Pakistan interested in buying 30-40 J-31s

[Bindas]

A fifth gen aircraft even if made by china will not cost less than 75 to 100 million dollars. Till they get a economy of scale. Maybe even after that it might cost that much.

A 1000 FC31 highly unlikely as per current scenario. So much time between protype nor is there any hurry to get it production. So as of now i dont think that china is thinking of 1000 FC31. No ways.

But yes if FC31 out does itself who knows.

The cost of FC31 depends on how many PLAAF and PLAN want to induct it. Its economy of scale. The possibility of PLAN will induct FC31 increase exponentially when recently a FC31 model with PLAN ensign get exposure. Many Generals of PLAN are big fans of FC31, I think finally China will induct it. Just image China will build at least five 80000 tons of Carrier in the future, we at least will induct 500 of it( 60 per carriers, and some back up). In this case, I leave the PLAAF outside of it. If the PLAAF want it, the total number will easily go beyond 1000 plus! The more we induct, the cheaper for Pakistan.

The time for China and Pakistan is coming!

Just fasten your seatbelt buddies!

 

[Fawadqasim1]

the chances of pakistan getting j31 from china are slim because j31s airframe design is based on f35 so it's a clear copyright infringement, to which us gov't will certainly react. @Dino

 

[Bossman]

the chances of pakistan getting j31 from china are slim because j31s airframe design is based on f35 so it's a clear copyright infringement, to which us gov't will certainly react. @Dino

First learn what is copy right then post.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

First learn what is copy right then post.

Sir first learn why I posted the quoted message

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Wang bro help

 

[Arsalan 345]

i personally believe that we can buy 10 or 15 fc-31 but not 40 or 50.we just want to scare india.india on the other hand,wasted almost 8 billion for just 36 french rafales! the number is too low and cost is very high.why the indian government didn't ask americans for f-35? it's a very bad decision by indians.for pakistan,china is the best market to buy any weapon and will remain the best.they have tested vlraam missiles and they have new radars that can detect stealth fighters.they have j20 j31.what else we need? we are fortunate to have china as our friend.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

30 to 40 is just waste of money.

PAF needs at least a 100 of these birds...and with local production with it. Anything less is just ridiculus.

PAF needs these birds and related tech to build the replacement of f16s...the so-called NFG of PAF. Besides after a couple of decades PAF would need to start replacing JF17s as well.

Think ahead and plan ahead.

At least 100 J31s with sufficient ToT to build the local capabilities for the truly NFGs..forever independent, courtesy a True Friend - China.


PAF needs to become more agressive and drop this defensive posture...time to peneterate the hindiaans.... airspcae that is. Time for very deep strikes...deep into...enemy....

Hopefully, PAF has the strategic nerve to pull this one off.


All the best... PAF is critical to make war impossible in this crictical region.

 

[The SC]

30 to 40 is just waste of money.

PAF needs at least a 100 of these birds...and with local production with it. Anything less is just ridiculus.

PAF needs these birds and related tech to build the replacement of f16s...the so-called NFG of PAF. Besides after a couple of decades PAF would need to start replacing JF17s as well.

Think ahead and plan ahead.

At least 100 J31s with sufficient ToT to build the local capabilities for the truly NFGs..forever independent, courtesy a True Friend - China.


PAF needs to become more agressive and drop this defensive posture...time to peneterate the hindiaans.... airspcae that is. Time for very deep strikes...deep into...enemy....

Hopefully, PAF has the strategic nerve to pull this one off.


All the best... PAF is critical to make war impossible in this crictical region.

If we look at the original requirements of 250 JF-17s, and that actual change _lowering it_ to 150, one can become quite convinced that the 100 jets difference will be filled by the J-31.., most probably the J-10 was rejected for the same reason..

A note on the side:
Some of the Indians on this thread seem totally confused about the names and the prices of the J-20 and J-31.. some are saying that the J-20 will cost around "30mn $ or a bit more".. correction: Make it a around 130mn $
And some are saying that 40 J-31 will cost about 8 billion$_everything included_ .. correction: make that 3.5 to 3 billion$ based on a 60 to 70mn $ each, not even talking about ToT and production, nor the Chinese friendly price for Pakistan..

 

[Bossman]

Sir first learn why I posted the quoted message

It is ok to be stupid but you don't want to tell the whole world that you are.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

It is ok to be stupid but you don't want to tell the whole world that you are.

sir dino can enlighten you in this regard

It is ok to be stupid but you don't want to tell the whole world that you are.

there is a phenomenon called sarcasm you need to look it up

 

[khanasifm]

If we look at the original requirements of 250 JF-17s, and that actual change _lowering it_ to 150, one can become quite convinced that the 100 jets difference will be filled by the J-31.., most probably the J-10 was rejected for the same reason..

A note on the side:
Some of the Indians on this thread seem totally confused about the names and the prices of the J-20 and J-31.. some are saying that the J-20 will cost around "30mn $ or a bit more".. correction: Make it a around 130mn $
And some are saying that 40 J-31 will cost about 8 billion$_everything included_ .. correction: make that 3.5 to 3 billion$ based on a 60 to 70mn $ each, not even talking about ToT and production, nor the Chinese friendly price for Pakistan..

The requirement is still 200 plus or 275 or so if you consider the number of Sqn and aircraft I.e a5, f7p, f7pg an mirages. Project min commitment fro pak was 150, one f7 and one mirage Sqn i.e. 19 and 5 were replaced by f16s so depending upon if additional f16 or other Ac are acquired the. JF number may go down , most likely current 4 f16 Sqn may be supplemented by 2 additional f16 or other Ac that's leaves 14 jf Sqn or So

Total fighter Ac invenyroy around 375-400 including k8 with fcu

400/20 so 20 Sqn with 20 Ac (including ocu, ccs)some are Sqn attrition loss replacement ove 20-30 year service I.e. 16 Ac Sqn plus 4 Ac reserve or attrition replacement

150 will only replace a5, f7p and f7pg so another 125 are needed to replace 6 mirage Sqn 7,8,15,25 and 27 there is no need for ocu so 22 Sqn will convert to normal Sqn and ccs mirage Sqn will
Melt away as JF and f16 at ccs

 

[ziaulislam]

The requirement is still 200 plus or 275 or so if you consider the number of Sqn and aircraft I.e a5, f7p, f7pg an mirages. Project min commitment fro pak was 150, one f7 and one mirage Sqn i.e. 19 and 5 were replaced by f16s so depending upon if additional f16 or other Ac are acquired the. JF number may go down , most likely current 4 f16 Sqn may be supplemented by 2 additional f16 or other Ac that's leaves 14 jf Sqn or So

Total fighter Ac invenyroy around 375-400 including k8 with fcu

400/20 so 20 Sqn with 20 Ac (including ocu, ccs)some are Sqn attrition loss replacement ove 20-30 year service

sq here is usually 16-18 ac
20x16-18=320-360
150-250 thunders & 80-120f-16s, 30-50 NGF

 

[ChineseToTheBone]

For all we know, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation might be developing the J-31 with their own money and little government funds currently. That could be why this project is progressing relatively slow and might be in need of investors. However, if this stealth jet is showcased at the upcoming Paris Air Show like the rumours say, then Pakistan might finally choose to invest.

 

[The SC]

The requirement is still 200 plus or 275 or so if you consider the number of Sqn and aircraft I.e a5, f7p, f7pg an mirages. Project min commitment fro pak was 150, one f7 and one mirage Sqn i.e. 19 and 5 were replaced by f16s so depending upon if additional f16 or other Ac are acquired the. JF number may go down , most likely current 4 f16 Sqn may be supplemented by 2 additional f16 or other Ac that's leaves 14 jf Sqn or So

Total fighter Ac invenyroy around 375-400 including k8 with fcu

400/20 so 20 Sqn with 20 Ac (including ocu, ccs)some are Sqn attrition loss replacement ove 20-30 year service I.e. 16 Ac Sqn plus 4 Ac reserve or attrition replacement

150 will only replace a5, f7p and f7pg so another 125 are needed to replace 6 mirage Sqn 7,8,15,25 and 27 there is no need for ocu so 22 Sqn will convert to normal Sqn and ccs mirage Sqn will
Melt away as JF and f16 at ccs

How many 3rd and 4th generation fighters a 5th G can replace? if two, then it is fine for the numbers, if not then 250 JF-17 number should be considered.. IMHO it should be considered in any case..
What is your take on it?

 

[Windjammer]

China’s FC-31 Fighter May Be Slated for Carrier Ops
by Chen Chuanren
- February 23, 2017, 3:31 AM


A second prototype of the FC-31 has flown at Shenyang. (Image: Chinese Internet)
Following the first flight of a second Shenyang FC-31 prototype, on December 23 last year, there are now discussions within the Chinese media that the improved aircraft might be slated for operations on the new Chinese carrier fleet. The aircraft has been named the “Gryfalcon.”

The second prototype is similarly configured to the model that was displayed at China's Zhuhai Airshow last November. It features some common design elements to the Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter, such as cropped vertical stabilizers. It also has an Electro Optic Targeting Sight (EOTS) under the nose. In an interview on Chinese television, military analyst Chen Hu said that it is not surprising to see elements of the J-20 on the FC-31, since both jets are being developed by the state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AIVC).

A new scale model of the FC-31 on display in the Shenyang Aviation Museum carries Chinese naval insignia, further hinting at a planned carrier capability for the aircraft. The museum is owned by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. Like most carrier-borne aircraft, the FC-31 has a twin nose gear, and it was recently reported that the third Chinese aircraft carrier would be fitted with three steam catapults.

Chen also noted that the smaller and lighter footprint of the FC-31 gives it an advantage on a carrier’s limited deck space. Moreover, Shenyang would have an advantage over other Chinese aerospace companies, because of its experience in adapting the Su-27 for Chinese naval use as the J-15.

Specifications revealed at the Zhuhai Airshow suggest that the length of the Gryfalcon has increased from 16.8 meters to 17.5 meters. The maximum takeoff weight has increased by three tonnes to 28 tonnes. In addition, the wheel wells of the second prototype are significantly smaller, allowing for a larger internal weapons bay, capable of accommodating up to 8 tonnes of armaments.

The aircraft was originally powered by the Russian-supplied Klimov R-93 turbofans, but Chinese analysts have noted that the latest test flight did not produce the thick exhaust smoke seen in earlier flights. This suggests that the second FC-31 has new powerplants.

The FC-31 is self-funded by Shenyang, which is hoping to export it. The current list price for the Chinese is at $70 million, significantly lower than the F-35A Lightning II. In 2014, Pakistan’s defense production minister Rana Tanveer Hussain stated his country’s interest in procuring 30-40 FC-31. Discussions have since reportedly advanced beyond the initial phase.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...hinas-fc-31-fighter-may-be-slated-carrier-ops