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Pakistan interested in buying 30-40 J-31s

J-20 is not for export.

It will be export for China closest Ally , which is Pakistan but no until China has their needs fulfilled , J-20 wont be coming to PAF post 2030 .. J-31 will be ready earlier than we think if PAF officially become Partner in it, just like JF-17
 
It will be export for China closest Ally , which is Pakistan but no until China has their needs fulfilled , J-20 wont be coming to PAF post 2030 .. J-31 will be ready earlier than we think if PAF officially become Partner in it, just like JF-17
Perhaps you are right brother. We have to see...

This is what members said here that J-20 is not for export. Pakistan could be an exception.
 
Perhaps you are right brother. We have to see...

This is what members said here that J-20 is not for export. Pakistan could be an exception.

if Pakistan wanted to go for off the shelf air superiority fighter and looking at the numbers, it seems that J-20 is what PAF want to acquire while they work on alternate solution for cheaper 5th gen fighter to replace F-16. it is the same mentality that bought us F-104 and Mirage 3 in 50's/60s.

imagine J-20 in PAF colors, IAF will have nothing to rival it till PAKFA is ready and that is another 10 years or so and by then PAF will be inducting FC-31 or TFX. finally after 30 years PAF will be able to achieve theater air superiority.
 
if Pakistan wanted to go for off the shelf air superiority fighter and looking at the numbers, it seems that J-20 is what PAF want to acquire while they work on alternate solution for cheaper 5th gen fighter to replace F-16. it is the same mentality that bought us F-104 and Mirage 3 in 50's/60s.

imagine J-20 in PAF colors, IAF will have nothing to rival it till PAKFA is ready and that is another 10 years or so and by then PAF will be inducting FC-31 or TFX. finally after 30 years PAF will be able to achieve theater air superiority.
Insh'Allah brother.

Lets see what happens.
 
if Pakistan wanted to go for off the shelf air superiority fighter and looking at the numbers, it seems that J-20 is what PAF want to acquire while they work on alternate solution for cheaper 5th gen fighter to replace F-16. it is the same mentality that bought us F-104 and Mirage 3 in 50's/60s.

imagine J-20 in PAF colors, IAF will have nothing to rival it till PAKFA is ready and that is another 10 years or so and by then PAF will be inducting FC-31 or TFX. finally after 30 years PAF will be able to achieve theater air superiority.
Too early to say.
 
very speculative at this point even though the Chinese internet suggests that PAF will be the first export customer. the J31 is on the back burner as compared to the J20 which is the PLAAF focus.
 
very speculative at this point even though the Chinese internet suggests that PAF will be the first export customer. the J31 is on the back burner as compared to the J20 which is the PLAAF focus.
Well it looks like Pakistan is going to get the J-31s.
 
If internet price ranges of $30mn are accurate (though I suspect it's a bit more) a deal to purchase say 50 of these JF20s would be $1.5 bn for the aircraft alone and another $0.5-1.0 bn for training, spares, logistics and linked platforms (this excludes development costs which would likely also have to be partly shared). It would also mean a generational shift to a different platform - something which concerns me about our own Rafaele deal - and in order to be successful would require a sourcing of most if not all PAF aircraft from China - which has its own strategic issues.
 
if Pakistan wanted to go for off the shelf air superiority fighter and looking at the numbers, it seems that J-20 is what PAF want to acquire while they work on alternate solution for cheaper 5th gen fighter to replace F-16. it is the same mentality that bought us F-104 and Mirage 3 in 50's/60s.

imagine J-20 in PAF colors, IAF will have nothing to rival it till PAKFA is ready and that is another 10 years or so and by then PAF will be inducting FC-31 or TFX. finally after 30 years PAF will be able to achieve theater air superiority.

Sorry to piss on your parade but it's exactly what it is, imagination.

1) J-20 is not designed for export, whereas its' watered down younger brother J-31 is.

2) But, let's for the arguments' sake assume that they're willing to let you get your hands on it (Given that Pak can afford it) it won't be inducted in PLAAF before 2020. PAK FA which made it's first flight before J-20 is still going through user trials and won't be inducted before late 2018.

3) Whereas J-20 is still a few years away. It's still flying on Russian AL-31F turbofan (same engine as Su-35) and their WS-15 is not finished and hasn't entered service yet. Not to mention weapon integration, weapon trials, getting Final Operation Clearance (FOC) and what not.

4) They're still making prototypes and are still producing Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) versions of the technology demonstrator.
 
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40 j31 will cost 8 to 10 bilion dollars including all spares, ammunition, , maintaince infrastructure, and including all training and regular maintenance over a decade. Can pakistan afford to buy. It suerly cannot induct while it is inducting j17. Unless china wants to counter india and lowers the cost for pakistan.
The cost of FC31 depends on how many PLAAF and PLAN want to induct it. Its economy of scale. The possibility of PLAN will induct FC31 increase exponentially when recently a FC31 model with PLAN ensign get exposure. Many Generals of PLAN are big fans of FC31, I think finally China will induct it. Just image China will build at least five 80000 tons of Carrier in the future, we at least will induct 500 of it( 60 per carriers, and some back up). In this case, I leave the PLAAF outside of it. If the PLAAF want it, the total number will easily go beyond 1000 plus! The more we induct, the cheaper for Pakistan.

The time for China and Pakistan is coming!

Just fasten your seatbelt buddies!
 
Sorry to piss on your parade but it's exactly what it is, imagination.

1) J-20 is designed for export, whereas its' watered down younger brother J-31 is.

2) But, let's for the arguments' sake assume that they're willing to let you get your hands on it (Given that Pak can afford it) it won't be inducted in PLAAF before 2020. PAK FA which made it's first flight before J-20 is still going through user trials and won't be inducted before late 2018.

3) Whereas J-20 is still a few years away. It's still flying on Russian AL-31F turbofan (same engine as Su-35) and their WS-15 is not finished and hasn't entered service yet. Not to mention weapon integration, weapon trials, getting Final Operation Clearance (FOC) and what not.

4) They're still making prototypes and are still producing Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) versions of the technology demonstrator.

What is up with these Indians using British flags on this forum all of a sudden? Feels good. The same country that did Pakistan a huge favor and freed us from barbarity.

The rest of the post is laughable. Indians lecturing others about their own hardware LMAO You know nothing about J-20, J-31 or anything else for that matter. Even your speculation sucks.

First try to get the failed LCA flying. We will argue after that. Indians are only tigers at buying off the shelf. They cannot initiate any project and when they do we all know what happens.

40 j31 will cost 8 to 10 bilion dollars including all spares, ammunition, , maintaince infrastructure, and including all training and regular maintenance over a decade. Can pakistan afford to buy. It suerly cannot induct while it is inducting j17. Unless china wants to counter india and lowers the cost for pakistan.

That's what you people also said about the JF-17. It could never become a reality. You have been repeating this old broken record for decades now. It has a certain pattern.

Indian logic:

- First, you call it fake. Denial stage;
- Then, after reality starts sinking in you start admitting that it might be for real. Gradual acceptance;
- Then, once reality has completely struck home you start arguing about origin, reliability, bla bla bla. Burnol stage;
- Last but not least. You get gobsmacked by every single argument presented. The final cry and sob stage.

You keep your economics to yourself. Pak China relation is above and beyond economics. If you are trying to comfort yourself with bogus arguments you need a reality check.

Pakistan is going to get J-31 and in great numbers. This is beyond dispute. The J-31 will counter all of India's Western acquired fighters. It will also gradually replace our F-16s in the coming years. The JF-17 will act as our numerical backbone fighter alongside J-31. This is what we call a high-low mix. The JF-17 will serve its purpose for low-end missions and the J-31 will do the same for the high-end spectrum.
 
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I think Mr Aakash has just returned back to the Earth. J20 has already entered China Air Force service. Photos evidence have been in circulations for months.

And FC-31 Ver 2.0 has already made its maiden flight.

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