Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Basel]

@Side-Winder even if it is competible with JHMCS it will not have enough off bore capacity, also there were news that PAF were interested in German IRIS-T missile what happened to that? and why PAF is not looking at ASRAAM and other missiles for F-16s and JF-17s.

 

[Side-Winder]

@Side-Winder even if it is competible with JHMCS it will not have enough off bore capacity, also there were news that PAF were interested in German IRST missile what happened to that? and why PAF is not looking at ASRAAM and other missiles for F-16s and JF-17s.

what other missiles for F-16s? Americans aren't gonna sell the X version to us, neither do we have enough funds to replace the M version,at the moment,
as far as the JF-17's weaponary is concerned, it also carries PL-E-II and PL-9C both of these can pull 40+ G's that is good enough, but again we haven't seen if JF-17 actually uses a HMS. during dubai airhshow 2010, the briefing given by the chief designer, HMS was shown as 'optional'.

Anyhow,as per news we are looking forward to A-DARTER to use in future with coming blocks of JF-17

im yet to know if PAF actually considered any german missile..?

 

[Basel]

@Side-Winder German IRIS-T was considered by PAF this was in news on PDF too, also UK's AIM-132 ASRAAM can be considered too it also has folding fins which allows it to be carried in internal bay of plane. They may be expensive but it is need of time to have such capable systems at least for our F-16s.

below link of German IRIS-T and related missiles:

IRIS-T - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The missile PAF F-16s use:

AIM-9 Sidewinder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Missiles IAF uses:

Python (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you go through all related links given in first link page you will find out the difference is huge between these many missiles and there are many AIM-9M variants, which one is used by PAF?

 

[ejaz007]

@Side-Winder but are they good against the foe we have to face?? will they give enough chance to our pilots to stand against more advance and powerful adversary?

These are capable missiles and are very good against the foe we shall face.

 

[nomi007]

 

[nomi007]

F16 Construction

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

 

[Tacticool]

can't we go for bubble canopy for jft? it looks cool.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Chinese do not have the capability as of now to make a true bubble canopy---I doubt if the russians have it.

 

[Munir]

Hi,

Chinese do not have the capability as of now to make a true bubble canopy---I doubt if the russians have it.

The reason is that it gives tremendous drag... WVR war is changing into netcentric BVR war. You do not even need canopy with all those sensors. If that bubble was that important then why has JSF no bubble? Or Ef2000? Or Rafale? Or Gripen? Or LCA ?

Don't get me wrong but telling that Chinese have no capabilities sounds outright unbelievable.

 

[SQ8]

Don't get me wrong but telling that Chinese have no capabilities sounds outright unbelievable.

And it is.. lack of information usually betrays such quasi-"authoritative" statements. There is no such thing as a true bubble canopy.. a bubble is the shape of the canopy of the F-15, the F-86.. and the frameless variant seen on the F-16 and also on the J-20.

And the issue is not drag.. its weight and strength. The F-16s bubble canopy is also heavier than what the F-15 uses because it has to be stronger(being one piece).

 

[Munir]

And it is.. lack of information usually betrays such quasi-"authoritative" statements. There is no such thing as a true bubble canopy.. a bubble is the shape of the canopy of the F-15, the F-86.. and the frameless variant seen on the F-16 and also on the J-20.

And the issue is not drag.. its weight and strength. The F-16s bubble canopy is also heavier than what the F-15 uses because it has to be stronger(being one piece).

Exactly That is why the Japanese F2 (which is a copied and XL F16) has moved to two piece lighter version canopy.

 

[MastanKhan]

The reason is that it gives tremendous drag... WVR war is changing into netcentric BVR war. You do not even need canopy with all those sensors. If that bubble was that important then why has JSF no bubble? Or Ef2000? Or Rafale? Or Gripen? Or LCA ?

Don't get me wrong but telling that Chinese have no capabilities sounds outright unbelievable.

Sir,

Before commenting---please do your research on the matter. The chinese may not need it---but it does not mean that they have the tech.

It is true---true bubble canopies---like the F16's---are not needed with all the elctronic eyes that the systems carry nowadays.

But one piece bubble canopies still exist----with lesser curvature.

 

[Munir]

Sir,

Before commenting---please do your research on the matter. The chinese may not need it---but it does not mean that they have the tech.

Sir,

I guess you mean the J20 has no bubble canopy? Or do we both use different definitions of a bubble canopy? Then it is a matter of definitions but nothing else. So I think they need it and have it on J20.

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Chengdu J-20 Multirole Stealth Fighter Aircraft - Airforce Technology
Cockpit
The J-20 will feature a glass cockpit enclosed with a bubble shaped canopy. The cockpit will be fitted with two liquid crystal displays (LCD) and a head up display (HUD). The aircraft can be operated through traditional hands on throttle and stick (HOTAS) system.

 

[razgriz19]

Hi,

Chinese do not have the capability as of now to make a true bubble canopy---I doubt if the russians have it.

is that "bubbly" enough for you?