Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[MIRauf]

It's going to be the combo of Options ( 1 & 5, slim outside chance of option 3 )

 

[Trailer23]

It's going to be the combo of Options ( 1 & 5, slim outside chance of option 3 )

Yep, as I already mentioned earlier.

It is a thing of beauty, isn't it... I wish my f#*king Lancer looked this sexy.

 

[Signalian]

Indonesia got 24 block52 used for 700 million nothing was paid by usa tax money and this included trainings and some weapons

But either its going to be 4. Or 5.
Paf doesnt consider new f16 cost effective unless combined with used f16s, FMF

3. Upgrade all PAF F-16's to V standard

Me too. Unless the payment could be covered in installments in a span of 4-5 Years.

I was thinking more down the line of Option 5 or Option 1. Block52 are pretty modern as it is. We can always upgrade them later when we have funds - a decade later.

I would be against going down that path for the time being. India will be getting the Rafales in the years to come & in the next couple of years are intending to get around 20 Soviet-era MiG-29's for $900 Million. Lets not forget the order they plan on placing shortly where the F-21 is a contender.

Look, its not everyday we are able to get our hands on brand new or used F-16's. Try to recall how many JF-17's have been inducted in the PAF since we received our last Block52 (not counting the Jordanian F-16's)?

I'm not certain if it will ever happen. But if there is even the slightest possibility that we can acquire additional F-16's, I say we go for it. Also, if the US feel that Pakistan is seriously considering buying the J-10c's*, they might be inclined to loosen up - just to keep us in their corner.

*Unless there is something already in the pipeline that we're not aware of.

Plus 36 to 40 blk 70 gives very potent punch will negate Rafale purchase for good.

The points i'm trying to highlight are multiple plus that not all acquisitions and upgrades can be done simultaneously.

Think about it, PAF has added 5 JF-17 squadrons and 1 F-16 Squadron from Jordan into inventory apart from SPADA 2000 AD system. This amounts to around 115-120 aircrafts since 2010. JF-17's were not built for free, neither F-16 ADF were acquired for free. Project Azm is also going side by side. So when someone stands up and starts saying that where did funds go? maybe we should ask from where did the funds come to buy these 100+ aircrafts. Maybe when some Indian member starts speaking about economics of Pakistan and no funds to buy new aircrafts, he should be reminded that PAF has bought these aircrafts from allotted funds , so PAF is not cash stripped, its thrifty. This is actually something that bothers IAF alot- PAF replacing older aircrafts swiftly as well as raising new squadrons in past decade, while IAF is short of sanctioned squadrons. Those members want to know where did the funds of PAF go after earthquake, should realize that PAF didn't replace older aircrafts neither raised these 6 squadrons for free.

In all totality, PAF also added 32 new and used F-16's since 2010, which were part of FMF. So thats an addition of 150 fighter aircrafts in past 10 years or so. These 32 aircrafts are concessional or funded.

Honestly, PAF has done more than enough but members here want more. J-11, J-16, SU-35, F-16 V, JH-7B, J-10C....the appetite is non-ending. If IAF is going for a shopping spree,it should not insecure members here that PAF should do the same. Has this thinking pattern generated from seeing different planned inductions of IAF ? modernization of F-16's and new blocks coming out ? 5th gen aircraft R&D by few countries ike ROK, Turkey etc ?

Do JF-17 and F-16 start to seem meager in front of Rafale ? They also didnt seem enough in front of 240 SU-30 MKI's. And then there are Mig-29's and Mirage-2000's and Tejas. With so many types, even then Rafale is needed for IAF. This arms race is never ending. F-16 MLU and F-16 Block 52+ pose a real headache to IAF already. The way PAF deploys these F-16's and IAF will never sit tight even after acquiring Rafale. IAF will next ask for 5th gen aircraft and upgrades for Rafale and Tejas or SU 30 MKI. IAF is already looking for more Mirage 2000's. After that IAF would want 6th gen aircraft. Do you see who is insecure here ? IAF, not PAF.

The PAF Mirage-III and Mirage-V are under rated; old, obsolete, nearing end life, requiring replacement, crash rate going high ! The same Mirage carries ALCM and a major weapon payload which makes F-16 envious. I don't doubt that these need replacement, yes they do,but striking them off from the book is a mistake most members make here, IAF knows these are lethal and potent aircrafts. These Mirages just visited India recently and arrived back unscathed, but the feeling of a brand new bird in PAF give a security, a relief to hearts, doesn't it ? Whenever a Mirage or F-7 crash takes place, shouting on PDF starts for J-10, SU 35, JH-7B.

There are 4 squadrons of F-16's, apart from Aggressor Squadron. These are hard pressed to conduct all types of roles. Air superiority, air defence, escort, interdiction, ground strikes, tactical attack and Naval strike if necessary. The main concern for them is sanctions, non up gradation and non acquisition however PAF seems content with their performance. There was a time when Indian members here used to say Mig-21 Bison can take out PAF F-16's easily. Times have changed. PAF and PAF's F-16 are not the same. The mechanically steered Pulse Doppler radar of F-16 has proved effective against Passive electrically steered Pulse Doppler radar of SU 30 MKI. The Israeli Elta M8222 jamming pod of Mig-21 Bison was a no show. The under-rated DRFM of F-16 came up on top. The Link-16 system worked effectively Erieye AWAC's and DA-20 EW aircraft. The ALQ-213 EW system combined with ALE-47 CM system installed in F-16's proved its potency. PAF will still strive to upgrade its F-16's or acquire more, since F-16's versatility for up gradation makes it a suitable candidate for further induction.

PAF could have gone ahead and paid the asked amount for more F-16's, yet it chose to replace older F-7's with newer JF-17's and that is money well spent. While IAF advertises more and more about future induction, PAF is not hampered by an aircraft like Tejas which has no certain future in IAF. JF-17 has a potential for upgrade just like F-16 and PAF will exploit it fully through Block III.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The points i'm trying to highlight are multiple plus that not all acquisitions and upgrades can be done simultaneously.

Think about it, PAF has added 5 JF-17 squadrons and 1 F-16 Squadron from Jordan into inventory apart from SPADA 2000 AD system. This amounts to around 115-120 aircrafts since 2010. JF-17's were not built for free, neither F-16 ADF were acquired for free. Project Azm is also going side by side. So when someone stands up and starts saying that where did funds go? maybe we should ask from where did the funds come to buy these 100+ aircrafts. Maybe when some Indian member starts speaking about economics of Pakistan and no funds to buy new aircrafts, he should be reminded that PAF has bought these aircrafts from allotted funds , so PAF is not cash stripped, its thrifty. This is actually something that bothers IAF alot- PAF replacing older aircrafts swiftly as well as raising new squadrons in past decade, while IAF is short of sanctioned squadrons. Those members want to know where did the funds of PAF go after earthquake, should realize that PAF didn't replace older aircrafts neither raised these 6 squadrons for free.

In all totality, PAF also added 32 new and used F-16's since 2010, which were part of FMF. So thats an addition of 150 fighter aircrafts in past 10 years or so. These 32 aircrafts are concessional or funded.

Honestly, PAF has done more than enough but members here want more. J-11, J-16, SU-35, F-16 V, JH-7B, J-10C....the appetite is non-ending. If IAF is going for a shopping spree,it should not insecure members here that PAF should do the same. Has this thinking pattern generated from seeing different planned inductions of IAF ? modernization of F-16's and new blocks coming out ? 5th gen aircraft R&D by few countries ike ROK, Turkey etc ?

Do JF-17 and F-16 start to seem meager in front of Rafale ? They also didnt seem enough in front of 240 SU-30 MKI's. And then there are Mig-29's and Mirage-2000's and Tejas. With so many types, even then Rafale is needed for IAF. This arms race is never ending. F-16 MLU and F-16 Block 52+ pose a real headache to IAF already. The way PAF deploys these F-16's and IAF will never sit tight even after acquiring Rafale. IAF will next ask for 5th gen aircraft and upgrades for Rafale and Tejas or SU 30 MKI. IAF is already looking for more Mirage 2000's. After that IAF would want 6th gen aircraft. Do you see who is insecure here ? IAF, not PAF.

The PAF Mirage-III and Mirage-V are under rated; old, obsolete, nearing end life, requiring replacement, crash rate going high ! The same Mirage carries ALCM and a major weapon payload which makes F-16 envious. I don't doubt that these need replacement, yes they do,but striking them off from the book is a mistake most members make here, IAF knows these are lethal and potent aircrafts. These Mirages just visited India recently and arrived back unscathed, but the feeling of a brand new bird in PAF give a security, a relief to hearts, doesn't it ? Whenever a Mirage or F-7 crash takes place, shouting on PDF starts for J-10, SU 35, JH-7B.

There are 4 squadrons of F-16's, apart from Aggressor Squadron. These are hard pressed to conduct all types of roles. Air superiority, air defence, escort, interdiction, ground strikes, tactical attack and Naval strike if necessary. The main concern for them is sanctions, non up gradation and non acquisition however PAF seems content with their performance. There was a time when Indian members here used to say Mig-21 Bison can take out PAF F-16's easily. Times have changed. PAF and PAF's F-16 are not the same. The mechanically steered Pulse Doppler radar of F-16 has proved effective against Passive electrically steered Pulse Doppler radar of SU 30 MKI. The Israeli Elta M8222 jamming pod of Mig-21 Bison was a no show. The under-rated DRFM of F-16 came up on top. The Link-16 system worked effectively Erieye AWAC's and DA-20 EW aircraft. The ALQ-213 EW system combined with ALE-47 CM system installed in F-16's proved its potency. PAF will still strive to upgrade its F-16's or acquire more, since F-16's versatility for up gradation makes it a suitable candidate for further induction.

PAF could have gone ahead and paid the asked amount for more F-16's, yet it chose to replace older F-7's with newer JF-17's and that is money well spent. While IAF advertises more and more about future induction, PAF is not hampered by an aircraft like Tejas which has no certain future in IAF. JF-17 has a potential for upgrade just like F-16 and PAF will exploit if through Block III.

It's also worth noting that just as the Rafale is on the IAF's roadmap, the PAF's roadmap has Project Azm (i.e., a FGF/NGF). Sure, it'll come a bit later, but it's there as a light at the end of the tunnel (with some lights before it in the form of the Block-III).

 

[CriticalThought]

The points i'm trying to highlight are multiple plus that not all acquisitions and upgrades can be done simultaneously.

Think about it, PAF has added 5 JF-17 squadrons and 1 F-16 Squadron from Jordan into inventory apart from SPADA 2000 AD system. This amounts to around 115-120 aircrafts since 2010. JF-17's were not built for free, neither F-16 ADF were acquired for free. Project Azm is also going side by side. So when someone stands up and starts saying that where did funds go? maybe we should ask from where did the funds come to buy these 100+ aircrafts. Maybe when some Indian member starts speaking about economics of Pakistan and no funds to buy new aircrafts, he should be reminded that PAF has bought these aircrafts from allotted funds , so PAF is not cash stripped, its thrifty. This is actually something that bothers IAF alot- PAF replacing older aircrafts swiftly as well as raising new squadrons in past decade, while IAF is short of sanctioned squadrons. Those members want to know where did the funds of PAF go after earthquake, should realize that PAF didn't replace older aircrafts neither raised these 6 squadrons for free.

In all totality, PAF also added 32 new and used F-16's since 2010, which were part of FMF. So thats an addition of 150 fighter aircrafts in past 10 years or so. These 32 aircrafts are concessional or funded.

Honestly, PAF has done more than enough but members here want more. J-11, J-16, SU-35, F-16 V, JH-7B, J-10C....the appetite is non-ending. If IAF is going for a shopping spree,it should not insecure members here that PAF should do the same. Has this thinking pattern generated from seeing different planned inductions of IAF ? modernization of F-16's and new blocks coming out ? 5th gen aircraft R&D by few countries ike ROK, Turkey etc ?

Do JF-17 and F-16 start to seem meager in front of Rafale ? They also didnt seem enough in front of 240 SU-30 MKI's. And then there are Mig-29's and Mirage-2000's and Tejas. With so many types, even then Rafale is needed for IAF. This arms race is never ending. F-16 MLU and F-16 Block 52+ pose a real headache to IAF already. The way PAF deploys these F-16's and IAF will never sit tight even after acquiring Rafale. IAF will next ask for 5th gen aircraft and upgrades for Rafale and Tejas or SU 30 MKI. IAF is already looking for more Mirage 2000's. After that IAF would want 6th gen aircraft. Do you see who is insecure here ? IAF, not PAF.

The PAF Mirage-III and Mirage-V are under rated; old, obsolete, nearing end life, requiring replacement, crash rate going high ! The same Mirage carries ALCM and a major weapon payload which makes F-16 envious. I don't doubt that these need replacement, yes they do,but striking them off from the book is a mistake most members make here, IAF knows these are lethal and potent aircrafts. These Mirages just visited India recently and arrived back unscathed, but the feeling of a brand new bird in PAF give a security, a relief to hearts, doesn't it ? Whenever a Mirage or F-7 crash takes place, shouting on PDF starts for J-10, SU 35, JH-7B.

There are 4 squadrons of F-16's, apart from Aggressor Squadron. These are hard pressed to conduct all types of roles. Air superiority, air defence, escort, interdiction, ground strikes, tactical attack and Naval strike if necessary. The main concern for them is sanctions, non up gradation and non acquisition however PAF seems content with their performance. There was a time when Indian members here used to say Mig-21 Bison can take out PAF F-16's easily. Times have changed. PAF and PAF's F-16 are not the same. The mechanically steered Pulse Doppler radar of F-16 has proved effective against Passive electrically steered Pulse Doppler radar of SU 30 MKI. The Israeli Elta M8222 jamming pod of Mig-21 Bison was a no show. The under-rated DRFM of F-16 came up on top. The Link-16 system worked effectively Erieye AWAC's and DA-20 EW aircraft. The ALQ-213 EW system combined with ALE-47 CM system installed in F-16's proved its potency. PAF will still strive to upgrade its F-16's or acquire more, since F-16's versatility for up gradation makes it a suitable candidate for further induction.

PAF could have gone ahead and paid the asked amount for more F-16's, yet it chose to replace older F-7's with newer JF-17's and that is money well spent. While IAF advertises more and more about future induction, PAF is not hampered by an aircraft like Tejas which has no certain future in IAF. JF-17 has a potential for upgrade just like F-16 and PAF will exploit if through Block III.

The recent standoff against IN has exposed the soft underbelly of our naval air power. We have no long range fighters to provide cover for our ASW assets. Thus in turn means IN submarines will have free reign over a vast area of the ocean, restricting movement of our surface assets. We need something like Su-35 today, and no this is not a fanboy wish list.

Second, Azm is nothing but a wish list. First of all, the entire program is structured in a vague manner with too broad a scope. Second, it is not obvious if PAF decision makers are following the latest advances in anti-stealth technology. Given a lack of R&D, how can PAF air marshals even know the efficacy of a given stealth design against modern radars? I have serious concerns that this project will deliver too little, too late, at too great an expense. Now if they restructure it so that we see small improvements coming out consistently and getting inducted into PAF, I would say we are safe.

 

[khanasifm]

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/w...rce-f-16s-use-these-futuristic-1712746714/amp

 

[khanasifm]

https://aero-com-tech.com/products/

 

[Signalian]

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/w...rce-f-16s-use-these-futuristic-1712746714/amp

Fixing a CFT is not possible on F-16 MLU. I think its Block 50 upwards.

 

[Signalian]

https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/pa...hText=pakistan+air+force+coin&isGalleryList=G

Just making a list of F-16 A/B/C/D in PAF.

F-16 A : (28-8) + 5 + 12 = 37
F-16 B : (12-1) + 9 + 1 = 21
F-16 C: 12
F-16 D : 6

 

[Signalian]

The recent standoff against IN has exposed the soft underbelly of our naval air power. We have no long range fighters to provide cover for our ASW assets. Thus in turn means IN submarines will have free reign over a vast area of the ocean, restricting movement of our surface assets. We need something like Su-35 today, and no this is not a fanboy wish list.

Second, Azm is nothing but a wish list. First of all, the entire program is structured in a vague manner with too broad a scope. Second, it is not obvious if PAF decision makers are following the latest advances in anti-stealth technology. Given a lack of R&D, how can PAF air marshals even know the efficacy of a given stealth design against modern radars? I have serious concerns that this project will deliver too little, too late, at too great an expense. Now if they restructure it so that we see small improvements coming out consistently and getting inducted into PAF, I would say we are safe.

post 328
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-navy-questions-thread.19818/page-22

 

[CriticalThought]

post 328
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-navy-questions-thread.19818/page-22

Post 329

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-navy-questions-thread.19818/page-22#post-11322371

 

[Signalian]

Post 329

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-navy-questions-thread.19818/page-22#post-11322371

Yup, liked it.

 

[Signalian]

Now actually let it sink into your skull.

Critical thinking just failed- Your rudeness is a definition of your own shortcoming. adios.

 

[CriticalThought]

Critical thinking just failed- Your rudeness is a definition of your own shortcoming. adios.

I am used to people attacking my handle when they have nothing else left to say. How about you limit yourself to greasing guns on tanks? Aspiring grunts trying to pontificate on aerial warfare is a joke.

 

[weqi]

The points i'm trying to highlight are multiple plus that not all acquisitions and upgrades can be done simultaneously.

Think about it, PAF has added 5 JF-17 squadrons and 1 F-16 Squadron from Jordan into inventory apart from SPADA 2000 AD system. This amounts to around 115-120 aircrafts since 2010. JF-17's were not built for free, neither F-16 ADF were acquired for free. Project Azm is also going side by side. So when someone stands up and starts saying that where did funds go? maybe we should ask from where did the funds come to buy these 100+ aircrafts. Maybe when some Indian member starts speaking about economics of Pakistan and no funds to buy new aircrafts, he should be reminded that PAF has bought these aircrafts from allotted funds , so PAF is not cash stripped, its thrifty. This is actually something that bothers IAF alot- PAF replacing older aircrafts swiftly as well as raising new squadrons in past decade, while IAF is short of sanctioned squadrons. Those members want to know where did the funds of PAF go after earthquake, should realize that PAF didn't replace older aircrafts neither raised these 6 squadrons for free.

In all totality, PAF also added 32 new and used F-16's since 2010, which were part of FMF. So thats an addition of 150 fighter aircrafts in past 10 years or so. These 32 aircrafts are concessional or funded.

Honestly, PAF has done more than enough but members here want more. J-11, J-16, SU-35, F-16 V, JH-7B, J-10C....the appetite is non-ending. If IAF is going for a shopping spree,it should not insecure members here that PAF should do the same. Has this thinking pattern generated from seeing different planned inductions of IAF ? modernization of F-16's and new blocks coming out ? 5th gen aircraft R&D by few countries ike ROK, Turkey etc ?

Do JF-17 and F-16 start to seem meager in front of Rafale ? They also didnt seem enough in front of 240 SU-30 MKI's. And then there are Mig-29's and Mirage-2000's and Tejas. With so many types, even then Rafale is needed for IAF. This arms race is never ending. F-16 MLU and F-16 Block 52+ pose a real headache to IAF already. The way PAF deploys these F-16's and IAF will never sit tight even after acquiring Rafale. IAF will next ask for 5th gen aircraft and upgrades for Rafale and Tejas or SU 30 MKI. IAF is already looking for more Mirage 2000's. After that IAF would want 6th gen aircraft. Do you see who is insecure here ? IAF, not PAF.

The PAF Mirage-III and Mirage-V are under rated; old, obsolete, nearing end life, requiring replacement, crash rate going high ! The same Mirage carries ALCM and a major weapon payload which makes F-16 envious. I don't doubt that these need replacement, yes they do,but striking them off from the book is a mistake most members make here, IAF knows these are lethal and potent aircrafts. These Mirages just visited India recently and arrived back unscathed, but the feeling of a brand new bird in PAF give a security, a relief to hearts, doesn't it ? Whenever a Mirage or F-7 crash takes place, shouting on PDF starts for J-10, SU 35, JH-7B.

There are 4 squadrons of F-16's, apart from Aggressor Squadron. These are hard pressed to conduct all types of roles. Air superiority, air defence, escort, interdiction, ground strikes, tactical attack and Naval strike if necessary. The main concern for them is sanctions, non up gradation and non acquisition however PAF seems content with their performance. There was a time when Indian members here used to say Mig-21 Bison can take out PAF F-16's easily. Times have changed. PAF and PAF's F-16 are not the same. The mechanically steered Pulse Doppler radar of F-16 has proved effective against Passive electrically steered Pulse Doppler radar of SU 30 MKI. The Israeli Elta M8222 jamming pod of Mig-21 Bison was a no show. The under-rated DRFM of F-16 came up on top. The Link-16 system worked effectively Erieye AWAC's and DA-20 EW aircraft. The ALQ-213 EW system combined with ALE-47 CM system installed in F-16's proved its potency. PAF will still strive to upgrade its F-16's or acquire more, since F-16's versatility for up gradation makes it a suitable candidate for further induction.

PAF could have gone ahead and paid the asked amount for more F-16's, yet it chose to replace older F-7's with newer JF-17's and that is money well spent. While IAF advertises more and more about future induction, PAF is not hampered by an aircraft like Tejas which has no certain future in IAF. JF-17 has a potential for upgrade just like F-16 and PAF will exploit it fully through Block III.

The points i'm trying to highlight are multiple plus that not all acquisitions and upgrades can be done simultaneously.

Think about it, PAF has added 5 JF-17 squadrons and 1 F-16 Squadron from Jordan into inventory apart from SPADA 2000 AD system. This amounts to around 115-120 aircrafts since 2010. JF-17's were not built for free, neither F-16 ADF were acquired for free. Project Azm is also going side by side. So when someone stands up and starts saying that where did funds go? maybe we should ask from where did the funds come to buy these 100+ aircrafts. Maybe when some Indian member starts speaking about economics of Pakistan and no funds to buy new aircrafts, he should be reminded that PAF has bought these aircrafts from allotted funds , so PAF is not cash stripped, its thrifty. This is actually something that bothers IAF alot- PAF replacing older aircrafts swiftly as well as raising new squadrons in past decade, while IAF is short of sanctioned squadrons. Those members want to know where did the funds of PAF go after earthquake, should realize that PAF didn't replace older aircrafts neither raised these 6 squadrons for free.

In all totality, PAF also added 32 new and used F-16's since 2010, which were part of FMF. So thats an addition of 150 fighter aircrafts in past 10 years or so. These 32 aircrafts are concessional or funded.

Honestly, PAF has done more than enough but members here want more. J-11, J-16, SU-35, F-16 V, JH-7B, J-10C....the appetite is non-ending. If IAF is going for a shopping spree,it should not insecure members here that PAF should do the same. Has this thinking pattern generated from seeing different planned inductions of IAF ? modernization of F-16's and new blocks coming out ? 5th gen aircraft R&D by few countries ike ROK, Turkey etc ?

Do JF-17 and F-16 start to seem meager in front of Rafale ? They also didnt seem enough in front of 240 SU-30 MKI's. And then there are Mig-29's and Mirage-2000's and Tejas. With so many types, even then Rafale is needed for IAF. This arms race is never ending. F-16 MLU and F-16 Block 52+ pose a real headache to IAF already. The way PAF deploys these F-16's and IAF will never sit tight even after acquiring Rafale. IAF will next ask for 5th gen aircraft and upgrades for Rafale and Tejas or SU 30 MKI. IAF is already looking for more Mirage 2000's. After that IAF would want 6th gen aircraft. Do you see who is insecure here ? IAF, not PAF.

The PAF Mirage-III and Mirage-V are under rated; old, obsolete, nearing end life, requiring replacement, crash rate going high ! The same Mirage carries ALCM and a major weapon payload which makes F-16 envious. I don't doubt that these need replacement, yes they do,but striking them off from the book is a mistake most members make here, IAF knows these are lethal and potent aircrafts. These Mirages just visited India recently and arrived back unscathed, but the feeling of a brand new bird in PAF give a security, a relief to hearts, doesn't it ? Whenever a Mirage or F-7 crash takes place, shouting on PDF starts for J-10, SU 35, JH-7B.

There are 4 squadrons of F-16's, apart from Aggressor Squadron. These are hard pressed to conduct all types of roles. Air superiority, air defence, escort, interdiction, ground strikes, tactical attack and Naval strike if necessary. The main concern for them is sanctions, non up gradation and non acquisition however PAF seems content with their performance. There was a time when Indian members here used to say Mig-21 Bison can take out PAF F-16's easily. Times have changed. PAF and PAF's F-16 are not the same. The mechanically steered Pulse Doppler radar of F-16 has proved effective against Passive electrically steered Pulse Doppler radar of SU 30 MKI. The Israeli Elta M8222 jamming pod of Mig-21 Bison was a no show. The under-rated DRFM of F-16 came up on top. The Link-16 system worked effectively Erieye AWAC's and DA-20 EW aircraft. The ALQ-213 EW system combined with ALE-47 CM system installed in F-16's proved its potency. PAF will still strive to upgrade its F-16's or acquire more, since F-16's versatility for up gradation makes it a suitable candidate for further induction.

PAF could have gone ahead and paid the asked amount for more F-16's, yet it chose to replace older F-7's with newer JF-17's and that is money well spent. While IAF advertises more and more about future induction, PAF is not hampered by an aircraft like Tejas which has no certain future in IAF. JF-17 has a potential for upgrade just like F-16 and PAF will exploit it fully through Block III.

you downed Indians with old rusted swords imagine with new shining western made if you got to succeed few of them