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There’s enough by way of ‘war against terror’ at home

As war rages in Syria, more and more countries are gearing up to jump into the fray. The protracted war has spawned two opposing camps: pro-Assad and anti-Assad. Russia and Iran have been actively propping up the Assad regime by fighting against a range of extremist organisations, including the self-styled Islamic State.

The United States, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia (along with other Arab countries) want to see the back of Assad. The Assad regime is America’s bête noire on account of its association with Iran, an avowed enemy of Israel. With the ouster of Assad, Iran will lose an ally and a foothold in the Middle East.

Commenting on the issue political analyst Dr Faizullah Jan told DNA that alarmed by the rise of Shia Houthis in the neighbouring Yemen, Saudi Arabia has upped ante against Iran by bringing other Arab and Gulf monarchies on an anti-Iran platform. The kingdom was unnerved when Iran signed a landmark nuclear deal with six world powers, including the United States, which freed the state from almost 40 years of punishing sanctions.

Dr Faizullah added that Pakistan seems to be on the brink of being sucked into the Syrian war with no strategic interests of its own.

“When Saudi Arabia announced a 34-country ‘alliance against terrorism,’ Pakistan — seemingly — was caught unawares. Even now, it has to clarify where it stands in the murky situation.”

However, there are serious consequences for Pakistan if it chooses to be a party to the war, which is marked by sectarian and regional rivalries. Sectarian violence has always strained the social and cultural fabric of Pakistan.

Now that Saudi and Turkish ground troops are poised to intervene in Syria in support of their extremist allies, Pakistan will definitely face pressure on account of its strategic relations with the House of Saud. Pakistan’s covert or overt role in the Syrian war will unleash sectarianism inside the country.

Adding to what Dr Faizullah stated, political analyst Yasmeen Aftab Ali said that this is not the first time Saudi Arab wants Pakistan to fight its war. In Yemen, Pakistan refused to fight the war for Saudis and rightly.

Yasmeen added that of the coalition countries, only Pakistan and Turkey have armies of strength in number and quality. The whole brunt would fall on the shoulders of Pakistan and Turkey.

Pakistan must also keep in mind while taking the decision, that Pakistan needs Russia and Iran on their side in the upcoming China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs clarification

Well known academic and columnist Yasser Latif Hamdani thinks that Pakistan should steer clear of the Saudi coalition. Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs to be clarified. What would our commitment be? Are we sending planes? Ground troops? It would inevitably mean pitting ourselves against the Iranians. Pakistan cannot afford to take sides in this fratricidal conflict.

Yasser added that the war is likely to complicate many matters. US and Saudi Arabia want to fight ISIS and Assad. Turkey wants to fight ISIS and PKK and also wants to topple Assad. US wants to support the Kurds against ISIS and against Assad. This obviously goes against Turkey’s legitimate interests. Meanwhile, Russia has put its might behind Assad against the rebels and ISIS. Broadly speaking, US and Saudi Arabia are going to attempt to shore up as many anti-Assad and anti-ISIS groups as possible, which also means supporting the rebels, many of whom have a dubious past.

So what should Pakistan’s role be?

Yasser said Pakistan’s should play a conciliatory role between Turkey and Russia, between Saudi Arabia and Iran, between Assad and Turkey and between US and Russia.

“Once ISIS is taken care of, resolving the Syria crisis would become much easier. Our position till there are any clear winners in this conflict should be to support the legitimate Syrian government i.e., Assad’s regime,” said Yasser.

Political analyst Jalal Hussain opined that Pakistan’s muddled foreign policy stance on the Middle East crisis stems from not having a formal channel through which foreign policy is formulated. Currently Pakistan’s foreign policy seems to be devised by three concurrent channels, the foreign office, the prime minister and the military.

The Middle Eastern crisis has exposed the fact that these stakeholders are not on the same page. The government’s reluctance on appointing a full time foreign minister is quite baffling, given Pakistan’s geopolitical position, he said.

Jalal added that the government wants to appease the Saudis given the personal links the prime minster enjoys with the Saudi royalty, but are facing resistance from the military and the foreign office who realise that taking positions in this conflict might lead to Pakistan facing the brunt of potential fallout.

Journalist Kunwar Khuldune Shahid was of the opinion that Pakistan’s foreign policy – on paper – showcases a desire to remain neutral in Saudi-Iran conflicts or mediate between the two – which is what Pakistan endeavoured to do last month.

“Historically Pakistan’s ostensible neutrality has been marred by its ‘acquiescence’ to Saudi petrodollars – $2.5 billion was charged to send forces to Syria and Bahrain in 2014,” said Khuldune.

“But with last year’s Iran nuclear deal, it’s evident that Pakistan benefits even more from trade and energy sharing ties with a country it shares the border with. This in turn means calling for Bashar al-Assad to be a part of any solution in Syria, in addition to rethinking Pakistani military services in countering popular Shi’a rebellions in Bahrain and Yemen.”

Khuldune added that the only position Pakistan should take is against ISIS. With Pakistanis fleeing to fight for ISIS and local jihadist groups gravitating towards the terror group as well, the only business that Pakistan should get itself involved in is the war against ISIS.

Political and defence analyst Faraz Darvesh told DNA there are still doubts what Saudi Arabia wants to achieve in the Middle East and mainly in Syria. Saudi Arabia has had a history of supporting groups like ISIS to throw Bashar Al-Assad in Syria.
However, recently Saudis have announced that they are ready to fight ISIS in Syria with its allies including Pakistan. The question remains open whether Saudis are forming coalition to fight Shi’a forces in Syria to weaken Iran’s influence or will it really fight ISIS? ISIS and Saudis share the Wahhabi ideology and Saudis may face local repercussions.

“The Saudis are in a tough spot because the world is now vocally questioning Wahhabi ideology and Saudi Arabia is seen as ideological base and financial pipeline in the spread of Wahhabism,” said Faraz.

Pakistan must focus on militarily and ideologically defeating its internal enemies such as LeJ, SSP, TTP, Jundullah, and al Qaeda and improve its relations with its neighbours.
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What we are witnessing here is an American coalition versus Russia trying to stamp their authority in Syria. Russia has the upper hand and is calling the shots. The Russian air strikes have destroyed American sponsored rebels. The Americans are enraged and totally clueless. They are desperate to create some sort of a farcical coalition to regain the upper hand and save some face. Too little too late. Crying over spilt milk. Every country approached to join this meaningless coalition is refusing to be any part of it. Furthermore, American/Saudi fetish to overthrow Assad and install a puppet which only nods at their approval has failed miserably.

ISIS is today conquering regions due to the American failed war in Iraq. The Yanks as usual leave regions high and dry after waging illogical wars and destroying entire countries in the process. Just look at Iraq today as an example. A totally failed country. A ruthless group like ISIS gets space to grow and spread their evil ideology from Iraq to Syria and beyond. This is the end result folks.

Pakistan better keep out of this ISIS mess. This isn't our fight. Let the Americans along with her allies figure this out.
 
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Pakistan must focus on militarily and ideologically defeating its internal enemies such as LeJ, SSP, TTP, Jundullah, and al Qaeda and improve its relations with its neighbours.

Well since the day one I heard about this group, I am opposing the involvement of Pakistan. Pakistan should not join it. We have bigger problems to deal with in Pakistan. We are already fighting with terrorism. What is operation Zarb e Azb and Karachi operation for? We are playing our part.
We seriously need to check on our priorities. We really do.

Pakistan should has to help saudia

No. Pakistan has to help Pakistan first. Period.
 
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Pakistan should has to help saudia
Hamaray apnay baray phaday hain pehlay unko to nipta lein

Pakistan would be crazy to even get involved. Pakistan will stay neutral. No need to be involved in this horrible mess.
Kisi kay upar Ya Sheikha nay ehsan kiya ab us ahsan ko chukanay ka waqt hay aur wo ye mulk chukaye ga
 
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Hamaray apnay baray phaday hain pehlay unko to nipta lein
Well we have to find space for them otherwise the pace we loosing friends very soon we will be alone I think military will find ways to help them too .

Hamaray apnay baray phaday hain pehlay unko to nipta lein


Kisi kay upar Ya Sheikha nay ehsan kiya ab us ahsan ko chukanay ka waqt hay aur wo ye mulk chukaye ga
I don't buy ur logic it's personal u meant NS but they helped when u were under nuclear sanctions.this is meant to help them back don't need to chicken out .

Pakistan would be crazy to even get involved. Pakistan will stay neutral. No need to be involved in this horrible mess.
I don't think so what ur neutral mean ?why u don't say legs r shaking when time to give favour back meetha meetha hup hup kerwa kerwa thu thu won't work .

Pakistan should has to help saudia
Pak has no option to stay neutral they will go with GCC end of the it's our ties and interests with them what Assad or Iran can offer us how much they helped us in our times not talking shah era they screwed us by giving centrifuges to IAEA that put our nuclear program under spot light thanks again to Bush Govt they let us go only sacking of AQ khan .its was a huge favour that US gave us otherwise if they wanted put Pak under sanction again on polifiration issue .
 
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really speaking if Pakistan stay out of this coalition we will lose our influence over MENA and Turkey and we will also lose huge amount of foreign investment and millions of Pakistani's life will depend upon this and we all know that Iranians will won't give a fcuk to this thing.. and then India will have a full control over MENA+Iran....

Pakistan will be the final looser, if we stayed out..
 
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Pakistan should just remain neutral at the moment focus on eliminating TTP and other terrorist groups in our country, improve economy and than think about thinking of intervening in any other conflict.
 
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Pakistan isn't staying neutral by staying out of this; it's declaring support for the Ayatollahs. This decision was taken under pressure from the sectarian fifth-columnists working for the Ayatollahs.

Pakistan needs to clean house with those Syed Meer Jafar Ali's and send them on a trip back to Safavi Iran, where they belong. Industan was destroyed when they arrived.

Can any Pakistani ever compare the help given by Saudi and Turkey to Pakistan with that of the Iranian Ayatollahs?? What do Pakistanis have in common with them? They're a bunch of Lebanese imported into Iran who have destroyed Persian culture.

While the Salafis were fighting colonialism and being sent to Kala Paani, the Safavis were arriving in Industan, betraying the Industanis and being made feudals.

"This ground-breaking and controversial work locates the antecedents of today's Islamic 'fundamentalism' in 16th and 17th century Iran and the forced conversion of the Sunnite population of Iran to the largely alien doctrines of Twelver Shi'ism; the concomitant extirpation of Sufism and philosophy; and the gradual rise of the 'faqih' or jurist."

Islam Without Allah?: The Rise of Religious Externalism in Safavid Iran: Colin Turner: 9781138010673: Amazon.com: Books
 
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Well we have to find space for them otherwise the pace we loosing friends very soon we will be alone I think military will find ways to help them too .


I don't buy ur logic it's personal u meant NS but they helped when u were under nuclear sanctions.this is meant to help them back don't need to chicken out .


I don't think so what ur neutral mean ?why u don't say legs r shaking when time to give favour back meetha meetha hup hup kerwa kerwa thu thu won't work .


Pak has no option to stay neutral they will go with GCC end of the it's our ties and interests with them what Assad or Iran can offer us how much they helped us in our times not talking shah era they screwed us by giving centrifuges to IAEA that put our nuclear program under spot light thanks again to Bush Govt they let us go only sacking of AQ khan .its was a huge favour that US gave us otherwise if they wanted put Pak under sanction again on polifiration issue .
Help them incase of an internal rebellion or foreign attack but dont get involved in their foreign expeditions its destructive for us
 
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Pakistan will stay neutral. No need to be involved in this horrible mess.
What if supporting Turkey clear the path of Altay in PA?
What if supporting KSA will grant us enough money to overcome all debts ?
Just think about it
:azn:


We have shown enough flexibility towards Iran for our sake ...... but if KSA or Turkey are attacked then Pakistan will respond with arms......
 
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I don't think so what ur neutral mean ?why u don't say legs r shaking when time to give favour back meetha meetha hup hup kerwa kerwa thu thu won't work .
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Neutral means saving lives. What do you mean legs shaking? Pakistan has done plenty of favours for many nations. Now it's time for the nation to do itself a favour and look after its own interests.

What if supporting Turkey clear the path of Altay in PA?
What if supporting KSA will grant us enough money to overcome all debts ?
Just think about it
:azn:


We have shown enough flexibility towards Iran for our sake ...... but if KSA or Turkey are attacked then Pakistan will respond with arms......

The Altay thing can be done without this whole venture bro. The Saudis will also no way bail any of Pakistan's debts. Even if they did, what sort of message does that send i.e. the nation can't take care of itself. If any such deal did happen, only the ruling elite would benefit anyway, not the common man.
No one will attack Saudi or Turkey. They are both capable of defending against threats. But yes, if hypothetically speaking something did happen, Pakistan should help immediately.
 
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Pakistan isn't staying neutral by staying out of this; it's declaring support for the Ayatollahs. This decision was taken under pressure from the sectarian fifth-columnists working for the Ayatollahs.

Pakistan needs to clean house with those Syed Meer Jafar Ali's and send them on a trip back to Safavi Iran, where they belong. Industan was destroyed when they arrived.

Can any Pakistani ever compare the help given by Saudi and Turkey to Pakistan with that of the Iranian Ayatollahs?? What do Pakistanis have in common with them? They're a bunch of Lebanese imported into Iran who have destroyed Persian culture.

While the Salafis were fighting colonialism and being sent to Kala Paani, the Safavis were arriving in Industan, betraying the Industanis and being made feudals.

"This ground-breaking and controversial work locates the antecedents of today's Islamic 'fundamentalism' in 16th and 17th century Iran and the forced conversion of the Sunnite population of Iran to the largely alien doctrines of Twelver Shi'ism; the concomitant extirpation of Sufism and philosophy; and the gradual rise of the 'faqih' or jurist."

Islam Without Allah?: The Rise of Religious Externalism in Safavid Iran: Colin Turner: 9781138010673: Amazon.com: Books

We aren't on any side.

Just because we are staying out of this mess doesn't mean we're picking the Iranian side. The Iranians, Saudis, Americans and the rest are all guilty of destabilizing and creating unrest in the Middle East. They support proxy groups against each other.

Let me be very clear on this. Apart from faith we don't share anything with these people. That includes the Iranians and Arabs. We're Pakistanis and we have to look out for our own interest. That's it.

Pakistanis are sick of picking sides. This isn't our war and we didn't create ISIS. Let the ones who are responsible for the creation of ISIS finish off what they started.
 
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We aren't on any side.

Just because we are staying out of this mess doesn't mean we're picking the Iranian side. The Iranians, Saudis, Americans and the rest are all guilty of destabilizing and creating unrest in the Middle East. They support proxy groups against each other.

Pakistanis are sick of picking sides. This isn't our war and we didn't create ISIS. Let the ones who are responsible for the creation of ISIS finish off what they started.
We should support them only diplomatically and in form of training no PAK Army boots in Syria
 
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