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What is the situation for the PAF as far as multirole combat aircraft are concerned?In my view PAF should try to acquire J-10 as soon as possible since we lack in long range multi role aircraft+ what does pakistan airforce have to specifically challenge SU30MKI and Mirage 2000 apart from fighter aircraft? Does sams like Anza pose real threat to IAF frontline aircraft?
I am no expert of defence but in the current situation I think arming our Airforce with the best that we can afford should be a top priority...
 
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Even if PAF gets one the best fighter jets with large numbers still won't be able to defend the country. India doesn't have the best airforce in the world but still we are protecting all our borders unlike Pakistan.
come on aakash this is utterly biased! Why cant PAF protect their airspace if they get better planes? These posts will jus bring up flames!

Lastly, I feel PAF needs to upgrade immediately. The f16 is the only potent aircraft as of now if war is declared. We Indians have the better lot of planes to be frank. Like they say, Not all Air Wars are fought in the sky, SAMs do play a part, but we have to see how useful the SAMs come to be in a conflict.
 
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Even if PAF gets one the best fighter jets with large numbers still won't be able to defend the country.

Please explain this why PAF Wont be able to defend??

India doesn't have the best airforce in the world but still we are protecting all our borders unlike Pakistan.

again a childish comment! if PAF wasn't protecting all its borders then why IAF's 2 plane ran away like a coward within few minutes after violating pakistani airspace??
 
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LOL.................they couldnt defend 174 people in their city...............might as well shove up their planes & daal fed commandos............
what a joke!
 
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A foolish post from Aakash shouldnt be met with equally foolish posts. The IAF violated the airspace and was escorted out. There was no issue of cowardice. And besides the IAF wont come to bomb with a handful of planes! Trust me, Violations happen. Ask the learned members they will explain more about violations and rules of engagement.
 
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come on aakash this is utterly biased! Why cant PAF protect their airspace if they get better planes? These posts will jus bring up flames!

Lastly, I feel PAF needs to upgrade immediately. The f16 is the only potent aircraft as of now if war is declared. We Indians have the better lot of planes to be frank. Like they say, Not all Air Wars are fought in the sky, SAMs do play a part, but we have to see how useful the SAMs come to be in a conflict.
He's some troll we've banned many times, but keeps coming back.
 
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A foolish post from Aakash shouldnt be met with equally foolish posts. The IAF violated the airspace and was escorted out. There was no issue of cowardice. And besides the IAF wont come to bomb with a handful of planes! Trust me, Violations happen. Ask the learned members they will explain more about violations and rules of engagement.

yea violations happened by mistake when both air forces were on high alert. how professional! :crazy:. am sure these rules of engagement wont apply if PAF did the same
 
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I do believe mistakes happen. But 2 mistakes on same day? hmmmm, that does not happen..
So they were done deliberately.
 
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Yes, I IAF was collecting intel I believe. Nothing to do with Professionalism. Well Zardari is the one who said it was a mistake on IAFs part. IAF didnt say so!
 
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Yes, I IAF was collecting intel I believe. Nothing to do with Professionalism. Well Zardari is the one who said it was a mistake on IAFs part. IAF didnt say so!

its India's good luck or our bad luck that we have a CIA puppet as our president :angry: If it has nothing to do with professionalism, then why IAF wont do more missions like that in order to collect more intel?? what if those 2 jets got shoot down in this intel adventure??
 
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i think pakistan govt and PAF force our govt to ask china to sell J10 fighter jet to pakistan as fast as they can and im sure they do and after J 10B in future PAF seriously consider J 11B to Counter Indian Twin engine fighter jets it comes cheap than SU 27 and it is better than Su 27 of indian F 16 J 10 and J 11B would make a serious threat to IAF these three fighter jets are frontline fighter jet and they come very cheap too
 
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an increase number of J 10 from 36 to 50 as we now our frontline fighter jet stationed at sargodha we need more fighter jet to defend karachi as we know that india has Aircraft carrier and india definatly use fighter jets from AC to attack karachi we need a frontline fighter jets in karachi too to not only give answers to indian fighterjets which comes from INS veerat also give a big threat to AC we need a different type of fighter jets from china J10 J 11 and JH 7
J 10 and J 11b few squadrons to be stationed at faisal base and few squadrons near to thar desert and few in punjab and JH 7 station at masroor basr for anti ship role to bomb indian ships and possibly aircraft carrier veerat as we know our A 5 fantan are near to be retired we need to replace them with Jh 7
 
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The J-10 development programme officially began in the mid-1980s, originally intended to be a high-performance air-superiority fighter to counter then emerging third-generation fighters such as F-16 and MiG-29. However, the end of the Cold War and changing requirements shifted the development towards a multirole fighter with both air-to-air and ground attack mission capabilities. This change was partially due to financial reasons, but more importantly it was a reflection of People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)’s transformation from solely the air defence role to a more balanced power with both defensive and offensive capabilities.

The J-10 fighter marks the highest achievement of the Chinese aviation industry in the 20th century. The programme involved a significant amount of new technologies, including composite materials, computerised flight-control (“fly-by-wire”), advanced avionics, computer-aided design and manufacturing (CAD/CAM), etc. In the J-10 programme, China not only obtained a modern fighter aircraft, but also gained considerable knowledge and experience in designing and developing modern combat aircraft. The programme has also benefited from Israeli and Russian technologies, including the fly-by-wire (FBW) software and AL-31FP turbofan engines.

The J-10 made its first successful flight on 22 March 1998. After five years of flight test at the China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE), the aircraft entered service with the PLAAF on 10 March 2003, when six pre-production variant single-seat J-10s were handed over to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base / 13th Test Regiment at the Cangzhou Airbase. Further tests and evaluation of the aircraft were carried out by the PLAAF before it was certified for design finalisation in early 2004. The first operational J-10 fighter unit was activated in the PLAAF 44th Air Division / 132nd Fighter Regiment based at Luliang Airbase in Yuannan Province on 13 July 2004.

The initial batch of 80~100 examples in both the single-seat variant and two-seater variant ( J-10S) were delivered to the PLAAF between 2004 and 2006. It was estimated that a total of 300 aircraft may be required by the PLAAF and PLA Navy. A number of countries including Pakistan, Iran, and Thailand have also shown strong interest in the aircraft. In March 2007, the Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistani Air Force told the press that the country was finalising a deal with China to purchase up to 32~40 J-10 fighters, with the delivery expected to take place in 2009. [1]

The J-10 programme was kept under tight security and high secrecy. The Chinese state media only announced the J-10 in November 2006, nearly two years after it entered service. Despite the huge publicity the J-10 has enjoyed on the Chinese media, no official data has been provided regarding the actual capabilities and performance of the aircraft. Without basic data such as the aircraft’s dimension and weight, one can only make estimates based on information available from open sources. The real performance of the aircraft, however, remains a state secret.

J-10S

The two-seater J-10S fighter-trainer is identical to the single-seater variant in performance and avionic configuration, but has its forward fuselage stretched to accommodate a second pilot seat. Two pilots sit in tandem in the two-seat cockpit with one single large bubble canopy. An enlarged dorsal spine accommodates additional avionic for the second pilot. The aircraft can be used for pilot training or as a standard fighter. A Chinese report suggested that the aircraft could also be modified for the airborne command & control aircraft role, with the rear-seat pilot being the commander of a small four-plane formation.

Design
As well as adopting advanced aerospace technologies, the J-10 also uses proven reliable designs to lower the technical difficult and costs. For example, the “tailless delta-canard” configuration was developed from the knowledge of the cancelled Chengdu J-9 fighter, while the computerised flight control was derived from software originally developed for the Israeli Lavi fighter. The AL-31F engine has been used by some of the most successful Russian fighters such as the Su-27, Su-30 and Su-33.

611 institute (Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute) initiated studied on the “tailless delta-canard” wing planform as early as the late 1960s. The short take-off and fast climbing capabilities of the fighters with such a wing planform was viewed as a major advantage by the PLAAF facing the threats of the predominant Soviet air power. In contrast to the classical tail-mounted elevators, the “tailless delta-canard” configuration has the horizontal control surfaces moved forward to become a canard in front of the wing. When the aircraft pitches up, instead of forcing the tail down decreasing overall lift, the canard lifts the nose, increasing the overall lift. Because the canard is picking up the fresh air stream instead of the wake behind the main wing, the aircraft can achieve better control authority with a smaller-size control surface, thus resulting in less drag and less weight.

The J-10 adopts an adjustable, chin-mounted air intake that supplies air to the single Lyulka-Saturn AL-31FN afterburning turbofan jet engine. The upper portion of the air intake is incorporated with an intake ramp designed to generate a rearward leaning oblique shock wave to aid the inlet compression process. The ramp sits at an acute angle to deflect the intake airstream from the longitudinal direction. This design created a gap between the air intake and the forward fuselage, and requires six small beams to enhance the structure for high-speed flight.

The tailless delta-canard configuration is inherently aerodynamically unstable, which provides a high level of agility, particularly at supersonic speeds. However, this requires a sophisticated computerised control system, or “fly-by-wire” (FBW), to provide artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope. The J-10 uses a digital quadruplex (four-channel FBW system developed by the 611 Institute. The software for the FBW system was developed by the 611 Institute using ADA language, based on the software originally developed for the cancelled Israeli Lavi fighter. The system was tested on the J-8IIACT technology demonstration aircraft.

The pilot sits in the cockpit located above the air intake and in front of the canard. The two-piece bubble canopy gives the pilot great vision at all directions, a vital feature during air-to-air combat. The onboard digital flight control computer ‘flies’ the aircraft for the pilot, providing automatic flight coordination and keeping the aircraft from entering potentially dangerous situations such as unintentional slops or skids. This therefore frees the pilot to concentrate on his intended tasks during the combat.

The J-10 is powered by a 122.5kN (12,500kg or 27,557 lb) thrust Salyut AL-31FN turbofan engine, with 4,500kg internal fuel. The aircraft also features a digital fuel management system to help improve fuel assumption efficiency. The combat radius of the aircraft was estimated to be 550~600km, but it could be extended to over 1,000km once the aircraft is added with the aerial refuelling capability. The aircraft can be fitted with a fixed aerial refuelling probe on the starboard side of the cockpit.
 
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J 10 is known as in western J 10 Vegarous dragon the perfect name for J 10 i hope our Airforce station them at karachi specially at faisal base and at maripur karachi bases to counter any agression of indian fighter jet from aircraft carrier of veerar and im sure harriers and some su 27 are station at indian veerat specially hariers gonna be in the flames if the face vegarous dragon as we know our all F 16 fighting falcons are stationed at lahore and sargodha india also knows it that our only one front line fighter is stationed at lahore and sargodha and they will send their most fighter jets from rajhistan and sea as they know our defences are weak compare as we know mirages and J 7 PG are stationed at faisal base and at masroor and those are not a frontline fighter jets i hope to send few squadrons of J 10 to punjab also and wehn we get new fighter F 16 also station few of them in sindh
 
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The Shenyang J-11 (Jianji-11 or Jian-11) is the Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-27 (NATo reporting name: Flanker) air-superiority fighter built by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC). The basic variant J-11, built using Russian-supplied kits, is identical to the Su-27SK. The “indigenised” multirole variant J-11B was based on the Su-27SK/J-11 airframe, but fitted with Chinese-built avionics and weapon suite. Future productions of the J-11 will also be powered by the indigenous FWS-10A ‘Taihang’ turbofan jet engine.

Su-27SK/J-11 Co-Production
In 1992, China became the first non-CIS country to operate the Sukhoi Su-27 fighter. In 1995, Russian agreed in principle to allow the PRC to build the Su-27SK single-seat fighter locally under license. In 1996, Sukhoi Company (JSC) and SAC entered into a contract worth US$2.5 billion for the co-production of 200 Su-27SK fighters as the J-11. Under the terms of the agreement, Sukhoi/KnAAPO would supply the aircraft in kit form to be assembled in SAC. It was reported that Russia also agreed to help the PRC gradually increase the portion of Chinese-made content on the J-11, so that SAC could eventually produce the aircraft independently.

The first kit-built J-11 rolled out in December 1998, but the full-scale production did not commence until 2000 due to technical problems. Russian sources confirmed that 48 aircraft had been produced by 2002, and another 48 between 2002 and 2003. However, SAC hinted as early as 2000 that not all 200 J-11s would be built. In November 2004, Russian media reported that the J-11 production had stopped after about 100 examples were built. According to the report, the Chinese side had requested Sukhoi Company to stop deliveries of the assembly kits. The report citing a source within the PLAAF suggested that the basic variant Su-27SK/J-11 no longer met the PLAAF requirements.

A number of reasons may have contributed to the stop of the J-11 production. Firstly, the co-production agreement did not include the transfer of avionics and engine technologies, and the Chinese-built J-11 would have to continue relying on the Russian supply of these systems. Secondly, the Russian-made fire-control system on the J-11 is not compatible with the Chinese missiles. As a result, the PLAAF had to import additional R-27 (AA-10) MRAAM and R-73 (AA-11) SRAAM from Russia to support the operations of its J-11s. Thirdly, as a single mission air superiority fighter, the Su-27SK/J-11 could only perform secondary attack missions, and only with “dumb” munitions that include a range of free-fall bombs and unguided rockets.

Sukhoi Company JSC actively marketed its Su-27SKM to the PRC in 2003. The Su-27SKM was a modernised multi-role variant derived from the Su-27SK, but with an improved Zhuk-27 (or N001VEP on the later variant) fire-control radar, and an upgraded cockpit featuring multifunctional displays similar to that of the Su-30MK. However, the aircraft was rejected by the PLAAF in favour of an ‘indigenised’ variant of the J-11.

J-11B Programme
In mid-2002, SAC unveiled its intention to build an upgraded multirole version of the J-11 by revealing a mock-up aircraft carrying various types of air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. Russian sources also confirmed that SAC was pursuing a multirole variant of the J-11 designated J-11B with much greater Chinese-made content. At least three examples (#523, #524, and #525) of the J-11B have been delivered to the China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE) for flight test and evaluation since 2006. The aircraft was based on the Su-27SK/J-11 airframe, but with the following modifications:

An indigenous multifunctional pulse-Doppler fire-control radar reportedly capable of tracking 6~8 targets and engaging 4 of them simultaneously;
An indigenous digital flight-control system;
A Chinese copy of the Russian OEPS-27 electro-optic search and tracking system;
A strapdown INS/GPS navigation system;
A ‘glass’ cockpit featuring four colour multifunctional displays (MFD) and a wide-angle holographic head-up display (HUD);
The aircraft could carry the Chinese-made PL-8 IR-homing SRAAM and PL-12 active radar-homing MRAAM for air-to-air combat. While the PLAAF currently has the capability for two-target engagement using the Su-27/-30 and R-77 (AA-12 Adder) combination, successful integration of the PL-12 on the J-11B would likely provide a genuine multi-target engagement capability. The J-11B is also expected to have enhanced air-to-surface attack capabilities with the indigenous precision strike ammunitions such as LT-2 laser-guided bomb, the LS-6 precision-guided glide bomb, the YJ-91 (Kh-31P) anti-radiation missile, and the KD-88 air-to-surface missile.

During the 6th Zhuhai Air Show held between 31 October and 5 November 2006, China revealed first official details about the indigenously developed FWS-10A ‘TaiHang’ turbofan engine. The engine had already been successfully tested on a modified Su-27K fighter and possibly on some J-11 airframes too. The engine is understood to be similar to the Russian Lyulka-Saturn AL-31F turbofan engine in both technology and performance. However, it is unclear whether the FWS-10A has already been fitted on the 'indigenised' variant of the J-11.

J-11BS

There has been speculation that Shenyang is currently developing a two-seater version of the J-11B, possibly designated J-11BS. The aircraft was said to be similar to the Su-27UBK fighter-trainer, but fitted with Chinese-made powerplant, avionics, and weapon suite.
 
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