Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[fatman17]

FMF route is closed. We can buy F16s but with our own sovereign funds.

 

[ziaulislam]

Pakistan can get any number of F-16's or any variant it wants. The issue is a strife over the FMF that entitles Pakistan to buy 18 new F-16 Block 52+ at a lower price than original price. USA wants to snatch that privilege away. This complicates the window for buying F-16's from USA. PAF was to get 14 X F-16 Block 15's from USN, which were refused by USN. There are 21 x F-16 Block 15's grounded in Venezuelan Air Force. Belgians had to upgrade them, unconfirmed in media.


MLU gives structural integrity. European F-16's have been MLU'ed already.


That is correct.

There might be a pathwsy to add SLEP or another 4000 hours to f16..
There are pretty many jordianan European and american f16s lyung around. Usa will simply nit release older f16s

Also i doubt block 70 or aim9x aim 120d is available for Pakistan without these it's not smart to soend 100m+ for f16s

 

[Signalian]

There might be a pathwsy to add SLEP or another 4000 hours to f16..
There are pretty many jordianan European and american f16s lyung around. Usa will simply nit release older f16s

Also i doubt block 70 or aim9x aim 120d is available for Pakistan without these it's not smart to soend 100m+ for f16s

You don't get it. If PAF pays the price that USA wants, PAF will get F-16's.

 

[Trailer23]

F-16 Operators:

791 - USA [some deadbeat lying in the Arizona Desert]
245 - Turkey [one of our best options]
218 - Egypt [an option]
168 - South Korea
153 - Greece
140 - Taiwan (Republic of China) [Pandora's Box]
104 - Jordan [one of our best options]
68 - Netherlands
78 - UAE
60 - Singapore
55 - Norway
53 - Thailand
52 - Belgium
48 - Poland
48 - Morocco
46 - Chile

35 - Iraq [They just got them]
32 - Indonesia​

30 - Denmark
27 - Portugal
24 - Oman
21 - Bahrain
16 - Venezuela [debatable]
12 - Romania [They just got them]

224 - Unrecognized State [Waste of time]

 

[ziaulislam]

You don't get it. If PAF pays the price that USA wants, PAF will get F-16's.

Officially nothing beyond block 52 has been ever offered ..even the 8 AC were b52

 

[khanasifm]

Interesting

Dutch F-16 flies into its own bullets, scores self-inflicted hits - Ars Technica
https://apple.news/A3rkXa0z0TrCVVHgG687WYg

 

[Shane]

FMF route is closed. We can buy F16s but with our own sovereign funds.

Aa, Isn't the Zulu not being delivered due to ristrictions on any sale or is that due to FMF ristriction too?

In due time, why not PAF test if sovereign funds route is still available or not...the immidiate next requirement that can easily be managed with own funding is the even more more potent C-7 if not the D version of AMRAAM.

 

[Signalian]

Officially nothing beyond block 52 has been ever offered ..even the 8 AC were b52

PAF is not pursuing.

 

[MIRauf]

Zulu are held back due to FMF, current US Gov't is asking for hard cash.

 

[Trailer23]

FMF route is closed. We can buy F16s but with our own sovereign funds.

If PAF pays the price that USA wants, PAF will get F-16's.

Circumstantial. There are a couple of factors that would be involved in acquiring brand new F-16's from the US.

1. The President of the United States has to agree, first. Lets say he does as goodwill gesture (Pakistan helping out with the Peace process in Afghanistan).

And lets be honest, every F-16 deal that has come towards the PAF has been linked to Afghanistan.

2. The matter has then gotta go to Capital Hill where Congress vote. Now the House of Representatives in power are Democrats which might work in our favor, but one can never be sure.

To my knowledge...all this applies to brand new F-16's from Lockheed Martin.

However..., if we were to seek Used F-16's from another nation - with obviously our own sovereign funds, I don't think the US would mind. They didn't have an issue with us buying (13 of them) a few years back from Jordan, after the US denied the sale for Eight through FMF.

Note: If PAF were to go down that path of buying F-16's from another nation, they need to keep in mind the events that took place earlier this year with Israel & Croatia. That deal didn't go through.

 

[Signalian]

Circumstantial. There are a couple of factors that would be involved in acquiring brand new F-16's from the US.

1. The President of the United States has to agree, first. Lets say he does as goodwill gesture (Pakistan helping out with the Peace process in Afghanistan).

And lets be honest, every F-16 deal that has come towards the PAF has been linked to Afghanistan.

2. The matter has then gotta go to Capital Hill where Congress vote. Now the House of Representatives in power are Democrats which might work in our favor, but one can never be sure.

To my knowledge...all this applies to brand new F-16's from Lockheed Martin.

However..., if we were to seek Used F-16's from another nation - with obviously our own sovereign funds, I don't think the US would mind. They didn't have an issue with us buying (13 of them) a few years back from Jordan, after the US denied the sale for Eight through FMF.

Note: If PAF were to go down that path of buying F-16's from another nation, they need to keep in mind the events that took place earlier this year with Israel & Croatia. That deal didn't go through.

USA did mind buying from other countries and allegedly stopped a second deal of Jordanian F-16's transfer to Pakistan.

 

[Trailer23]

USA did mind buying from other countries and allegedly stopped a second deal of Jordanian F-16's transfer to Pakistan.

I don't recall that. You said 'allegedly'. Do you remember which timeline?
During Obama Administration or the present one?

 

[ziaulislam]

Circumstantial. There are a couple of factors that would be involved in acquiring brand new F-16's from the US.

1. The President of the United States has to agree, first. Lets say he does as goodwill gesture (Pakistan helping out with the Peace process in Afghanistan).

And lets be honest, every F-16 deal that has come towards the PAF has been linked to Afghanistan.

2. The matter has then gotta go to Capital Hill where Congress vote. Now the House of Representatives in power are Democrats which might work in our favor, but one can never be sure.

To my knowledge...all this applies to brand new F-16's from Lockheed Martin.

However..., if we were to seek Used F-16's from another nation - with obviously our own sovereign funds, I don't think the US would mind. They didn't have an issue with us buying (13 of them) a few years back from Jordan, after the US denied the sale for Eight through FMF.

Note: If PAF were to go down that path of buying F-16's from another nation, they need to keep in mind the events that took place earlier this year with Israel & Croatia. That deal didn't go through.

foreign minister on record saying usa blocked used f16s...but getting used is more likely given hostilities in congress

 

[Signalian]

I don't recall that. You said 'allegedly'. Do you remember which timeline?
During Obama Administration or the present one?

search in forum , u will find it.

 

[Trailer23]

foreign minister on record saying usa blocked used f16s...but getting used is more likely given hostilities in congress

Well, this is as good time as any to attempt in acquiring some additional F-16's to the 3-digit mark.

The US needs us for the Afghan peace process. They want out of Afghanistan. If and when they leave, they intend to only have a few hundred forces (for Security) on the ground & pack up everything else.

I haven't heard anything negative come out of Trump's mouth post Balakot. Even the 'Do More' narrative seems to be fading as of late. But, its still not going to give us FMF which we seek to fund such a venture.

So then we're back to square one or..., we make a deal for used ones - no strings attached.