Pakistan invites Turkey to join $64 billion mega project

[Verve]

Iran left ... Pakistan to Turkey is less than a day drive through Iran.

 

[GumNaam]

Iran left ... Pakistan to Turkey is less than a day drive through Iran.

iran needs to #1 ditch india, #2 stop meddling in the neighboring saudi arabia, yemen and everywhere else, #3 give up the the pursuit of their extinct racial supremacy in disguise of religious sectarianism and #4 GROW A FREAKIN' BACKBONE!

phir iran say baat ho gi.

 

[Verve]

iran needs to #1 ditch india, #2 stop meddling in the neighboring saudi arabia, yemen and everywhere else and #3 give up the the pursuit of their extinct racial supremacy in disguise of religious sectarianism.

phir iran say baat ho gi.

Iran can trade with whomever they like, as long as they don't harbour Indian terrorists.

And Iran can meddle in whomsoever's affairs as long as they don't meddle in ours.

 

[GumNaam]

Iran can trade with whomever they like, as long as they don't harbour Indian terrorists.

And Iran can meddle in whomsoever's affairs as long as they don't meddle in ours.

And stop giving route to india. iran should use her and ditch her.

 

[insight-out]

Type in bomba atar kazigi by Pakistan, try the electricity crises with the Turkish companies.

None of our recent weapon deals have been paid for, all on loan, total rip offs because people like you have this “dost ulke amk” attitude. It seems Turkey Pakistan relationship is based on Turkish charity.

Yes they would sell us out for China and KSA look around the forum and recent threads about Uighurs etc.

Don’t BS me that Turkey would gain anything from this investment outside of a “dost kazigi”.



What is the return on my investment is a stupid question? You obviously have no clue in finance.

It has a lot of bearing, where Turkish and Chinese / KSA interests collide and Pakistan has to choose a side, who will they choose.

You seem to have a limited understanding of the concept of realpolitik. Turkey has diplomatic relations with Israel, while Pakistan does not. Turkey is a member of Nato and a strong ally of the US, while Pakistan's relationship with the US is opportunistic at best. Turkey has a close trade relationship with India, while Pakistan has fought three wars with them.

Now let's look at the other side. Pakistan is one of China's strongest allies, while Turkey has a complicated relationship with them because of their Turkic population. Pakistan is closely allied with KSA, while Turkey has an adversarial relationship with them. Pakistan has a burgeoning relationship with Russia, while Turkey sees them as rivals.

And yet, Pakistan and Turkey are allies. They offer diplomatic support to each other on Cyprus and Kashmir. They have a historical link that dates back to the Ottomans, and farther back to the Mughals. They are both Sunni majority countries who are regional powers. And they do not see each other as rivals or enemies just because they have diverging interests or because they have different allies.

That is how world politics works. Even with the same country, you can engage, support and criticize. Does Turkey not trade with China or Russia? Did Pakistan not decline sending their troops to KSA for the Yemen war?

The point is, if there is an opportunity to trade or do business, you do it. Pakistan is not asking Turkey for a handout. Pakistan is inviting Turkey to invest. Investment by its very definition entails a return. If the venture does not appear to be profitable, don't invest.

Now to your last question. If Turkish and Chinese/KSA interests collide, Pakistan will (and does) make a decision that is in its own interest. And it will not necessarily damage our relationship with one or the other.

Zorlu and Vestel are both two companies already investing in Pakistan. I dont see why Turkish construction companies should not be involved in the Economic corridor.

I can also think of Arcelik and more recently, Hayat Kimya

 

[Verve]

And stop giving route to india. iran should use her and ditch her.

China trades with India.

Iran was with us in 65. And Iran will be with us in the final war with India.

As long as Iran doesn't interfere in our matters, we should have no issues with them trading with whomever.

Uzair Baloch should be a reminder to Iran and Yadev. I think they will not interfere anymore.

 

[GumNaam]

China trades with India.

Iran was with us in 65. And Iran will be with us in the final war with India.

As long as Iran doesn't interfere in our matters, we should have no issues with them trading with whomever.

Uzair Baloch should be a reminder to Iran and Yadev. I think they will not interfere anymore.

I didn't say anything about trade. Im talking snot getting cozy with them and as you said harboring their terrorists and also becoming their strategic ally.

 

[royalharris]

Pakistan just provide a good investment opportunity to its friend nation like turkey

The investment will benefit both pakistan and turkey，deepen their relationship.
Now the relationship is mainly on diplomatic level，provide some verbal support to each other，it is meanless.

Turkey is a rich NATO muslim country，why not join in to invest in its second home？

China（non-muslim country），64B
KSA，6B
Turkey ，should at least 10B

Help pakistan together

 

[BRAVO_]

personally i have observed if there are two countries upon which pakistani people have a blind trust then those are China and Turkey. incase of Turkey our national language of pakistan "Urdu" is named by Turks, Pakistani flag is one of the flag of two flags of otman empire one is red ... which turkey flag .. one is green which is pakistani flag

both are sunni dominant countries and list goes on ... if Pak Turk relations survived through centuries... i am sure both will survive through current economic crises too .. so no worry chill

 

[royalharris]

To be honest, we are concerned when people say pakistan drop in communism china debt trap, especially from pakistan people's mouth

Pakistan should diversify its loans and investment,just like its military purchase
Islam country,especially the rich islam country like KSA\Turkey, should contribute more to its brothers of pakistan

Talk is cheap, money is real
with the help from all of us , make pakistan better

 

[TaiShang]

no Turkish money should be spent to strengthen China, not even indirectly.

But you got loan from China and will pay it back with interest. That's DIRECTLY making China stronger.

Pakistan is the shortest sea route for Turkey to China for full fledged container trade. Pakistan can also provide Turkey with an overland transit to India.

Soon there will be Myanmar (a bit further), as well, as the port agreement has been signed and the associated rail and highway routes will be quickly built.

That will provide another short route to China for import and export.

In my opinion, CPEC and CMEC will complement each other.

CPEC will serve Western China while CMEC will serve Souther China.

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53

Forumda PKK'lı var, farkında mısınız?

Quote the name of suspected member please.

 

[TaiShang]

Aren't China already invested or gave loan to all of power road bridge and port development then where is the chances turkey have in Joining CPEC.

In terms of infra build-up, Turkey has no chance, for sure. There is no reason why Pakistan or China companies would share the profit with Turkey. Besides, Turkey's expertise in massive build-up is not impressive or needed; both Pakistan and China themselves can source all the technology and expertise.

If China can build world's most challenging railways and bridges, it can easily build road and rail links over a relatively comfortable land-form.

It has a lot of bearing, where Turkish and Chinese / KSA interests collide and Pakistan has to choose a side, who will they choose.

Pakistan will choose its own side. They will naturally care about their own people first. As it should be. And then, they will try to find the optimum win-win standard. I guess Turkey has no such pragmatism, everything is about race and religion. To be able to become a meaningful part of the CPEC, or any other project for that matter, you first need to learn to act as a state, not as a loose cultural entity.

 

[royalharris]

In terms of infra build-up, Turkey has no chance, for sure. There is no reason why Pakistan or China companies would share the profit with Turkey. Besides, Turkey's expertise in massive build-up is not impressive or needed; both Pakistan and China themselves can source all the technology and expertise.

If China can build world's most challenging railways and bridges, it can easily build road and rail links over a relatively comfortable land-form.



Pakistan will choose its own side. They will naturally care about their won people first. As it should be. And then, they will try to find the optimum win-win standard. I guess Turkey has no such pragmatism, everything is about race and religion. To be able to become a meaningful part of the CPEC, or any other project for that matter, you first need to learn to act as a state, not as a loose cultural entity.

Hurt too much, unneccesary

 

[TaiShang]

Apparently, Chinese ''enlargement '' policy does intentionally not involve Turkey

True, Belt and Road still does not factor Turkey in any of the major deals. Lots of diplomatic words but little action. That's surprising but understandable.

Pakistan is an accepted regional power, we will choose our own side, just like every mature state does.

There are a lot of areas where the US, Chinese, Saudi, Iranian interests collide but Pakistan remains unaffected. We maintain good ties with all of them. That's called Realpolitik.

That's refreshing to read, really

If you look at this map below , you would know Turkey is a key part of the bigger plan. So invitation was imminent although I expected it to be extended at a little later into the project. But sooner the better!

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That map is not official (There is no official map, for that matter). So far, there has been no BRI route going through Turkey.