Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[nitetrogen70]

This is and will remain a constant threat - and yet it's interesting that Pakistani armed forces, especially senior officers, seem to have more than a soft spot for the US - Pakistani defense acquisitions, sorry, defense grants, because Pakistan generally is not in a position to purchase top of the line defense equipment, that it seems to think it must have.

Still love those F16? No worries Uncle will allow you to fly them, when uncle decides it's in uncle's interests - in the meantime just collect your salary that uncle subsidizes

that's what i don't get after having such a bad experience these fools will still look to the west,
i guess this is what they call insanity

 

[Luftwaffe]

well looks like we are gonna be sanctioned again i wonder what will happen to the f 16 now :/

Same as what happened in the 90s, flying hours were reduced and some received black market spares.

 

[fatman17]

lets wait until we cross this bridge.....

 

[fatman17]

Pakistani Air Force F-16 Pilots

37 Pakistani Air Force pilots have reached 1,000 flying hours or more in the F-16 Fighting Falcon so far.


Gr.Capt. Aamir Masood
(Updated: 3 Sep 2011)
9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Ghazanfar Latif
(Updated: 29 Dec 2012)
9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Zulfiqar "Sidewinder" Ayub
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
9 sqn | 9 sqn

Air.Cmd. Ashfaq Arain (Ret.)
(Updated: 14 Sep 2011)

Wg.Cmd. Tariq Zia
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Ali Naeem "Baaz" Zahoor
(Updated: 13 Nov 2011)
11 sqn

Irfan Ahmed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Gp.Capt. Fauad Masud Hatmi
(Updated: 22 Dec 2012)
11 sqn | 9 sqn

Wg.Cmd. M. Haseeb Paracha
(Updated: 30 Aug 2010)
9 sqn | 11 sqn

Air.Vice.Marsh. Muhammad Iqbal
(Updated: 22 Dec 2012)
9 sqn

Air.Vice.Marsh. Farhat Hussain Khan
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Vice.Marsh. Athar Bokhari (Ret.)
(Updated: 22 Dec 2012)

Air.Cmd. Khaleel Ahmed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Haider "Tipu" Zaidi
(Updated: 20 Feb 2011)
11 sqn

Wg.Cmd. Javad Saeed
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mahmood (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Bilal Hassan
(Updated: 23 Sep 2012)
9 sqn | J-7

Wg.Cmd. Waqas Ahmed Sulehri
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Hamza Jamil
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Omair Ahmed Najmi
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Moin "Tornado" Rana
(Updated: 29 May 2010)

Sqn.Ldr. Khalid Mehmood
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
9 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Azman Khalil
(Updated: 1 Feb 2010)

Sqn.Ldr. Asim "Mav-Slammer" Raja
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
9 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Nauman "Hornet" Ali
(Updated: 29 Jan 2011)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Mustafa "Lightening" Orakzai
(Updated: 17 Feb 2010)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Aftab "Viper-Phantom" Zia
(Updated: 29 May 2010)
11 sqn

Sqn.Ldr. Shazib "Falcon" Mehmood
(Updated: 21 Nov 2010)
11 sqn

Cdr. Sayed Muzaffar Ali (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Ali Asad Khan (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)


Sqn.Ldr. Muhammad Azam
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Wg.Cmd. Azher Hassan
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Cmd. Razi Nawab (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Cmd. Tariq Mahmud Ashraf
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Vice.Marsh. Waseem-ud-din (Ret.)
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Air.Vice.Marsh. Mohammad Yousaf
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)

Sqn.Ldr. Syed Omer Shah
(Updated: 17 Feb 2009)
11 sqn


come to think of it there arnt many F-16 pilots with many years of experience! - some of these have retired.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Pakistan Air Force - General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon (401) at Lajes / Azores, Portugal, January 31, 2012.

Pakistan Air Force - General Dynamics F-16BM Fighting Falcon (401) at Lajes / Azores, Portugal, January 31, 2012.

Remark: Delivery flight to Pakistan Air Force! Back in 2008, this F16 among other F16A were heading to USA to receive some new updates, but with some problems they stay in Lajes for about four months. Four years after, they're returning to Lajes on it's way to Pakistan.

 

[fatman17]

good to know they are back.....

 

[Xracer]

we are creating some of spares ourselves and upgrading F-16s engine at PAC....
well in case of sanctions for long time all F-16s would be grounded and it will result in emergency acquiring of 3-4 squadrons J-10Bs....

J-10Bs is the better option..........

 

[Donatello]

Just make sure we don't get sanctioned before 2014, let the MLU happen, then US can do what ever.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Just make sure we don't get sanctioned before 2014, let the MLU happen, then US can do what ever.

Don't you think even after that, it'll still be a problem as PAF must be aspiring to maintain the fleet for a decade and a half at least?

The Pressler sanctions led to a decade-long suspension of security assistance to Pakistan.

Let's just keep other platforms out of our imagination for the time being.
Why would we won't learn from mistakes we have made in the recent past?

Following is quoted from Kaiser Tufail's Blog Aeronaut.He's mentioning about the kargil war.

F-16 CAPs could not have been flown all day long as spares support was limited under the prevailing US sanctions. Random CAPs were resorted to, with a noticeable drop in border violations only as long as the F-16s were on station. There were a few cases of F-16s and Mirage-2000s locking their adversaries with the on-board radars but caution usually prevailed and no close encounters took place. After one week of CAPs, the F-16 maintenance personnel indicated that war reserve spares were being eaten into and that the activity had to be ‘rationalised’, a euphemism for discontinuing it altogether. That an impending war occupied the Air Staff’s minds was evident in the decision by the DCAS (Ops) for F-16 CAPs to be discontinued, unless IAF activity became unbearably provocative or threatening.

Those not aware of the gravity of the F-16 operability problem under sanctions have complained of the PAF’s lack of cooperation. Suffice it to say that if the PAF had been included in the initial planning, this anomaly (along with many others) would have emerged as a mitigating factor against the Kargil adventure. It is another matter that the Army high command did not envisage operations ever coming to such a pass. Now, it was almost as if the PAF was to blame for the Kargil venture spiralling out of control.

Let's just hope that the Falcons doesn't stay in as a spearhead of our attack for long.Or we might need to take those cautions in the future as well.

 

[Sinnerman108]

we are creating some of spares ourselves and upgrading F-16s engine at PAC....
well in case of sanctions for long time all F-16s would be grounded and it will result in emergency acquiring of 3-4 squadrons J-10Bs....

Can you please enlighten us with the upgrade part ?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Can you please enlighten us with the upgrade part ?

New version of member AZADPAKISTAN, get the clue.

 

[Last Hope]

Just make sure we don't get sanctioned before 2014, let the MLU happen, then US can do what ever.

Sure, I'll talk to Secretary of Defense. Yaar hai apna.

 

[Gentelman]

Can you please enlighten us with the upgrade part ?

In 1989, Mirage Rebuild Factory (MRF) at
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC),
Kamra was assigned the task of
overhauling the Pratt & Whitney F100-
PW-200 turbofan engine that powers the
F-16 fleet in PAF service. The F-16’s
structural modifications were made in
engine, fuselage, ailerons and flaps. These
structural modifications were a part of its
type extension program. Reinforcement
plates were also added on the fuselage to
strengthen the structural integrity of the
F-16s, thus extending its service life.
MRF has also upgraded the F100 engine
from 200 to 220E configuration. The
-220Econfiguration provides better
performance and greater reliability. Up to
26 modifications were made in F-100
engines modules including fan, engine
core, fuel nozzles, gearbox, high pressure
turbine…etc
Improvement in the service life of various
F-100 modules is as follows:
Fan Module 1800-4000 Hours
Core Module 4000 Hours
Turbine 3500 Hours
Augmentor Module 4000 Hours
Gearbox Module 4000 Hours
The repair, up-gradation and overhaul of
F-100 Engine, replacement of wing and
fuselage fuel cells are also carried out by
MRF. MRF has been certified for aircraft
painting and de-painting as well.The
F-16’s avionics, structuraland engine
related modifications allowed the PAF to
maintain a high level of readiness despite
U.S. sanctions and arms embargo from
the West and did not hamper the
operational preparedness of the fighting
force during both times of peace and war.
Over the years,F-16s have participated in
various multinational exercises around
the globe. The devoted ground crew has
always ensured the combat ready status
of these falcons. F-16s participation in
counter insurgency operations in Global
War on Terror are the recent example of
their combat record.

 

[Donatello]

Sure, I'll talk to Secretary of Defense. Yaar hai apna.

Seems legit.

 

[fatman17]

Just make sure we don't get sanctioned before 2014, let the MLU happen, then US can do what ever.

lets stop this nonsense....
its not going to happen for many reasons....one is below.

Opinion Pipedream?

Dr Farrukh Saleem
Sunday, March 10, 2013

Capital suggestion



The good news is that the cost of the Pak-Iran gas pipeline has come down from $1.5 billion to $1.3 billion. The bad news is that neither Iran nor Pakistan has $1.3 billion. The good news is that President Zardari will be inaugurating the pipeline on Monday. The bad news is that a ‘pipedream’ is being inaugurated, not a pipeline.

There are two major prerequisites to building the pipeline: money and technology. There are two sources that have the money: Chinese banks and western financial institutions. There are two sources that have the required technology: Gazprom, the Moscow-based gas giant and western pipeline entities. On March 14, 2012, the Beijing-based Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Ltd (ICBC) backed out of a deal to finance the Pak-Iran gas pipeline. On May 14, 2012, Gazprom, the largest extractor of natural gas in the world, pulled out of the Pak-Iran pipeline project.

No money, no technology. All politics. Lately, the Americans seem to be ditching our president and our president is out with a double-edged sword: annoy the Americans and when the project actually fails the next rulers in Islamabad can be conveniently held responsible for the failure.

The Iranians are completely isolated and are therefore playing along pretending that they are still interacting with other countries of the world. On February 6, 2012, Iran defaulted on payments for wheat imports from Ukraine. On February 7, 2012, Iran defaulted on payments worth $144 million for rice shipments from India. Conclusion: Iran has no hard currency left in its reserves.

The good news is that Iran is desperate to deal with Pakistan. The bad news is that South Pars gas field’s reserves are yet to be ratified by a third party. The good news is that Sui Northern and Sui Southern are charging us around $3.50 per unit of gas. The bad news is that Iranian gas price is pegged to the price of crude and at the current level Pakistani consumers would have to cough out around $13 per unit of Iranian gas. More recently, Pakistan has asked Iran to revise the price of gas downwards from 78 percent of crude to 70 percent of crude (Iran has refused to renegotiate the price downwards).

On December22, 2011, the National Bank of Pakistan (NBP), responsible for raising the rupee component of the project, informed the Economic Coordination Committee’s (ECC) Steering Committee on Iran-Pakistan (IP) Pipeline that it had “branches in different countries of the world and therefore it feared that these branches could be closed due to US sanctions.” Subsequently, the NBP pulled out of the project.

In December 2011, the Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL) “already cash constrained due to the circular debt, said that its US investors had threatened to retreat if the company financed the IP gas pipeline project.” Subsequently, OGDCL pulled out of the project.

The other good news is that our second-largest source of grant assistance is Saudi Arabia (America is the largest). The other bad news is that al-Mamlakah al-’Arabiyyah as-Su’udiyyah does not want Pakistan to trade with Iran.

Our pipedream fantasy; End tragedy solve the riddle; And dissipate ideals of indecision pipe; Pipedreams like these will; Cease and die unleashed.



The writer is a columnist based in Islamabad. Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com. Twitter: @Saleemfarrukh