Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[cabatli_53]

Info/update about CAFRAD !

All units on same non-rotating mast for TF-2000 frigate/destroyer!

• ÇAFRAD ÇFR (Multi-function radar) (X band)
• ÇAFRAD AYR (Illumination/fire-control radar)
• ÇAFRAD UMR (Long range radar) (UMR Range: 600km each) - (S Band)
• ÇAFRAD Non-Rotating IFF (IFF Range: 250nm-470km)
• ÇAFRAD EW sensors (Proven Ares-2N)
• 360 Degree Panoramic E/O
• Integrated Communication antennas
• Satellite Communication on top

GaN modules of CAFRAD is being produced by AB Micronano which is another Aselsan institute established under a cooperation with Bilkent university to produce GaN based transistors/chips in home. It is told that 20,000 GaN modules will be manufactured on four surface of CAFRAD for long range radars.

5000 GaN module on each means CAFRAD will be superior to What USA offers with their best Aegis radar variant SPY-1B/D (4350 module) in terms of module number. If Turkey manage to develop CAFRAD radar complex successfully, The Genesis-Advent + CAFRAD + Hisar missile family + Korkut-D CIWS combination will offer one of the most strategic Naval Combat System for friendly countries without any software limitation like many provider does.


Hisar-O

New generation Genesis-ADVENT CMS on different warships performing as one ship with their multiple sensor target info processing capability to activate the best strategy within seconds.

Trials of the prototype ÇAFRAD which is under production with a scaled size will commence in 2018.

 

[monitor]

Just read the specification of LF2400 design it seems a decent design with affordable price of around 250 million dollar based on price Egypt paid for gowind class corvette . Pakistan can go for it with possibility of having both western or Chinese weapons package. Basic milgem doesn't seems fulling Pakistan requirement considering rapid modernization of Indian navy.

 

[khanasifm]

Just read the specification of LF2400 design it seems a decent design with affordable price of around 250 million dollar based on price Egypt paid for gowind class corvette . Pakistan can go for it with possibility of having both western or Chinese weapons package. Basic milgem doesn't seems fulling Pakistan requirement considering rapid modernization of Indian navy.

Chimes 054 cost same with ly80 and more tonnage plus range but looks like as pn has many western technology in form of harpoon and other weapons they want a western platform which will take these weapons , Chinese platform would mean retiring western weapons , just my guess

 

[monitor]

Chimes 054 cost same with ly80 and more tonnage plus range but looks like as pn has many western technology in form of harpoon and other weapons they want a western platform which will take these weapons , Chinese platform would mean retiring western weapons , just my guess

Pakistan probably wants to have both western and Chinese weapons. Turkish warships will have Turkish and western weapons whither Chinese ship will have Chinese.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Info/update about CAFRAD !

All units on same non-rotating mast for TF-2000 frigate/destroyer!

• ÇAFRAD ÇFR (Multi-function radar) (X band)
• ÇAFRAD AYR (Illumination/fire-control radar)
• ÇAFRAD UMR (Long range radar) (UMR Range: 600km each) - (S Band)
• ÇAFRAD Non-Rotating IFF (IFF Range: 250nm-470km)
• ÇAFRAD EW sensors (Proven Ares-2N)
• 360 Degree Panoramic E/O
• Integrated Communication antennas
• Satellite Communication on top

GaN modules of CAFRAD is being produced by AB Micronano which is another Aselsan institute established under a cooperation with Bilkent university to produce GaN based transistors/chips in home. It is told that 20,000 GaN modules will be manufactured on four surface of CAFRAD for long range radars.

5000 GaN module on each means CAFRAD will be superior to What USA offers with their best Aegis radar variant SPY-1B/D (4350 module) in terms of module number. If Turkey manage to develop CAFRAD radar complex successfully, The Genesis-Advent + CAFRAD + Hisar missile family + Korkut-D CIWS combination will offer one of the most strategic Naval Combat System for friendly countries without any software limitation like many provider does.


Hisar-O

New generation Genesis-ADVENT CMS on different warships performing as one ship with their multiple sensor target info processing capability to activate the best strategy within seconds.

Trials of the prototype ÇAFRAD which is under production with a scaled size will commence in 2018.

All the good work that have been going on at the Bilkent University in the solid state field for the last three decades is coming to fruition. Elhamdulillah!!!

Pakistan probably wants to have both western and Chinese weapons. Turkish warships will have Turkish and western weapons whither Chinese ship will have Chinese.

Why not BD???? They have the Chinese leg, so now time to go for the Turkish option!!!!

 

[Tank131]

Chimes 054 cost same with ly80 and more tonnage plus range but looks like as pn has many western technology in form of harpoon and other weapons they want a western platform which will take these weapons , Chinese platform would mean retiring western weapons , just my guess

The estimated Type 054A cost is somewhere between ~$230M (1.58B yuan per wiki) to $333M (Chinese offer to Thailand of 3 Type 054A for $1bn total), but yes, it has more range. It is also much larger, and requires a crew of 165 personnel vs 100 for LF-2400. Depending on the missile system (ie if PN can acquire CAMM or KSAAM which is actually are reasonable political prospect), then the LF-2400 will also carry more and better weaponry than the Type 054A (64 SAMs with 60km range and 21 SAMs of 9km range (85 total SAMs) vs 32 SAMs with 40km range). The 054A is a good option for PN if the price is right, but if the cost is $333M (as was offered to Thailand), then is makes less sense than the I-class which at the same price has similar sensors, likely a better CMS (Genesis-Advent) and more weapons options (Hisar, CAMM, KSAAM, HQ-10, Umkhonto vs Chinese alone) and has 16 vs 8 AShM with a smaller, likely stealthier stature and requiring less personnel.

More importantly, It helps diversify Pakistan's military suppliers.

 

[usamafarooqui2]

The estimated Type 054A cost is somewhere between ~$230M (1.58B yuan per wiki) to $333M (Chinese offer to Thailand of 3 Type 054A for $1bn total), but yes, it has more range. It is also much larger, and requires a crew of 165 personnel vs 100 for LF-2400. Depending on the missile system (ie if PN can acquire CAMM or KSAAM which is actually are reasonable political prospect), then the LF-2400 will also carry more and better weaponry than the Type 054A (64 SAMs with 60km range and 21 SAMs of 9km range (85 total SAMs) vs 32 SAMs with 40km range). The 054A is a good option for PN if the price is right, but if the cost is $333M (as was offered to Thailand), then is makes less sense than the I-class which at the same price has similar sensors, likely a better CMS (Genesis-Advent) and more weapons options (Hisar, CAMM, KSAAM, HQ-10, Umkhonto vs Chinese alone) and has 16 vs 8 AShM with a smaller, likely stealthier stature and requiring less personnel.

More importantly, It helps diversify Pakistan's military suppliers.

Exactly !!! thats what i said before also we should go for 054 having capability of firing cruise missile too

 

[cabatli_53]

Atmaca ship to ship missile-First time in forums
Range:200+ km

 

[royalharris]

The estimated Type 054A cost is somewhere between ~$230M (1.58B yuan per wiki) to $333M (Chinese offer to Thailand of 3 Type 054A for $1bn total), but yes, it has more range. It is also much larger, and requires a crew of 165 personnel vs 100 for LF-2400. Depending on the missile system (ie if PN can acquire CAMM or KSAAM which is actually are reasonable political prospect), then the LF-2400 will also carry more and better weaponry than the Type 054A (64 SAMs with 60km range and 21 SAMs of 9km range (85 total SAMs) vs 32 SAMs with 40km range). The 054A is a good option for PN if the price is right, but if the cost is $333M (as was offered to Thailand), then is makes less sense than the I-class which at the same price has similar sensors, likely a better CMS (Genesis-Advent) and more weapons options (Hisar, CAMM, KSAAM, HQ-10, Umkhonto vs Chinese alone) and has 16 vs 8 AShM with a smaller, likely stealthier stature and requiring less personnel.

More importantly, It helps diversify Pakistan's military suppliers.

Compare a paper warship with a mature warship?funny!

 

[monitor]

The estimated Type 054A cost is somewhere between ~$230M (1.58B yuan per wiki) to $333M (Chinese offer to Thailand of 3 Type 054A for $1bn total), but yes, it has more range. It is also much larger, and requires a crew of 165 personnel vs 100 for LF-2400. Depending on the missile system (ie if PN can acquire CAMM or KSAAM which is actually are reasonable political prospect), then the LF-2400 will also carry more and better weaponry than the Type 054A (64 SAMs with 60km range and 21 SAMs of 9km range (85 total SAMs) vs 32 SAMs with 40km range). The 054A is a good option for PN if the price is right, but if the cost is $333M (as was offered to Thailand), then is makes less sense than the I-class which at the same price has similar sensors, likely a better CMS (Genesis-Advent) and more weapons options (Hisar, CAMM, KSAAM, HQ-10, Umkhonto vs Chinese alone) and has 16 vs 8 AShM with a smaller, likely stealthier stature and requiring less personnel.

More importantly, It helps diversify Pakistan's military suppliers.

Pakistan can go ahead with LF-2600 with relatively less price to acquires and less manpower to operate. As you said Pakistan need to diversify it's weapons source putting every eggs in same box isn't good idea. Beside if Pakistan goes for KSAM it can build a close military relationship with south Korea too. They have decent defense industry and offer frigate options too like their new Incheon class frigate ( not expensive 337 million dollar ).

 

[Tank131]

Compare a paper warship with a mature warship?funny!

Your right, comparing on paper defense items to mature platforms is funny, like people once compared typhoon on paper to tornado, rafale to m2k, F-22 to F-15...those were funny. What are you even talking about? There are many aspects that need to be considered when choosing your next platfprm, and a new design vs a mature platform is one of them. However you also include what benefits the new design brings over the "older" platform. In the LF-2400 those include a smaller vessel with lower operating costs. A more diverse supplier pool for big ticket items for Pakistan. A potential to include multiple weapons packs (including chinese, turkish, korean, british, american, etc). Potential to include quad-packable sams depending on political options (british and korean sams are reasonable options). An opportunity to add different sources of technology to Pakistan's industries. These all make the paper ship options something to definitely consider over the mature platform, especially when it is quite clear that PN has had the option of 054A for quite some time and hasn't used it, and it has the potential to 1)carry more weaponry if quad-packable missiles used, than 054A, and 2)have better CMS for better network integration with the GENESIS - Adept system and in the future, an upgrade with a CAFRAD radar integrated mast.

 

[royalharris]

Your right, comparing on paper defense items to mature platforms is funny, like people once compared typhoon on paper to tornado, rafale to m2k, F-22 to F-15...those were funny. What are you even talking about? There are many aspects that need to be considered when choosing your next platfprm, and a new design vs a mature platform is one of them. However you also include what benefits the new design brings over the "older" platform. In the LF-2400 those include a smaller vessel with lower operating costs. A more diverse supplier pool for big ticket items for Pakistan. A potential to include multiple weapons packs (including chinese, turkish, korean, british, american, etc). Potential to include quad-packable sams depending on political options (british and korean sams are reasonable options). An opportunity to add different sources of technology to Pakistan's industries. These all make the paper ship options something to definitely consider over the mature platform, especially when it is quite clear that PN has had the option of 054A for quite some time and hasn't used it, and it has the potential to 1)carry more weaponry if quad-packable missiles used, than 054A, and 2)have better CMS for better network integration with the GENESIS - Adept system and in the future, an upgrade with a CAFRAD radar integrated mast.

No interest
Whatever

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The S26 submarine is also just a "paper warship" ... but the Pakistan Navy ordered 8 of them. The Azmat FAC was also a "paper warship" before the Pakistan Navy inducted two and put two under production in Karachi. The STM Fleet Tanker was too on "paper" before Pakistan ordered it and had one put together at KSEW.

 

[royalharris]

The S26 submarine is also just a "paper warship" ... but the Pakistan Navy ordered 8 of them. The Azmat FAC was also a "paper warship" before the Pakistan Navy inducted two and put two under production in Karachi. The STM Fleet Tanker was too on "paper" before Pakistan ordered it and had one put together at KSEW.

With the ability of indigenous aircraft carriers,055 destroyers ,SSN/SSBN. The "paper" S26 and Azmat FAC are just snacks for china. The "paper" is so much different
Ok,just ignore me.
No interest to quarrel

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

With the ability of indigenous aircraft carriers,055 destroyers ,SSN/SSBN. The "paper" S26 and Azmat FAC are just snacks for china. The "paper" is so much different
Ok,just ignore me.
No interest to quarrel

Why make statements at people and then say, "no interest in quarrel..." That's insincere. Anyways, the LF-2400 might just be a design, but it's based on a living platform in the MILGEM Ada. Slightly extending the hull and having a new bridge design of the Ada to make LF-2400 doesn't take away from what can be examined in the Ada. The Pakistan Navy has also worked with STM in the Navy Fleet Tanker program, which was also a paper design, and now it's undergoing trials at sea.