Pakistan involved in the J-10B research and development.

[MastanKhan]

sometimes I say that to myself, too. Some of the information I read here, rumors and tid-bits and indulging of info esp. under Indian taunts seems too sensitive for a place like this.

These guys gotta be careful revealing such information on an open public forum. So what if your opponent get to savor the moment on the internet by claiming, "you dont have this or you can't do that" you know what you have and you know what you can do, keep them ignorant and keep your knowledge to yourself, that is your real victory.

Hi,

The issue could be---what if the person on the other end is the 'REAL McCOY' and playing you---and dropping a lure to bait you in---and then some one makes a mad dash and snags onto the hook----. There is so much small information being given out that it gets concerning-----because small bits of information about little things are very difficult to come by and agency-----.

And sometimes, some very very senior members with a lots of experience indulge in information that need not be relayed as first hand information 'out of the horses mouth'-----. Let the information come and then talk about it.

 

[Luftwaffe]

And sometimes, some very very senior members with a lots of experience indulge in information that need not be relayed as first hand information 'out of the horses mouth'-----. Let the information come and then talk about it.

In simple terms, old habits die hard. All important critical bit and pieces of critical data/information must be removed promptly by moderators I suggest.

There are couple of them, when general questions asked they take a different route due to personal preferences looking down upon some members, noticed that. And information that is critical and need not be released they proudly release it for a mere profit of more ThankYous.

 

[tvsram1992]

PAF has a lot of experience with Western fighters like block52+ while China has a lot of experience with Russian aircrafts like su-30mkm.There are certain things Russians are best at while certain things US is best at so both can share there experiences in order to provide the input of positivities both origins of aircraft had resulting into new breed .

If pakistan can get a lot of experience from F-16's and China has experience from Russian flankers you must agree that India can make a much better aircraft than J-10b, according to your view, since it has not only experience but also a very great amount of technology transfer from French and Russians. Also we get source codes transfer from Israel .

Sir,
I had a straight question for you , what technology did pakistan had contributed from F-16 to J-10B?
And how can US be calm if it had happened really?
Any one please answer the above question and throw some light.

 

[SQ8]

If pakistan can get a lot of experience from F-16's and China has experience from Russian flankers you must agree that India can make a much better aircraft than J-10b, according to your view, since it has not only experience but also a very great amount of technology transfer from French and Russians. Also we get source codes transfer from Israel .

Sir,
I had a straight question for you , what technology did pakistan had contributed from F-16 to J-10B?
And how can US be calm if it had happened really?
Any one please answer the above question and throw some light.

When Israel bought their first F-16s, they sent a large group of engineers to America for "training" so they could better understand how to maintain their new airplanes. They immediately went home and began to develop the Lavi with US money and with their new knowledge. The program was later cancelled under US pressure, but the technology and engineering assistance were later sold to China.
Whatever gaps the Chinese had left.. they looked to Pakistan..
Moreover.. the new concepts in Man-Machine interface were all brought forward by discussions with PAF pilots.
One doesnt actually have to build something to contribute..
A circuit board may be designed in Pakistan .. but manufactured in China.
Even now.. a very important part of China's new battlefield electronic setup is being designed in Pakistan.. but will be manufactured in China.

 

[tvsram1992]

jft is a mig19 clone
No
jft is a mig21 clone
Never
jft has no pak input
Its a joint venture with more chinese contribution
j10a is so high tech that it wont be exported
It is not so high tech and it can be exported
paf has no expertese for j10a
Why not PAF can very well have access to chinese products
paf will never get j10b
PAF will get J-10b for sure since they are better than LWF JF-17
j10b is inferior to mki/rafale etc
Of course
j10b has pathetic thrust
J10-B are very well powered
j10b's rcs is not under 1
I dont know that
pak kamra only overhauls old fighters
No they can handle 4th generation fighters very well and all the best for 5g Jf-17 variant
pac kamra doesnt have any labs
It has very well structured labs developed from Chinese help
we need sources as pictures are photoshopped
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...-photoshop-experts-jf-17-wallpapers.html:lol:
we dont believe prfessionals on the forum as sources
We do believe but expect the same
jft partnership is just like su30 partnership
Yes indeed but Su30 got best inputs from Israel,French and Russia
f16 blk52 has no room in future wars
F-16 is one of the best fighters ever and they are frontline fighters for PAF unless there are issues with spares. F-16 can threaten mki by the way
you only have 18 blk52s and all other f16s are of the 80s
Other planes will be upgraded
our lca m2 can easily take on jft blk1 even if it hasent been made yet
Because we get best inputs LCA 1 can be compared it Jf-17 in war but Jf-17 is cost effective, easy to maintain,already operational. By the Mk2 is answer for J-10B
Didnt some members mention J20 can counter F22 before it was made?
jf17 is not comparable to grippen c/d and f16 blk40 in terms of general capability
Jf17 is LWF with limited range and strike capabilities than the latter. F-16 and Gripen are heavy (i think so)
jft is a point defence fighter
It exactly meets primary requirements of PAF

air refuellers and awacs play an important power projection role for iaf , however in case of paf they are not worthy of mentioning
Because India has a larger territory and our awacs can hide from PAF and we have ~400km range a2a missile

in the next 5 years all paf fighters will be upgraded from 2nd generation to 4/4.5 generation -- however still they wont stand a chance of inflicting any damage with there stand off weapons

All the best for your future aircrafts

 

[tvsram1992]

When Israel bought their first F-16s, they sent a large group of engineers to America for "training" so they could better understand how to maintain their new airplanes. They immediately went home and began to develop the Lavi with US money and with their new knowledge. The program was later cancelled under US pressure, but the technology and engineering assistance were later sold to China.
Whatever gaps the Chinese had left.. they looked to Pakistan..
Moreover.. the new concepts in Man-Machine interface were all brought forward by discussions with PAF pilots.
One doesnt actually have to build something to contribute..
A circuit board may be designed in Pakistan .. but manufactured in China.
Even now.. a very important part of China's new battlefield electronic setup is being designed in Pakistan.. but will be manufactured in China.

U are saying f-16->Lavi->J-10
But did pakistan got trained as equally as israelis?

 

[SQ8]

U are saying f-16->Lavi->J-10
But did pakistan got trained as equally as israelis?

NO

I am saying

F-16->Israeli's --> knowledge--> J-10
F-16->Pakistani's--> knowledge-->J-10

It doesnt matter on whether Pakistan was trained as much as the Israeli's.
What does matter is that we were familiar with the F-16 and the new ideas involved in it.
Moreover.. we had experience on all that was good in the F-16... we passed on all that we thought was good about it which every other fighter should have.

Call it setting a benchmark.

 

[tvsram1992]

NO

I am saying

F-16->Israeli's --> knowledge--> J-10
F-16->Pakistani's--> knowledge-->J-10

It doesnt matter on whether Pakistan was trained as much as the Israeli's.
What does matter is that we were familiar with the F-16 and the new ideas involved in it.
Moreover.. we had experience on all that was good in the F-16... we passed on all that we thought was good about it which every other fighter should have.

Call it setting a benchmark.

Its better to say experience rather.
What u say?

 

[Zabaniyah]

The F-16 and J-10 look sooo similar

 

[tvsram1992]

The F-16 and J-10 look sooo similar

There might be similarity b/w lavi in looking but J-10 is very much advanced , but F-16's are much better, what made pakistan to go for Jf-17 and J-10B is lack of US support in maintenance and spares and J-10 has tag made in china with some tot.

 

[Zabaniyah]

There might be similarity b/w lavi in looking but J-10 is very much advanced , but F-16's are much better, what made pakistan to go for Jf-17 and J-10B is lack of US support in maintenance and spares and J-10 has tag made in china with some tot.

Of-course, the US-made F-16 is superior and more proven. Maybe the Lavi was a cheap copy of the F-16

 

[SQ8]

Its better to say experience rather.
What u say?

Yes.. and in addition.
The Chinese learned a lot because of the PAF F-16.
When the PLAAF Chief in the early eighties visited Pakistan ..he was shown the new F-16's in Sargodha with the US maintainers present.. immediately once in the cockpit the Chinese general used his thumb and index to start measuring the HUD...which caused a lot of raised eyebrows with the American's stationed there to train Pakistanis.
This story is fairly known.. and there are other instances where the Chinese have snuck a peek at western equipment in use with the PAF and taken our ideas on it. Which is why the Americans insisted we base the new block 52's as far away from any Chinese as possible.

 

[tvsram1992]

Of-course, the US-made F-16 is superior and more proven. Maybe the Lavi was a cheap copy of the F-16

And US was scared Lavi would effect F-16 exports, so denied Lavi program that made israel-china friendship and israel supplied UAV's to china.

 

[Windjammer]

And US was scared Lavi would effect F-16 exports, so denied Lavi program that made israel-china friendship and israel supplied UAV's to china.

Actually the Lavi project was proving very expensive for Israel and after delays, it was shelved.

 

[Avatar]

Pakistan should encourage more ingeniousness development in military aviation. It saddens me to see so much talent getting wasted.