Pakistan Intelligence Setup...A Mess?Your thoughts & observations..!

[faani83]

I noticed a lot of anomalies, lack of coordination & integration.
1. Pakistan does not have any thing like US National Intelligence Directorate Where all intelligence from various agencies/Intelligence community are fed & analysed.
2. ISI does brief PM time to time.
3. What is the role of ISI?Does it look strategically around the world or has singular focus on India?Is is responsible for looking at indian military?What are ISI internal wings responsible for?
4. What is the defined role of MI? Does it overlap ISI? Was it responsible and successful to break insurgency and mainstream Balochistan?
5. What does Pakistan's premier civilian agency IB does?
6. Who is responsible for Industrial/Economic espionage as done by China recently and Russia before?

 

[khansaheeb]

Dunno, ISI is too secretive.

 

[ARMalik]

Honestly I have severe doubts on the Intelligence apparatus of Pakistan. History is proof that the Military and its agencies have always involved themselves in civilian governments. When they have involved themselves in civilian matters, then it is only logical to ask what part have they played in the enormous corruption of NS and Zardari??

Think about it, if there are handful of individuals who are sucking away a Whole nation of its money and vital resources, and also creating huge national security issues then would you let them do the plunder or would you stop them?? Why would the agencies keep quiet and let the plunder go on UNLESS they were involved in this themselves??

Also, the inability of the intelligence apparatus to deal with the relentless Media hybrid war on Pakistan people to me is the single biggest failure of intelligence agencies. There is a war imposed on Pakistan people, and nothing has been done about it. Why??

 

[StormBreaker]

I noticed a lot of anomalies, lack of coordination & integration.
1. Pakistan does not have any thing like US National Intelligence Directorate Where all intelligence from various agencies/Intelligence community are fed & analysed.
2. ISI does brief PM time to time.
3. What is the role of ISI?Does it look strategically around the world or has singular focus on India?Is is responsible for looking at indian military?What are ISI internal wings responsible for?
4. What is the defined role of MI? Does it overlap ISI? Was it responsible and successful to break insurgency and mainstream Balochistan?
5. What does Pakistan's premier civilian agency IB does?
6. Who is responsible for Industrial/Economic espionage as done by China recently and Russia before?

Don’t talk in matters you don’t know and are kept hidden as it’s none of our matter.

And please get out of the “USA PERFECT SYSTEM” obsession. Why copy USA in everything ? Given ISI’s rank, USA must rather copy us...

Honestly I have severe doubts on the Intelligence apparatus of Pakistan. History is proof that the Military and its agencies have always involved themselves in civilian governments. When they have involved themselves in civilian matters, then it is only logical to ask what part have they played in the enormous corruption of NS and Zardari??

Think about it, if there are handful of individuals who are sucking away a Whole nation of its money and vital resources, and also creating huge national security issues then would you let them do the plunder or would you stop them?? Why would the agencies keep quiet and let the plunder go on UNLESS they were involved in this themselves??

Also, the inability of the intelligence apparatus to deal with the relentless Media hybrid war on Pakistan people to me is the single biggest failure of intelligence agencies. There is a war imposed on Pakistan people, and nothing has been done about it. Why??

Dear,

Sorry to say but given your hypothesis of involvement is true, i would deem it as something necessary. No one in Pakistan is trustable as we are a sold nation ALWAYS !!!
Give some 0.2 million and the reciever will bark against nation. What do you expect from these corrupt politicians and goons had LEAs not been involved among them ? Prosperity ? Development ? National integrity and security? Nah, they would be easily bribed by india and that’s what india always wanted. That’s why their puppets here bark against army’s involvement in civil matters because army is a wall between their ambition to bribe..

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Yup criticize only working institutions military or isi that are functioning and sometimes beyond their means. The rest are there just to drink chai and biscuits.
1.A total restructure of civilian apparatus and cleansing of incompetent bunch from FIA and other supporting integligencia.
2. Coordination teams which are smart brains working within this spider web connecting and co ordination
3. A formation of an offensive formation which can eliminate threat as soon as it appears on radar.

 

[ARMalik]

Don’t talk in matters you don’t know and are kept hidden as it’s none of our matter.

And please get out of the “USA PERFECT SYSTEM” obsession. Why copy USA in everything ? Given ISI’s rank, USA must rather copy us...


Dear,

Sorry to say but given your hypothesis of involvement is true, i would deem it as something necessary. No one in Pakistan is trustable as we are a sold nation ALWAYS !!!
Give some 0.2 million and the reciever will bark against nation. What do you expect from these corrupt politicians and goons had LEAs not been involved among them ? Prosperity ? Development ? National integrity and security? Nah, they would be easily bribed by india and that’s what india always wanted. That’s why their puppets here bark against army’s involvement in civil matters because army is a wall between their ambition to bribe..

I know what you mean but I have to disagree to to the sentence that "No one in Pakistan is trust-able". The correct sentence should have been "those in power or positions of Power are not trust-able" in Pakistan.

If there are traitors within the establishment, bureaucracy, and civilian government, then there is no doubt the agencies need to know but why is there hypocrisy and double standards? Recently a military man was put to death because he was a traitor. Then why can't you not put to death arse holes like Zardari or NS? It is because they are treated differently since they belong to a few 'elites' who are ruling Pakistan; It is because of the hypocrisy and to some extent the corruption of the Agencies that we have double standards.

Also, why would you not stop the relentless media war imposed on Pakistan by foreign agencies?? What is the excuse here?? This media war is so dangerous that it can fundamentally change the society in Pakistan and can destabilize strategic relations with some key countries.

 

[python-000]

Wow what a attempt targeting PAKISTAN ISI on PAKISTAN DEFENSE FORUM Plz BAN this person immediately...

 

[Caprxl]

Well well well, someone just popped his cherry hahahahah,, Congratulations

Welcome to d forum , listen / read , ask / learn , it's a long way ahead for you dear and then maybe one day you will know d answer of your question or maybe you know it already and playing with us.

In any case, welcome again

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

I noticed a lot of anomalies, lack of coordination & integration.
1. Pakistan does not have any thing like US National Intelligence Directorate Where all intelligence from various agencies/Intelligence community are fed & analysed.
2. ISI does brief PM time to time.
3. What is the role of ISI?Does it look strategically around the world or has singular focus on India?Is is responsible for looking at indian military?What are ISI internal wings responsible for?
4. What is the defined role of MI? Does it overlap ISI? Was it responsible and successful to break insurgency and mainstream Balochistan?
5. What does Pakistan's premier civilian agency IB does?
6. Who is responsible for Industrial/Economic espionage as done by China recently and Russia before?

Unfortunately we have had and probably have PM's who take ISI briefing on national security as from one and out of next. They are more interested about info regarding their political opponents rather than national security situation and try to use it their political advantage especially dictatorship government
The problem can be resolved as soon as our current prime minister start taking advice from right people and experts not not consider himself one man solution to all problems.

 

[StormBreaker]

I know what you mean but I have to disagree to to the sentence that "No one in Pakistan is trust-able". The correct sentence should have been "those in power or positions of Power are not trust-able" in Pakistan.

If there are traitors within the establishment, bureaucracy, and civilian government, then there is no doubt the agencies need to know but why is there hypocrisy and double standards? Recently a military man was put to death because he was a traitor. Then why can't you not put to death arse holes like Zardari or NS? It is because they are treated differently since they belong to a few 'elites' who are ruling Pakistan; It is because of the hypocrisy and to some extent the corruption of the Agencies that we have double standards.

Also, why would you not stop the relentless media war imposed on Pakistan by foreign agencies?? What is the excuse here?? This media war is so dangerous that it can fundamentally change the society in Pakistan and can destabilize strategic relations with some key countries.

The guy declared traitor was wearing uniform. It was a disgrace to the uniform and was a job MILITARY itself not judiciary. Anyone who uses the prestigious institution’s identity and yet betray the nation deserves such...

I don’t have one word answer for the last concern however, media war is complex subject. People already have this stupid habit of coming out at army every time for interfering... How can they openly interfere in such matters then?

 

[B.K.N]

Also, why would you not stop the relentless media war imposed on Pakistan by foreign agencies?? What is the excuse here?? This media war is so dangerous that it can fundamentally change the society in Pakistan and can destabilize strategic relations with some key countries.

It will be called an attack on democracy and freedom of speech
And supreme Court will never allow this

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I noticed a lot of anomalies, lack of coordination & integration.
1. Pakistan does not have any thing like US National Intelligence Directorate Where all intelligence from various agencies/Intelligence community are fed & analysed.
2. ISI does brief PM time to time.
3. What is the role of ISI?Does it look strategically around the world or has singular focus on India?Is is responsible for looking at indian military?What are ISI internal wings responsible for?
4. What is the defined role of MI? Does it overlap ISI? Was it responsible and successful to break insurgency and mainstream Balochistan?
5. What does Pakistan's premier civilian agency IB does?
6. Who is responsible for Industrial/Economic espionage as done by China recently and Russia before?

Dont know and dont care. Somethings are better kept in the dark. Also what mainstreaming of balochistan? What year do you think this is?

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

It will be called an attack on democracy and freedom of speech
And supreme Court will never allow this

PS public support is required and at the moment many Pakistani's are loyal to parties and petty political interests rather than country.

 

[JonAsad]

I noticed a lot of anomalies, lack of coordination & integration.
1. Pakistan does not have any thing like US National Intelligence Directorate Where all intelligence from various agencies/Intelligence community are fed & analysed.
2. ISI does brief PM time to time.
3. What is the role of ISI?Does it look strategically around the world or has singular focus on India?Is is responsible for looking at indian military?What are ISI internal wings responsible for?
4. What is the defined role of MI? Does it overlap ISI? Was it responsible and successful to break insurgency and mainstream Balochistan?
5. What does Pakistan's premier civilian agency IB does?
6. Who is responsible for Industrial/Economic espionage as done by China recently and Russia before?

ispy - ustupid -

 

[Sine Nomine]

Funny thing is that most people commenting here are political fanboys and have never been part of local Police let alone national intel setup.

Don’t talk in matters you don’t know and are kept hidden as it’s none of our matter.

If i am not wrong it's a defence forum and everyone is free to discuss and make wild guesses based upon info in public domain.

And please get out of the “USA PERFECT SYSTEM” obsession. Why copy USA in everything ? Given ISI’s rank, USA must rather copy us...

There system,tactics and weaponolgy is most advance in world.Everybody is copying them.
Get out of that ranking thing,that's our self made entity for feel good.