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ISLAMABAD — The humanitarian and economic disaster caused by the worst floods in Pakistan's history could spark political unrest that could destabilize the government, dealing a major blow to the Obama administration's efforts to fight violent Islamic extremism.


The government's shambling response to floods that have affected a third of the country has some analysts saying that President Asif Ali Zardari could be forced from office, possibly by the military, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half its 63-year history.


Other experts caution that the state itself could collapse, as hunger and destitution trigger explosions of popular anger that was already seething over massive unemployment, high fuel prices, widespread power outages, corruption, and a bloody insurgency by extremists allied with al-Qaida.


"The powers that be, that is the military and bureaucratic establishment, are mulling the formation of a national government, with or without the PPP (Zardari's ruling Pakistan Peoples Party)," said Najam Sethi, the editor of the weekly Friday Times. "I know this is definitely being discussed.


"There is a perception in the army that you need good governance to get out of the economic crisis and there is no good governance," he said.


The Obama administration stepped up emergency aid this week to $76 million, anxious to counter the influence of Islamic extremist groups that are feeding and housing victims through charitable front organizations in areas the government hasn't reached.


Some U.S. officials worry that those groups could exploit the crisis to recruit new members and bolster their fight to impose hard-line Islamic rule on nuclear-armed Pakistan.


"I think the mid- to long-term radicalization threat accelerates because of the mass migration and the frustration that is coming from this," said Thomas Lynch, a research fellow at the National Defense University in Washington.


Pakistan is battling militant groups led by the Pakistani Taliban, whose strongholds on the country's northwestern fringe also provide bases to al-Qaida, the Afghan Taliban and allied extremists fighting NATO and Afghan troops in neighboring Afghanistan.


The Pentagon announced Friday that a three-ship task force carrying 2,000 Marines, Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, transport helicopters and relief supplies is sailing for Pakistan. It will replace the USS Peleliu, an amphibious assault vessel steaming off the port of Karachi that has lent 19 helicopters and 1,000 Marines to the aid operations.


U.S. officials, who requested anonymity so they could speak more freely, downplayed the threat of near-term political upheaval, and they dismissed the danger of a coup, saying that the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, wants the military out of politics.


"The military is perfectly happy to let the civilian government screw up," one U.S. official said. "The military does not want to take over because they get blamed for all the deficiencies in government."


The potential for serious turmoil, these U.S. officials said, will grow after the floods subside. Then the government must grapple with the task of rebuilding roads, bridges and other infrastructure and caring for millions of impoverished, mostly rural people who've lost their homes, crops and livestock.


"The Pakistani military quickly mobilized to support relief efforts in areas affected by the floods, and . . . seems to be handling things effectively," a second U.S. official said. "The popular ire so far seems directed at the (government). As with any natural disaster, the reconstruction phase can be a challenge, and that's when Pakistan's civilian agencies will need to step up to the plate. That'll be the real test."


The floods have affected 14 million people, of whom at least 1,600 have died and some 3 million have been left homeless. However, the impact will be felt throughout the impoverished country of 180 million.


The World Bank said Friday that an estimated $1 billion worth of crops have been wiped out, raising the specter of food shortages. Damage to irrigation canals, the bank added, will reduce crop yields once the floodwaters are gone.


The situation worsened Friday as authorities ordered the evacuation of Jacobabad, a city of 1.4 million people in southern Sindh province, and forecasters warned that fresh monsoon rains in the mountainous northwest would send a new wave of flooding south down the central Indus River valley over the weekend.


The PPP-led government came to power in 2008 elections that ended the last bout of military rule, which lasted eight years under Gen. Pervez Musharraf.


An economic slide that began just as the Musharraf era was ending has significantly worsened and the current administration is surviving on an International Monetary Fund bailout. It says that the floods could halve economic growth and force it to divert funds from development programs to relief efforts.


Zardari, who went on with a high-rolling official visit to France and Britain while his country grappled with its worst-ever natural disaster, is the focus of much of the anger over the government's inability to cope. He assumed control of the PPP after the assassination of his wife, former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, in December 2007.


Only the courts could legally dismiss him and the government. However, the PPP rules through a minority government, and behind-the-scenes military pressure on its coalition partners could bring it down, forcing new elections, Sethi said.


Another outright coup is considered unlikely, but few people rule it out entirely.


"If the military takes over now, I can assure you that it will be the end of Pakistan, an end which will be punctuated by a very bloody civil war," said Asad Sayeed, a political analyst. "Pakistan is a very divided country right now."


Pakistan has lurched from crisis to crisis. Its most painful episode was the breakup of the country in 1971, when then-East Pakistan seceded and became Bangladesh.


The bloody uprising in East Pakistan received a final push from Islamabad's poor response to a 1970 cyclone that killed an estimated 500,000 people. While there is no equivalent secessionist movement in what's left of Pakistan, some experts worry that the floods could boost popular support for hard-line Islamists.


"Within months of Cyclone Bhola, an ideology — Bengali nationalism — feeding off economic deprivation and post-disaster hopelessness took half the country away," columnist Moazzam Hussain reminded readers on Friday in Dawn, the main English-language daily. "This time, a renegade religious ideology — feeding off the consequences of the present disaster — is drooling to take away the remainder."



Pakistan flood crisis raises fears of country's collapse
 
no doubt the situation is bad, but Allah willing we'll come out of it in good time and fashion. All we need is honest, dedicated and able leadership, which is unfortunately currently not the case.:pakistan:
 
well, not exactly, see we have a loss not more then 3 billion $, pakistan can easily use ESF to cover up atleast 1 billion. yes, it will effect , but in a bigger picture, it cannot break the nation.

the taliban, trust me, they wont be much active in the next six months, because they are awaiting the north waziristan assault. the attack is coming near. the recent statement by mullen that american will not push pakistan for NWA is just the illusion similar to when DG ispr said in 2009 that they will not attack SWA and the next day operations started.

so untill NWA is captured, iran will not be invaded. and unless iran war reaches decisive end or absolute shemozel, americans will keep paying dollars to pakistan. and we paksitanis will remain subjugated to their agenda in one form or another.

Lesson to be learned.

our commitment as a muslim nuclear state cannot remain for ever unless all people in a nation are fed. when the roads infrastructure to human right are available for all. because if today india attacks from east and USA pulls out the ECF , CSF, then we really have to wind up nukes and their go our cockiness.

ps: long live islamic republic.
 
It is a natural calamity. I don't see how a natural calamity will result on breaking of Nation. Moreover, any one who attacks Pakistan at this time is undoubtedly the biggest looser. I mean whats the honor in Attacking one's enemy in times of great Natural Disasters?
 
Article caution that the state itself could collapse due to following reasons -

1. The government's shambling response to floods.
2. President Asif Ali Zardari could be forced from office, possibly by the military.
3. Hunger
4. Anger over massive unemployment
5. High fuel prices
6. Widespread power outages
7. Corruption
8. A bloody insurgency by extremists
9. Unable to counter the influence of Islamic extremist groups that are feeding and housing victims.
10. Rural people have lost their homes, crops and livestock.
11. Roads, bridges and other infrastructure needs to be rebuilt.
12. Damage to irrigation canals, will reduce crop yields once the floodwaters are gone.

Nowhere its mentioned that Pakistan will be attacked by other country.

It is a natural calamity. I don't see how a natural calamity will result on breaking of Nation. Moreover, any one who attacks Pakistan at this time is undoubtedly the biggest looser. I mean whats the honor in Attacking one's enemy in times of great Natural Disasters?
 
A military coup is not the same as the country's collapse in Pakistan.

And I doubt Kayani would do that.
 
Article caution that the state itself could collapse due to following reasons -

1. The government's shambling response to floods.
2. President Asif Ali Zardari could be forced from office, possibly by the military.

These reasons were already there through all these years of Zardari rule. I dont know why the word collapse is used here for the country instead of the government which would have been appropriate.

3. Hunger


Well NO with social structure mixed with fear of God Pakistani society is too responding NOT to let it happens on a large scale.


4. Anger over massive unemployment
5. High fuel prices
6. Widespread power outages
7. Corruption

These were always there nothing new and these are found in almost every developing country.

The most it can cause is collapse of current government BUT not the country


8. A bloody insurgency by extremists
9. Unable to counter the influence of Islamic extremist groups that are feeding and housing victims.

Well i dont see that any reason. Occasional outbursts would be tackled.


10. Rural people have lost their homes, crops and livestock.
11. Roads, bridges and other infrastructure needs to be rebuilt.
12. Damage to irrigation canals, will reduce crop yields once the floodwaters are gone.

Nowhere its mentioned that Pakistan will be attacked by other country.

Again its natural in a natural disaster and would need a careful long term planning

Over and all a pessimistic picture portrayed wrongly by these western media people
 
Military is definitely not happy about the way things are but Army takeover is not a possibility at the moment ... PM's flood relief fund has attracted close to zero public response because of lask of trust that's y army had to open their own aid collection points . Any possibility of Government's dismissal will be through SC orders of which army is bound to implement . The only reaction to Governments's dismissal will come from Sindh and that also in selected places.
 
@Gabbar: Why you changed original heading with this one??? To make it more sensational????? Pathetic mindset, always looking for Pakistan's collapse! Won't be happening buddy.
 
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Why do we like to waste money on relief operations after water has gone above the head level. Why dont we act sensible with intelligent choices on investment and build damns to contain these excess water.
 
WESTERN MEDIA Sir :hitwall:

Not the least surprised, the vegetarian indians are now coming up with all sort of dreamy stuff.

Here's what I have to say;

sure you can paint a picture that Pakistan will collapse; if you can please make sure that it does collapse.
If it doesn't collapse and survives this too
then the rest of the countries will need steel under pants !

:pakistan:

Waqas check URL address, it states 'http://w ww.edmontonjournal.com/news/Pakistan+flood+crisis+raises+fears+country+collapse/3394544/story.html

They changed article title later.

@Gabbar: Why you changed original heading with this one??? To make it more sensational????? Pathetic mindset, always looking for Pakistan's collapse! Won't happen buddy.

We both agree to disagree with article, OP posted for discussion.
 
Thieves compound misery in Pakistani floods - Arab News

Thieves compound misery in Pakistani floods
By ROBERT BIRSEL | REUTERS

Published: Aug 14, 2010 14:46 Updated: Aug 14, 2010 14:46




* First a deluge, now thieves

* Abandoned huts

* Thieves in boats with guns

By

KHANPUR, Pakistan, Aug 14 : Pakistani farmer Taj Mohammad was taking his family back to his flooded village on Saturday despite the danger of rising waters to protect what few possessions he had left, not from the deluge but from thieves.

Two weeks after huge floods hit Pakistan many of the 14 million people affected have yet to get any help from the government or aid groups, and amid the desperation, there are signs of increasing lawlessness.

"There's a dry patch and I'm taking my family back there," said Mohammad as he and a group of relatives, including a gaggle of children, clambered onto a trailer hitched up to a farm tractor.

The tractor would take them along a flooded road in the southern province of Sindh back to his village.

"If we don't have anyone there the robbers will come," said Taj, who has been camping out, along with thousands of other people, on the side of a road near the southern town of Sukkur since the floods struck.

"It's just for the safety of our animals and possessions," he said.

The floods, caused by unusually heavy monsoon rain over the upper Indus river basin, are Pakistan's worst natural disaster in terms of the amount of destruction and the number of people affected.

Roads and bridges have been swept away, farms and fields inundated and crops lost from the northwest of the country down to the rice-growing plains of Sindh. Up to 1,600 people have been killed.

The scale of the disaster has overwhelmed the government's capacity to cope.

Villagers near the small town of Khanpur gathered on Saturday where a road ended and a huge inland sea began. The flood was still rising with water steadily flowing across the road into fields.

The straw roofs of abandoned huts and a few hay stacks stuck out of the water not far off.

NOTHING LEFT

Many villagers moved stocks of food and other possessions onto the roofs of their homes before evacuating, in the hope they would have something to come back to.

But at least some of them will be coming back to nothing.

Farmer Mohammad Hashim said his home had been looted after he and his family left for the safety of higher ground.

"We couldn't take everything with us and dump it beside the road so we just got our family out, but when we came back, all our things were gone. There was nothing left," said Hashim.

"They came in boats with guns and took everything, all the food, all the grain," he said.

"The police are only on the roads, they don't go to the villages. They can't help," he said.

Other men standing around nodded in agreement.

"There are thieves everywhere. No one can feel secure," said one.
 
In my opinion,civilian govt hasn't responded well to this natural calamity..so whether pakistan will collapse or not??..well can't say about it... but certainly the possibility of current civilian puppet govt collapsing is very much there...resultantly,army will take control of Pakistan once again
 
@Gabbar: Why you changed original heading with this one??? To make it more sensational????? Pathetic mindset, always looking for Pakistan's collapse! Won't happen buddy.

I did not change the headline, newspaper did. Before going to sleep, I posted this and now I check the link, they have changed the headline.

If you read the article, they still refer to the original headline.
 
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