Pakistan has no right to comment on India’s internal affairs: Salman Khurshid

[Bratva]

Very poor knowledge of history.

Not only India captured your uniformed troops, including commissioned officers for destabilisation/ Sabotaging - Pak govt itself acknowledge this by putting their names on ISPR - Shuhada Corner.

The case in point is Nk Zulfikar Ahmad - he was captured alive and died in our Hospital at Delhi.

Look at the operation he was assigned - Suicide attack.


Even the service number is given

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Wikileaks - https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/...stan-ct-pakistani-army-virtually-owns-up.html

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-sh...gent-on-suicide-mission-in-india/20101214.htm

From your own Wikileaks link


Ok, I think I know what has happened here.
The army recently began entering the names of many
soldiers in this list. The cause of death of lots of
soldiers has been listed as suicide attack, which
means they were killed in one of the many jihadist
attacks that have targeted the army. It is possible
that the person who entered the name of this
particular soldier entered suicide attack in the wrong
field. The site is pretty sloppy. There are lots of
spelling mistakes. </font>The other thing is the
soldier in question dies in an Indian hospital due to
two different illnesses. So, it doesn&#39;t make sense for
him to have been involved in a suicide attack. <br>
<br>


And what is the chance that this information was not photo-shopped by Indian media ? Jamwal atleast search your own leaks before making BS accusations that ISI sends its agents on Suicide attack missions. Even a five year old knows that no agency would waste its agents like this

 

[Jamwal's]

Yes, but the facts state otherwise... Actually we would also do the same in your position but we are not. I feel sorry for his family as latter for the previous cases show similar behavior.

Innocent or Spy ! What do we know as a civilian.

He might be a double agent, a defector.
Depending on the competence of RAW he would return as a HVT prisoner exchange behind the scene or spend his life in Pak prison.

From your own Wikileaks link


Ok, I think I know what has happened here.
The army recently began entering the names of many
soldiers in this list. The cause of death of lots of
soldiers has been listed as suicide attack, which
means they were killed in one of the many jihadist
attacks that have targeted the army. It is possible
that the person who entered the name of this
particular soldier entered suicide attack in the wrong
field. The site is pretty sloppy. There are lots of
spelling mistakes. </font>The other thing is the
soldier in question dies in an Indian hospital due to
two different illnesses. So, it doesn&#39;t make sense for
him to have been involved in a suicide attack. <br>
<br>


And what is the chance that this information was not photo-shopped by Indian media ? Jamwal atleast search your own leaks before making BS accusations that ISI sends its agents on Suicide attack missions. Even a five year old knows that no agency would waste its agents like this

That's why i also give rediff link, there are other links as well. What is more important is that it was on Shuhada corner and his place of death is listed in India.


There is Jung article as well in Urdu.

Even the Hospital staff has acknowledge that they treated that person.

PS - One more point is that it was not Indian Army who made such claim because of the sensitive matter but media when it was covering the KIA list of Pak during Kargil war.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Bite me!

 

[IceCold]

Atleast you agree that the first step after the commission is Pakistan removing its fighters and all non-native subjects from the whole of princely state of Kashmir...
Now to your point , The commission was there when the resolution was passed. Check this link to get the actual content of the UN resolution.

http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/47(1948)

Here is the snippet.

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I have already gone through the link and this does not state anything which I don't already know. My point is since Pakistan continues to highlight Kashmir issue and with this in mind that the moment UN resolution will be implemented, Pakistan will have to withdraw, now what is holding India back? Show me where has India even asked for the implementation of UN resolution over Kashmir? All I keep hearing is that it's internal matter of India. India itself is not willing to accept any third party intervention, like I said You can't have the cake and eat it today. Either India accepts UN resolution over Kashmir ask them to form a commission and under that Pakistan will have to withdraw and after that so would India or India can continue playing games as evident. You cannot be selective in what resolution you want to be implemented and what not.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I have already gone through the link and this does not state anything which I don't already know. My point is since Pakistan continues to highlight Kashmir issue and with this in mind that the moment UN resolution will be implemented, Pakistan will have to withdraw, now what is holding India back? Show me where has India even asked for the implementation of UN resolution over Kashmir? All I keep hearing is that it's internal matter of India. India itself is not willing to accept any third party intervention, like I said You can't have the cake and eat it today. Either India accepts UN resolution over Kashmir ask them to form a commission and under that Pakistan will have to withdraw and after that so would India or India can continue playing games as evident. You cannot be selective in what resolution you want to be implemented and what not.

You really need spoon feeding...

In January 1948, the Security Council adopted resolution 39 (1948)

, establishing the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan (UNCIP) to investigate and mediate the dispute. In April 1948, by itsresolution 47 (1948)

, the Council decided to enlarge the membership of UNCIP and to recommend various measures including the use of observers to stop the fighting. At the recommendation of UNCIP, the Secretary-General appointed the Military Adviser to support the Commission on military aspects and provided for a group of military observers to assist him. The first team of unarmed military observers, which eventually formed the nucleus of the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP), arrived in the mission area in January 1949 to supervise, in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the ceasefire between India and Pakistan and to assist the Military Adviser to UNCIP.

http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/unmogip/background.shtml

It is Pakistan which didn't adhere to the UN resolution by removing its troops back. First hand over the territory back to India before asking for any plebiscite call.

 

[volatile]

Its time Sikh of Khalistan also start there movement against Indian armed aggression and to their self determination . Kashmir is not India's internal matter it is a disputed territory and root cause of all problems b/w India and Pak .Killing Kashmiris will only ignite more flames and there blood is on the hands of Indian`s who have been committing genocide for decades in the valley ,Kashmiris have shown who they want to join i.e Pakistan .In time there will be Khalistan our neighbour not India

 

[IceCold]

You really need spoon feeding...c

No I don't. I am just amazed at your selective approach to these resolution while ignoring the rest, most important of which India's refusal to accept Kashmir as a disputed territory and considering it it's internal matter. Makeup your mind first.

India's position is quite clear UN resolutions have lost their validity after Shimla.

As on topic, never will India agree that Kashmir is disputed and Pakistan will always claims that Kashmir is disputed. and International community has lost interest in Kashmir.

However, India and Pakistan may fight. The broad solution will be LOC as IB with Kashmiris on both side given a chance to migrate to other side according to their wishes.

Your friend wants Pakistan to adhere to these resolution while not for India.
Agreed with the rest of the post in a sense that is no diplomatic solution to this. The closest anyone came to resolve this was the Agra summit during Musharraf and Vajpayee tenure.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

No I don't. I am just amazed at your selective approach to these resolution while ignoring the rest, most important of which India's refusal to accept Kashmir as a disputed territory and considering it it's internal matter. Makeup your mind first.


Your friend wants Pakistan to adhere to these resolution while not for India.
Agreed with the rest of the post in a sense that is no diplomatic solution to this. The closest anyone came to resolve this was the Agra summit during Musharraf and Vajpayee tenure.

This dilly dally aproach by pakistan asking for all the details first and then not agreeing to it has resulted in the delay and UN resolution lost its relevance. This is the whole point which we are trying to explain to you.. That if you talk about UN resolution then you need to start from the point where it needs to be started, that is, Pakistan to vacate its area and give it back... as per India;s stand, it is very clear which is in line with the world opnion as well, that UN resolution has lost its relevance because of the changed demographics, culture shift and political changes in both the countries. The solution to this problem is now lies with in the ambit of Indian constitution. Nothing else.
When ever Pakistani tries to bring UN resolution here, then I will ask them to implement their part first, then we will talk about UN resolution, even though it is not relevant for us.

 

[Baby Leone]

ohhh this poor muslim politician of India Mr. Salman we can understand why u need to say all this being a minority in india. poor soul

 

[IceCold]

This dilly dally aproach by pakistan asking for all the details first and then not agreeing to it has resulted in the delay and UN resolution lost its relevance. This is the whole point which we are trying to explain to you.. That if you talk about UN resolution then you need to start from the point where it needs to be started, that is, Pakistan to vacate its area and give it back... as per India;s stand, it is very clear which is in line with the world opnion as well, that UN resolution has lost its relevance because of the changed demographics, culture shift and political changes in both the countries. The solution to this problem is now lies with in the ambit of Indian constitution. Nothing else.
When ever Pakistani tries to bring UN resolution here, then I will ask them to implement their part first, then we will talk about UN resolution, even though it is not relevant for us.

Cut this crap will you. Your ministers are on record saying Kashmir is internal matter of India and here you are trying to prove Pakistan backed out? Are you for real? If India was so sure about the outcome it would have already gone for a plebiscite exposing Pakistan to the world but that did not happen, instead India changed its entire game and started calling this as an internal matter of India.
Isnt this thread saying the same, so what are you yapping about?

 

[TMA]

It cannot be just an internal affair of Bharat as Kashmir is a disputed territory between Bharat and Pakistan.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Cut this crap will you. Your ministers are on record saying Kashmir is internal matter of India and here you are trying to prove Pakistan backed out? Are you for real? If India was so sure about the outcome it would have already gone for a plebiscite exposing Pakistan to the world but that did not happen, instead India changed its entire game and started calling this as an internal matter of India.
Isnt this thread saying the same, so what are you yapping about?

Terroism in Kashmir is obviously bilateral issue as Pakistan is pushing it. But your ministers are not ready to discuss it.
We have been discussing Kashmir for so long, what is the output? Many talks happened, many meetings happened, many wars fought, many people died, the situation is same as it was in 48. Not an inch has changed with few exceptions. So for me talking to Pakistan on Kashmir is of no use as you are closed minded people who are adamant in getting resolved in your religious mindset, which India is never gonna accept. So best is to respect the LOC and move ahead, with that said, anything happening in our kashmir is India;s internal matter. I rest my case.

 

[krash]

If you do not know then the best thing you can do is keep quiet.....or discuss things which you may know better

Or, for the sake of the person who saw it fit for you to be a think tank, you could always read the posts a bit more carefully, realise what is being said in them and then walk away quietly when clear that you did not get what was being said in the post the first time you read it. You know, as opposed to posting and arguing on a redundant sentence just for the sake of argument since you can't actually argue the actual point being made in the said post.

Mosque is never a house of god, it is just a facilitation building. Please get your fact right.

Pray do tell how a mosque is not a house of God, when in Islamic theology the first definition of the mosque is such. Why do you need to speak out of thin air without knowing jack squat about what is being talked about?

There is not even an iota of truth in any of your statement.

If you say so........... I mean that is all that you base everyone of your arguments on......

1. Yes , the whole world keeps saying that it is India and pakistan to decide.

Right......

2. I never said, kashmir is not an issue between the two. The mere claim on Indian side of kashmir by pakistan without bringing other areas as well, is my problem. Either work towards reasonable solution of converting LOC into IB or discuss whole of Kashmir including baltistan and gilgit.

What? What does this have to do with anything in my post?

3. Kindly explain what commitment were not honored by Indian government during mushraff era?

You know, the one you and your people stand 'oh so firmly' by; 'resolving the issue of Kashmir through bilateral talks', which you only standby as much as you standby the betterment of the Kashmiri people.

and yes thanks for admiiting that any disruption in kashmir is because of your active support to these militants.

Pray do tell how and where did I say what which constituted as an admittance of "any disruption in kashmir is because of your active support to these militants"?

Had your opinion actually been unbiased you would not played blind to the fact that when that local freedom-fighter, Burhan Wani, was martyred there were thousands upon thousands of local unarmed Kashmiris out in the streets protesting against Indian brutality and occupation, raising Pakistani flags and pro Pakistani slogans. They still haven't gone home. So much for Indian claims that 1) everything is instigated by "militants from across the LOC", 2) Only a handful of locals are against India, that too on Pakistan's encouragement and 3) Kashmiris don't want anything to do with Pakistan.

As far as Pakistani support for the innocent, subjugated and powerless Kashmiris is concerned, we will always support them in whatever way we can exactly the same way we have always claimed to.

4. Peaceful people ..laughable claim.......we are seeing lot of your peaceful people around the world leaving the mark of pakistani nation in the form of all kind of anti-social activities.

Rhetoric rhetoric........but sure, if you say so.


With regards to any future idiotic claims and comments, whatever floats your boat mate.