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Pakistan has been offered the Chinese 4th generation J-11 (SU27)

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It is nothing new when planes that are beign put through their paces crash---test pilots are killed---changes are made and life goes on.

Didn't we hear that a couple of F 22 had crashed over the years---even a B 2 bomber crashed somewhere in guam at take off---. Birds that fly do come down as well.

As for not disclosing the info about the crashes---that is how the chinese are---they are learning their limitations regarding their own engine.
 
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As for not disclosing the info about the crashes---that is how the chinese are---they are learning their limitations regarding their own engine.
so far all the operational J-10s are using russian engines.AL-31F(FN) is a mature turbofan engine, but not flawless.
eg:there occurred sevral engine failures on PLAAF Su-27s due to the poor quality of oil-centrifugal-breather,one of which caused the crash and killed the pilot.
fatal crash accident
AL-31F centrifugal-breather

J-10 suffered several in-flight shutdowns due to engine lubrication system malfunction,since there's a design flaw with its oil unit. so it's been redesigned.


"As for not disclosing the info about the crashes"----plz keep in mind that English is not our native language.
people-daily reports on some accidents including a crash early this month:http://military.people.com.cn/GB/1076/52966/11646767.html
 
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Stealth version of J-11 fighter
 
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Amazing attack power: F-14 will debut in China
Lin Zuo-ming, general manager for the group, Geng Ruguang deputy general manager in July, twice in a flight SAC will be held in the spirit of the work site and left-Ming Lin, general manager of the development of a model plane made four-point demand, an aircraft flying swiftly Shen, Luo Yang General Manager signed the "Scientific Research on a type of aircraft to ensure that the task order"; Party jointly issued the "leading cadres in carrying out their work style, improve execution, to ensure that major tasks to complete throughout the year to discuss activities and satisfaction assessment notice" cadres and staff participation in research required to fully understand the significance of developing a type of aircraft, no matter how difficult, must be on quality, quantity, security progress to complete the task.

Recently, a flight SAC quickly go up in enthusiasm, the leadership of General Manager Yang Luo and others were led to the finished product contracted to coordinate the resolution of plant product supply; company set up a working group on site to coordinate the production line technique to solve quality problems; production department issued a rush plan; the research units participating each day 8 am to 8 pm, organization staff shift production.

In the August 5 meeting of cadres regular meeting, party secretary Yang Mrs Cheong has further requested the leading cadres should change their style, improve execution and enhance awareness of responsibility, the overall situation, do take the initiative as a positive work; all participating research units must conscientiously implement the Luo Yang, general manager of research and the implementation of the task orders require signed, according to military order signed with the various units of time and a clear task node, according to the company's rush to develop plans, carefully organize production, Xinghao tough fight to win.

This message is wondering the most is "a model" 3 words.

"A model" is what models do?

I think it is the rumor true long fourth-generation fighter in China, namely, J-14.

I agree with the following on the analysis of China's fourth-generation aircraft:

For years, many fans regard the FC-1 aircraft positioned on the level of underachievement that the country will not equipment, but only for export. Can now be produced for own country is out of 250! Special mention "FC-1 performance far exceeded expectations." The other news is not surprising that the actual production of J-10 issue, now the figure is more than 30 aircraft. This just proved everyone's speculation, single F-10 just over models, more powerful role yet to come. Contact the nearest J-14 Legend, and the looming twin Jian Shi's hazy ideas are truly a kind of beauty makes the approach of the blush of excitement? The two are linked together, there is a little idea, that is, the F-14, F-10 twin like the real version - the fourth-generation fighters will be available in advance, its progress beyond the decision of the people now imagine.

Prior to this development and future plans of American military advisers 罗伯特科尔 Adrover said: China's Jian-10 a large number of equipment units, in accordance with the usual "equipment generation, development of generation, design generation" development principles, reason to believe that China has begun The development of next-generation fighter, according to the present situation, J-14 began in 2008 may test (or at least predicted the F-14 was introduced in).

He said: According to China's consistent sequence of models developed fighter mode, J-10 is the combined product of foreign technology, improved F-11 is the Su-27. The F-13 In the fifties and sixties of last century was called the "156 Project", J-14 is known as "East Wind 153" project. In 2002, China began to carry out F-13, F-14's development, but the military requirement must have the stealth fighter combat capability, and secondly to achieve sustained supersonic flight capabilities, but the Chinese fighter engine parts, has no progress.

Before contacting a number of stealth fighters on China's breakthrough feature of the development problem, and issued by the Shenyang Liming Air Group developed the Taihang, Kunlun, made two models of turbofan engine mature (2002 AVIC officially demonstrate to the outside, so far is 6 years in the past), the fourth-generation fighter technology in fact has basically break the bottleneck.

There is also a message from the users more interesting that the AVIC models in a few planes on the division of Dah Sing: research by the CAC J-10, XAC will be developed based on the J-10 J-13, while China's new commitment generation bomber (F-15 have said, I doubt this name) research and development, and have three generations of China's 12 major aircraft manufacturer Shenyang Aircraft F-14 is a major key.

Now, J-10 has become available, before, J-H-based Flying Leopard fighter flying from west to launch early, so he just flew in F-10 and Flying Leopard development of new generation bomber based on the news is certainly beautifully shy of (compared to fighter, bomber and updating of the Chinese seem more urgent), produced by the most technical fighter strength (Dawn Air Group and Shenyang Aircraft Research Institute issued the technical resources), the Shenyang J-14 main attack, of course, is the best choice.

It is also worth noting that AVIC I and China, two aircraft are in the pipeline capital assets (160 billion) merger of large restructuring, the new China Aviation Industry Group, will come out in 8,9 month, Air China, the veterans of a left-Ming Lin is preparations for the merger restructuring team leader (should be reorganized, chairman of the China Aviation Industry Group), which is China's aviation industry following the establishment of the China Commercial Aircraft Company (large civil aircraft production) followed by a huge movement, after the merger China Aviation Industry Group in the military aviation industry technology, production and R & D Zaishangtaijie. According to informed sources revealed that after the merger of CNAC affiliated companies, one of the most benefit will be the former little brother XAC group - so, take flight from the west and the new F-13 bombers of the R & D may also Kaopu .

SAC the most elite of the technology is now of course is that J-11 Su-27, F-14 technical and function to a certain extent also closer to the F-11 - heavy fighter.

Had heard, in fact, J-10, R & D primarily to the first generation of Chinese-made equipment, aircraft carriers, so this also explains why China should be separate from the SAC system, developing a small but excellent F-10 fighter technology, long ago, China has officially declared that 300,000 tons of production aircraft have all the core technology, or is this also true for the J-10 to find a strategic destination.

Germany's "Asian Aviation" article entitled, "off of the Chinese Air Force," the article said, China's re-launched in 1996 for the F-13, F-14 design. But then the outbreak of the Taiwan Strait crisis, the People's Liberation Army emergency purchase of Russian fighter second, caused J 13, J-14 project has been slow. The report quoted the United Kingdom, "Jane's Defense," said the SAC and CAC are being developed for the Chinese fourth generation fighter the Air Force, and is expected to serve in 2015, China's next generation stealth fighters will have excellent ability.

In summary, you can say for sure, China's fourth-generation fighter F-14's debut has entered the countdown stage.
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hasnain..that image is fanboy edited..aircraft sized shrinked while look at the tail bad design.
 
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In my lay man opinion, PAF dont need J-11B, for now coz of financial constraint's and maintanance headache's.

Our doctrine is defensive in nature, so we need light multirole planes like F-16's, J-10B's and JF-17 with strong radar and BVR missiles.

We must work hard on JF-17 improvment's and mean while get atleast 100 J-10B's from china to deter enemies.

:cheers::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
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One more thing J-10B, in the view of some chinese posters, a tailor made product for PAF. PLAAF is looking for a "heavy class" J-10....some articles also indicate that JXX will be a improved J-10 optimized for low observability, Super cruise and super maneuverability not built around the philosophy of Raptor of complete stealth. This is pretty interesting and seems realistic looking at PAK-FA development. So China will first mature and complete the J-10 program and then will come the any real fifth gen program.....if required. So for the time being FC-20 (J-10B) forever!
 
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Is it possible that PAF might reconsider the french Rafale option in the future? (obviously if enough funds are available to PAF).

I'm a big fan of Rafale!:D
 
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well wait for other 5 years to recover from this menas disaster we are short on money even before the disaster but now it is imposible to buy anything till next five years
 
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well wait for other 5 years to recover from this menas disaster we are short on money even before the disaster but now it is imposible to buy anything till next five years



Just the politics. We are not poor. The thugs who are in government, all of them, make us poor.

We saw the news which said Rs 500 billion corruption was found in the government in just one year.

That's what in USD? like 6 billion USD +?

More than enough to buy at least 3 squadrons of Rafale/Typhoon and support them.


Even if our economy grew at 20% per year, we still would be poor because of politicians.

I hope they all die sometime soon.
 
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More than enough to buy at least 3 squadrons of Rafale/Typhoon and support them.


Why support the economies of our enemies?? France not our enemy, think again, the West in general is hostile and will become more so, till the US initiates an action which will pit them against Pakistan - What is this frenzy of buying? Have we turned into Arbis and Indians?

Lets support our own economy, building know how and capablity in Pakistan. This fixation with the Indian will prove costly, the real enemy is only to happy to see us expend our resources towards their econmies.
 
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I personally like this aircraft very mch and wish to see them with Pakistan.
 
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J-11, well no to J-11B but what can i expect is that PAF could show interest in J-11BS (SU-30 MKK2 class) as it is more versatile. But not to take away for J-10B....it is turning out to be a real monster...even it was speculated that J-10A busted J-11B many times in mock combats.....and J-10B is a solid development over J-10A with A2A role strengthened manifold
 
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Stealth version of J-11 fighter
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Really stealth.....We'll never see this design flying.....
 
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Why support the economies of our enemies?? France not our enemy, think again, the West in general is hostile and will become more so, till the US initiates an action which will pit them against Pakistan - What is this frenzy of buying? Have we turned into Arbis and Indians?

Lets support our own economy, building know how and capablity in Pakistan. This fixation with the Indian will prove costly, the real enemy is only to happy to see us expend our resources towards their econmies.

You are right to be self-sufficient but to fill the gap we have to consider the other options available to us beside i don't think that France will sell us Rafale with the same conditions U.S give us F-16's.
 
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