Pakistan is America's front line ally in killing Afghan Muslims,Lt.Gen Shahid Aziz

[Alpha BeeTee]

our actions against them also had "reasons"...so lets not go down that path....if you want to feel miserable about it then go ahead but dont expect everyone else to share your concerns regarding this "musllim killing muslims" horse crap....btw when has an afghan or a bangali ever reminisced about their hostilities towards us? time to astop feeling sorry for backstabbers

Afghans have reciprocated our violence in form of TTP and romance with India.
Bangladesh aint the agenda in this thread.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Good enough reason to bomb millions of Afghan civilians to oblivion eh ?

Lol millions is exaggerating. I don't support what Musharraf's methods post 9/11 but I still believe he was working in the interest of Pakistan the entire time. Kunduz air lift is one such example. His methods were critical yes but his intentions were for Pakistan. But this doesn't give the Afghans an excuse to stop Pakistan from building a fence on its own side and to start working with the Indians to destabilise Pakistan.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Lol millions is exaggerating. I don't support what Musharraf did post 9/11 but I still believe he was working in the interest of Pakistan the entire time. Kunduz air lift is one such example. His methods were critical yes but his intentions were for Pakistan. But this doesn't give the Afghans an excuse to stop Pakistan from building a fence on its own side and to start working with the Indians to destabilise Pakistan.

Millions is just methaphorical.
Like I said,a crime is a crime,a genocide is a genocide,a murder is a murder even if it is comitted in the name of 'Pakistan first' or 'US first'.
Today we are yielding the fruits of this 'Pakistan first' in the shape of TTP and Afghan hostility.
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And we all agree that Afghans are no innocent.That is not even debateable.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Millions is just methaphorical.
Like I said,a crime is a crime,a genocide is a genocide,a murder is a murder even if it is comitted in the name of 'Pakistan first' or 'US first'.
Today we are yielding the fruits of this 'Pakistan first' in the shape of TTP and Afghan hostility.
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And we all agree that Afghans are no innocent.That is not even debateable.

The ends justify the means. Pakistan is recovering. There was no other way for this to happen. Pakistan was in no position to refuse the US at the time. I could only imagine the stress the army was in and especially the COAS.

 

[GR!FF!N]

I've one single question..How come Pakistan always finds themselves as cannon fodder??Be it USA,KSA or China..or some other countries where they sent their army to fight other's war,how cheap it is to send army to fight other's war?Is it profitable?Doesn't look like it.

 

[544_delta]

No 'reason' on our part was enough a justification to tag team with the US in sending Afg back to the stone age so that Pakistan could have avoided the same fate.
And if 'muslims killing muslims' is horse crap to you then congratulations.Everybody has not gone that senseless and hard hearted.

what Pakistan did, it did for its own security like all the nations do....what were we supposed to do? support a known terrorist regime against the unified power of west? for what? afghans have never been friendly to us.... and yes "muslims killing muslims" to me is a dead horse that the ttp,al qaeda, daesh and their likes love to beat when they are getting their collective asses kicked to hell and back....and why is it that they dont mind blowing up fellow muslims in schools, bazars etc but when those muslims retaliate they try to emotionally blackmail using the "muslims vs muslim" bull****....i aint sorry for refusing to share your delusions.....

The ends justify the means. Pakistan is recovering. There was no other way for this to happen. Pakistan was in no position to refuse the US at the time. I could only imagine the stress the army was in and especially the COAS.

exactly....it was do or die for Pakistan so sorry if we screwed over a terrorist regime for our national interest.....we'll be happy to do it again if need be

I've one single question..How come Pakistan always finds themselves as cannon fodder??Be it USA,KSA or China..or some other countries where they sent their army to fight other's war,how cheap it is to send army to fight other's war?Is it profitable?Doesn't look like it.

im sorry but when has Pak Army been to vietnam, yemen,iraq, tibet etc?

 

[-xXx-]

It was all the quest to control Afghanistan and Pakistan was an equal partner with US in this. Though now they may want to distance themselves from all past but it will always be taken as marriage gone wrong under unfavorable circumstances.

If US is guilty of killing innocent Afghani then the food to feed those killers come from Pakistan. The Pakistan has always been there host.

 

[Hamza913]

I've one single question..How come Pakistan always finds themselves as cannon fodder??Be it USA,KSA or China..or some other countries where they sent their army to fight other's war,how cheap it is to send army to fight other's war?Is it profitable?Doesn't look like it.

When have we been used as KSA cannon fodder? They asked us to go to Yemen, we said no. As for China, they haven't asked us even once, nor will they ever need to. The USA does it becasue they can't handle Afghanistan so they need someone else to tackle the issue, but we aren't that thick. Your entire post is based off of false assumptions.

 

[GR!FF!N]

im sorry but when has Pak Army been to vietnam, yemen,iraq, tibet etc?

Pakistan Army fought in Yom Kippur War,a war that has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Pakistan supported and assisted Bosnia.

Pakistan provided its soldiers to KSA during 1st Gulf war and fought against Iraq.Also, they deployed SSG during Grand Mosque Attack.

Lets not mention Afghanistan,India and Iran.

When have we been used as KSA cannon fodder? They asked us to go to Yemen, we said no. As for China, they haven't asked us even once, nor will they ever need to. The USA does it becasue they can't handle Afghanistan so they need someone else to tackle the issue, but we aren't that thick. Your entire post is based off of false assumptions.

Really???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Armed_Forces_deployments#During_active_conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
Also during 1991 as mentioned.

 

[544_delta]

Pakistan Army fought in Yom Kippur War,a war that has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Pakistan supported and assisted Bosnia.

Pakistan provided its soldiers to KSA during 1st Gulf war and fought against Iraq.Also, they deployed SSG during Grand Mosque Attack.

Lets not mention Afghanistan,India and Iran.



Really???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Armed_Forces_deployments#During_active_conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
Also during 1991 as mentioned.

so cooperation in a low intensity conflict and supply of arms to countries we had prior agreements with is akin to being cannon fodder?

 

[Hamza913]

Pakistan Army fought in Yom Kippur War,a war that has nothing to do with Pakistan.

Pakistan supported and assisted Bosnia.

Pakistan provided its soldiers to KSA during 1st Gulf war and fought against Iraq.Also, they deployed SSG during Grand Mosque Attack.

Lets not mention Afghanistan,India and Iran.



Really???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Armed_Forces_deployments#During_active_conflicts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
Also during 1991 as mentioned.

1. Wikipedia isn't a reliable source.
2. Most of those deployments are just to deter enemies of our allies, and ensure our allies remain well defended. Hardly makes us cannon fodder.
3. Getting experience is always useful.
4. The Grand Masjid seizure only involved French and Pakistani troops because the Saudi military is incompetent.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

That shows how divided even the Officer Corps of Pakistan Army is when it comes to the war against TTP, this general can be described as soft compared to the hardcore supporter of TTP General Hamid Gul. There many more ex-generals which dont support the Role of Pakistan Army against TTP.

Here one more blast from the past !

Gen. Shahid Aziz Exposes The Truth About Kargil War And Pervez Musharraf's Blatant Lies


In this program Islamabad Tonight (1st February 2013) Gen. Shahid Aziz, who was Director General (Analysis) of ISI at the time of Kargil War exposes Pervez Musharraf's short-sighted strategy of Kargil War, how Pakistan lost badly, how it didn't even claim the bodies of its soldiers and also manipulative attitude of Pervez Musharraf during the War On Terror post 9/11. Very interesting discussion. The video is full with no edits.

That shows how divided even the Officer Corps of Pakistan Army is when it comes to the war against TTP,

On TTP all are on same page and on Afghan Talibans they are divided

 

[Areesh]

No 'reason' on our part was enough a justification to tag team with the US in sending Afg back to the stone age so that Pakistan could have avoided the same fate.
And if 'muslims killing muslims' is horse crap to you then congratulations.Everybody has not gone that senseless and hard hearted.

So Pakistan should have stood with Afghanistan while all the countries including all the muslim countries were standing with America. Is this what you want to say?

 

[-xXx-]

So Pakistan should have stood with Afghanistan while all the countries including all the muslim countries were standing with America. Is this what you want to say?

That's perfectly fair if you took a "wise" decision and not a "principled" one if that was the necessity for your survival.

But then no point in making it look like a principled one when the Lt General is calling spade a spade.

 

[Areesh]

That's perfectly fair if you took a "wise" decision and not a "principled" one if that was the necessity for your survival.

But then no point in making it look like a principled one when the Lt General is calling spade a spade.

It is as per your national interests then it is the "principled" decision.