone strikes are inevitable, as long as TTP hides among civilians.
What is unacceptable is attacking a civilian house, when You are aware that there are
no militants present and it is not used for military purposes.

I disagree with your thinking. I believe knowingly targeting a militant when he/she is surrounded by civilians is morally questionable --- but "right" and "wrong" are relative and are matters of faith and/or legality, which differ from person to person and country to country. So let's agree to disagree

 

[Areesh]

To the 'world',we are still supporting Afghan Talis.

Kia patt lia hai America nay ronay kay siwa ?

Oh bhai get of your lalaland. America can do a lot. They are not doing anything because they know these are all accusations. They are just trying to blame others for their failure in Afghanistan.

When we had to explode the atom bomb,we didn't two hoots about sanctions or what UN had to say,but when it came to saying yes sir when US landed in Afghanistan,we were the first to do so.

we did nuclear tests because India did so. No tests by India then there wouldn't be any test by Pakistan either. While west opposed Pakistan muslim countries like Saudi Arabia supported us at that time. After 9/11 nobody would have stood with Pakistan. Not even Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Do you think Allah will let us thrive in peace and security when we conciously aided in the genocide in our neighborhood ? Dont be mistaken bhaijan.

I am not mistaken bhai jan. I know Islam very well. Afghanistan should have given OBL to America and everything would be fine. They declined to do so despite Pakistan;s advise. By not siding with Afghanistan we managed to save us from becoming Afghanistan number 2. I am happy with that. You should be happy instead of dreaming about double games and all that.

Mazloom chahey,Pakistani ho ya Afghani,bad dua us ki lagti hai.

To Amreeka kab tabah ho raha hai? 9/11 main marnai walon ki bad dua lag gayi Afghanion ko.

We have already been punished by Allah for our crimes in Afg...60,000 innocent Pakistanis have killed after we decided to support the US in Afg and we thought that we made a 'wise' decision and saved ourselves and 'Pakistan First' and what not.

60000 also includes terrorists who joined TTP with the filth that you are trying to propagate here. They fought against Pakistan because they had more love for Afghanistan than Pakistan. Just like you.

We definitely made the right decision. At least my cities are thriving and are not getting bombed daily like Baghdad. I am happy with it. It seems like you want to convert Karachi and Lahore into Kandahar and Jalalabad. We avoided that with that decision.

 

[Mentee]

A general's primary and absolute duty is to serve his country's interests, not his sectarian biases

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To the 'world',we are still supporting Afghan Talis.

Kia patt lia hai America nay ronay kay siwa ?

When we had to explode the atom bomb,we didn't two hoots about sanctions or what UN had to say,but when it came to saying yes sir when US landed in Afghanistan,we were the first to do so.

Do you think Allah will let us thrive in peace and security when we conciously aided in the genocide in our neighborhood ? Dont be mistaken bhaijan.

Mazloom chahey,Pakistani ho ya Afghani,bad dua us ki lagti hai.

We have already been punished by Allah for our crimes in Afg...60,000 innocent Pakistanis have killed after we decided to support the US in Afg and we thought that we made a 'wise' decision and saved ourselves and 'Pakistan First' and what not.

Our neighbor should have sorted it out in the first place, not to fuc-k around with other countries apart from us---- they saw it coming and still gave refuge to a known terrorist obl---when your brother starts pinching the sole zalim jageerdar for no reason you would try to put some sense into his brain but even then if he doesn't seems to be giving a fuc-k about you ---you simply abandon him
Afghans hmaray mamay k munday nahe hain

 

[HAIDER]

Allah forgive us.
I guess the history does not begin AFTER Pakistan started hosting Afghan refugees.
How long will we keep on repeating our side of the story ?
Here is what Lt.Gen Shahid Aziz has to say regarding Pakistan's blunders w.r.t Afghanistan.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=874069666071310&id=100004048537108


p.s I think it would be shameful if we start hurling insults at the General for coming out clean instead of introspecting what Pak Army has been doing.

Recently he join " tabligi jamat " ....you can expect anything from him....

 

[Mrc]

the animals this general is whining about, have just exploded a suicide bomber near al nabwi mosque in madina....

such supporters of radicalism should be skinned alive with their puppies

 

[Counterpunch]

I wouldn't bother going through whatever he has to say and nor am I rejecting if he disclosed any (truthful) insider information

What I do not like is the way the Ex-General or Ex-PMs all suddenly get bouts of sanity and get a pair grown at the appropriate place the moment they feel their pomp and show is all but over and they are going into oblivion very soon.
Were they not man enough when they were in power?

Secondly , Pakistan seriously needs de-classification act so that all the statements, discussions, decisions could be analysed and declassified after a certain period of time for learning and improvement purpose. It will also act as a deterrent for those in power to know that soon their actions, statements and decisions will be declassified and presented to the whole nation to see.