Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[MastanKhan]

not irritating you & others here , but there's an off-topic question that comes often in mind w.r.t. recent indian announcement of getting rafael jets :-

1- Does P.a.f. actually realize the strategic need for acquiring an aircraft to counter indian rafaels ?

2- if yes , then which aircrafts (do you think) for P.a.F are available in reality and suitable for the said purpose ?



the post given below was stated by mr.Oscar :-

"Its fairly transactional, except in this case the relation is more like a person indebted giving it all up. This "giving" it all up is why there is strict security around the Block-52s that Pakistan has and its upgraded MLUs...down to retina scans.
From what I gathered, any attempt to let even an authorized person near the Block-52 triggers off an Alarm that probably has the US Defence Attaché ringing up the PAF and giving them a stern warning followed up by an investigation into the incident. All clearances have US personnel approval in it. ?

Hi,

Thanks for your post-----absolutely Paf is conscious of the fact and is ready to make the move---but it is waiting for the Indians to sign the dotted line---they have not signed the contract yet.

Once the Indians make the commitment then Paf would be open to other procurements---but they don't want to show their hand at this time.

As for security around the F16----the reason is obvious----it has some really sophisticated technology and equipment----for that reason---the U S does not want no one close to it----.

That security or similar security measures should be observed with the JF 17's and the surveillance aircraft as well.

 

[Windjammer]

not irritating you & others here , but there's an off-topic question that comes often in mind w.r.t. recent indian announcement of getting rafael jets :-

1- Does P.a.f. actually realize the strategic need for acquiring an aircraft to counter indian rafaels ?

2- if yes , then which aircrafts (do you think) for P.a.F are available in reality and suitable for the said purpose ?



the post given below was stated by mr.Oscar :-

"Its fairly transactional, except in this case the relation is more like a person indebted giving it all up. This "giving" it all up is why there is strict security around the Block-52s that Pakistan has and its upgraded MLUs...down to retina scans.
From what I gathered, any attempt to let even an authorized person near the Block-52 triggers off an Alarm that probably has the US Defence Attaché ringing up the PAF and giving them a stern warning followed up by an investigation into the incident. All clearances have US personnel approval in it.

That is NOT to indicate that these aircraft are handicapped in their usage(which they can be against all enemies east or west of Pakistan save the US and its allies) , but a clear sign that whatever these aircraft carry is sophisticated and advanced enough to warrant it from falling into Chinese hands to be xerox'd."

jammer bro., does your opinion or information on the issue conform to it ?

From what i have learned from some reliable sources, it's not quite as bad as that. No doubt, the Block-52s represent cutting edge technology and Americans jealously guard it to prevent it falling into other hands, but this is not exclusive with PAF. After their Lavi dealings, the Americans allegedly also keep an eye on Israeli F-16s and all this is nothing compared to the stringent measures applied on UAEAF Block-60s. Some American commanders have unreservedly acknowledged and praised the package PAF selected for it's Block-52s.... something that's decisively proving during operations against militants.

 

[Jango]

all this is nothing compared to the stringent measures applied on UAEAF Block-60s.

These jets aren't even based in the UAE for most of the year! :p

 

[Windjammer]

These jets aren't even based in the UAE for most of the year! :p

That's only half the story, once Americans even objected for them being parked close to other exhibits.

 

[fatman17]

More Sniper ATPs Ordered for Pakistan Air Force F-16s

Posted on 14 July, 2015



Pakistan Air Force F-16B Fighting Falcon 85610 from 9 Squadron ‘Griffins’ at PAF Base Mushaf on February 18, 2007.

Lockheed Martin announced today that it has gained additional Sniper ATP orders for the PAF F-16 fleet. AFD-Alan Warnes

LOCKHEED MARTIN has received a follow-on foreign military sales contract to produce and upgrade Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATPs) for the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF’s) F-16 fleet. The contract, announced by the company today, July 14, includes the production of 15 Sniper ATPs and upgrades to the PAF’s 22 existing Sniper ATPs.

To meet the PAF’s urgent operational need, pod deliveries will begin in late 2015. Upgrades, which will increase compatibility with the aircraft and enable enhanced features, will also begin in late 2015.

“Sniper ATP has supported the Pakistan Air Force’s mission since 2010,” said Rich Lovette, Sniper international programme director at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. “Additional Sniper ATPs and upgrades will give the Pakistan Air Force a more robust precision targeting capability to support the nation’s security requirements.”

Sniper ATP provides pilots high-resolution imagery for precision targeting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Sniper ATP detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. It also supports employment of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against multiple fixed and moving targets. Sniper ATP is interoperable across multiple platforms, including US Air Force and multi-national F-15, F-16, F-18, A-10, B-1 and B-52 aircraft. AFD-Dave Allport

 

[IrbiS]

More Sniper ATPs Ordered for Pakistan Air Force F-16s

Posted on 14 July, 2015



Pakistan Air Force F-16B Fighting Falcon 85610 from 9 Squadron ‘Griffins’ at PAF Base Mushaf on February 18, 2007.

Lockheed Martin announced today that it has gained additional Sniper ATP orders for the PAF F-16 fleet. AFD-Alan Warnes

LOCKHEED MARTIN has received a follow-on foreign military sales contract to produce and upgrade Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATPs) for the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF’s) F-16 fleet. The contract, announced by the company today, July 14, includes the production of 15 Sniper ATPs and upgrades to the PAF’s 22 existing Sniper ATPs.

To meet the PAF’s urgent operational need, pod deliveries will begin in late 2015. Upgrades, which will increase compatibility with the aircraft and enable enhanced features, will also begin in late 2015.

“Sniper ATP has supported the Pakistan Air Force’s mission since 2010,” said Rich Lovette, Sniper international programme director at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. “Additional Sniper ATPs and upgrades will give the Pakistan Air Force a more robust precision targeting capability to support the nation’s security requirements.”

Sniper ATP provides pilots high-resolution imagery for precision targeting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Sniper ATP detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. It also supports employment of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against multiple fixed and moving targets. Sniper ATP is interoperable across multiple platforms, including US Air Force and multi-national F-15, F-16, F-18, A-10, B-1 and B-52 aircraft. AFD-Dave Allport

They finally realized that Atlis-II are outdated now

 

[fatman17]

They finally realized that Atlis-II are outdated now

Altis was inducted in the early 80s so it has passed it's usefulness. Sniper pods were only available to us after 2005.

 

[Windjammer]

JHMCS seems a standard feature with PAF F-16 community.

 

[black-hawk_101]

JHMCS seems a standard feature with PAF F-16 community.

Soon 14 used F-16s more to arrive and also possible vaudevillian 21 F-16s too.

 

[nomi007]

Pakistan will buy 15 more Sniper targeting pods( ANAAQ-33 Sniper XR) from Lockheed Martin and upgrade 22 of its existing pods to new standards.
Lockheed Martin will deliver the new pods to Pakistan later this year due to an urgent operational requirement.



Pakistan will buy 15 more Sniper targeting pods( ANAAQ-33 Sniper XR) from Lockheed Martin and upgrade 22 of its existing pods to new standards.
Lockheed Martin will deliver the new pods to Pakistan later this year due to an urgent operational requirement.

 

[untitled]

...........also possible vaudevillian 21 F-16s too.

 

[IrbiS]

Altis was inducted in the early 80s so it has passed it's usefulness. Sniper pods were only available to us after 2005.

True. They were optimistic about ATLIS even after trying and combat testing Sniper. Thank GOD they timely realized and made an order while we could. This ACM is busting many PAF myths

 

[wiqi21]

Pakistan Air Force has sent a follow-on foreign military sale contract to Lockheed Martin to produce and upgrade Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) for its F-16 fleet.

The contract includes the upgrade of Pakistan’s existing 22 Sniper ATPs as well as the production of 15 new Sniper ATPs.

Delivery will begin late in 2015 to satisfy Pakistan’s urgent operational needs. Upgrades will also begin in late 2015 and they will increase compatibility with the aircraft and enable enhanced features.

“Sniper ATP has supported the Pakistan Air Force’s mission since 2010,” said Rich Lovette, Sniper international programme director at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. “Additional Sniper ATPs and upgrades will give the Pakistan Air Force a more robust precision targetting capability to support the nation’s security requirements.”

Sniper ATP enables pilots to have high-resolution imagery for precision targetting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. It also detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. Apart from that, it also enables the use of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against various fixed and moving targets.

Further, Sniper ATP can be operated on multiple platforms, including US Air Force and multi-national F-15, F-16, F-18, A-10, B-1 and B-52 aircraft.

This article originally appeared on Market Watch

 

[ali_raza]

only the pods

 

[Arsalan]

Pakistan Air Force has sent a follow-on foreign military sale contract to Lockheed Martin to produce and upgrade Sniper Advanced Targeting Pods (ATP) for its F-16 fleet.

The contract includes the upgrade of Pakistan’s existing 22 Sniper ATPs as well as the production of 15 new Sniper ATPs.

Delivery will begin late in 2015 to satisfy Pakistan’s urgent operational needs. Upgrades will also begin in late 2015 and they will increase compatibility with the aircraft and enable enhanced features.

“Sniper ATP has supported the Pakistan Air Force’s mission since 2010,” said Rich Lovette, Sniper international programme director at Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control. “Additional Sniper ATPs and upgrades will give the Pakistan Air Force a more robust precision targetting capability to support the nation’s security requirements.”

Sniper ATP enables pilots to have high-resolution imagery for precision targetting, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. It also detects, identifies, automatically tracks and laser designates small tactical targets at long ranges. Apart from that, it also enables the use of all laser and GPS-guided weapons against various fixed and moving targets.

Further, Sniper ATP can be operated on multiple platforms, including US Air Force and multi-national F-15, F-16, F-18, A-10, B-1 and B-52 aircraft.

This article originally appeared on Market Watch

Oh come on, there is no need for posting threads with such sensational headings, specially when the matter is already being discussed, LM to upgrade PAD F-16, Bull5hit!! We are getting the sniper PODs upgraded and buying a few more new ones that is it.
It is not like they are upgrading our fleet as the thread title suggest.