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yes but west is loosing control quicker than expected ... World trade is already out of their hand ... After demise of soviet union this is first time world is looking to China for alternative solutions ...

In such a situation can you afford an ally like Turkey ? Pakistan is almost already lost, within the Islamic world , only KSA and Egypt will remain in alliance which means that Islamic world is tilting towards China and this is bad for west ..

Hi,

My advise to you would---not to think about an american problem with a pakistani mindset---.

If you have the ability---then look it thru the american mindset---thru american eyes---.

China cxan do retaliatory trade wars---but then america will strike militarily and smash it to kingdom come---.

they have done that before---a century plus ago---with Japan---.

Yea I agree completely.

Hi,

Thank you---. People don't understand that the american displeasure grows exponentially---once it starts to build up---.
 
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Hi,

My advise to you would---not to think about an american problem with a pakistani mindset---.

If you have the ability---then look it thru the american mindset---thru american eyes---.

China cxan do retaliatory trade wars---but then america will strike militarily and smash it to kingdom come---.

they have done that before---a century plus ago---with Japan---.



Hi,

Thank you---. People don't understand that the american displeasure grows exponentially---once it starts to build up---.
Agreed but US is already too stretched to have any war ... For that purpose they are fueling india but indians will not dare to attack china ...
 
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Agreed but US is already too stretched to have any war ... For that purpose they are fueling india but indians will not dare to attack china ...

Hi,

The truth is that the US is not stretched thin---. It is just a 'smoke screen ' setup by the US defence department for more funds---.

The US military has enough firepower and some to spare to take on Russia and china at the same time.

Never ever believe when someone says the US military is weak---
 
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Hi,

The truth is that the US is not stretched thin---. It is just a 'smoke screen ' setup by the US defence department for more funds---.

The US military has enough firepower and some to spare to take on Russia and china at the same time.

Never ever believe when someone says the US military is weak---
agreed but it was not the fire power that resulted in demise of soviet but its economy ... US is stretched in terms of enemies and its economy is already too debt burdened to bear any major war ... War with Japan was a differnt story as in WW2 there were no resources capable to attack US mainland but with modern weapon systems US can equally feel the heat ...

THere is no doubt that US is sole super power but US cannot harm China without burning itself therefore they will not directly engage China ... Even economically taking on China is harmful in long run as China owns most of the US debt
 
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agreed but it was not the fire power that resulted in demise of soviet but its economy ... US is stretched in terms of enemies and its economy is already too debt burdened to bear any major war ... War with Japan was a differnt story as in WW2 there were no resources capable to attack US mainland but with modern weapon systems US can equally feel the heat ...

THere is no doubt that US is sole super power but US cannot harm China without burning itself therefore they will not directly engage China ... Even economically taking on China is harmful in long run as China owns most of the US debt
Mr khan was not quoting world war 2 jap us war rather the 19th century when the US basically showed up with powerful galleys and battleships with massive cannons , in a Japan where the meiji reforms had not yet taken place and all other weapons except swords were banned, the Japanese had a isolated economy then no trade was allowed with foreigners but the Americans basically said open up your trade and trade with use or we will bomb you to kingdom come, this then triggered Japan to modernise and arm itself and it then still failed to defeat the US in world war 2 , the US single handedly fight the entire world alone , they invest 1 trillion a year in defence , the tech they have they are researching computers which can use more numbers than common binarys 0 and 1 , opening computational power never before even imagined
 
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agreed but it was not the fire power that resulted in demise of soviet but its economy ... US is stretched in terms of enemies and its economy is already too debt burdened to bear any major war ... War with Japan was a differnt story as in WW2 there were no resources capable to attack US mainland but with modern weapon systems US can equally feel the heat ...

THere is no doubt that US is sole super power but US cannot harm China without burning itself therefore they will not directly engage China ... Even economically taking on China is harmful in long run as China owns most of the US debt


Hi,

That is what most people don't understand---it was indeed the firepower that subdued soviet russia---.

The real killer was the Book " The Hunt For Red October "---that showed the russians how impotent they were---. Clancy laid the russian subs and US technology out in the open---.

Hardly anyone knows about the US air strikes on russia in 1951---. The US air force smashed a russian air base and the russians took it silently---without even a whimper---maybe a 100 russian aircraft destroyed on the high side---and not a breath of a leak about the strike---.

the US fire power is monstrous---

The US wanted trade with japan---the japanese emperor refused at first---then Commodore Perry bombed the naval port and city from his ships---the japanese were helpless---they bowed down and signed----.
 
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Mr khan was not quoting world war 2 jap us war rather the 19th century when the US basically showed up with powerful galleys and battleships with massive cannons , in a Japan where the meiji reforms had not yet taken place and all other weapons except swords were banned, the Japanese had a isolated economy then no trade was allowed with foreigners but the Americans basically said open up your trade and trade with use or we will bomb you to kingdom come, this then triggered Japan to modernise and arm itself and it then still failed to defeat the US in world war 2 , the US single handedly fight the entire world alone , they invest 1 trillion a year in defence , the tech they have they are researching computers which can use more numbers than common binarys 0 and 1 , opening computational power never before even imagined

Look if you are going to be awed by American technological excellence like a virgin with her husband on the first night, then maybe you are better off looking after your husband rather than posting here. Thus MastanKhan is an American agent who loses no opportunity to create an aura of American invincibility in people's minds.

Quantum computing isn't a solely American domain. In fact, we have one of the world's leading research programs here in Australia. There is research going on in China as well. There was a time when the Americans were relaticely secluded because of the oceans on two sides, an insular economy. And the rest of the world was too caught up in its own problems. Those times are gone now. Wealth is spreading in China, who is making sure there is a block of nations to support it. People have clued up to science and technology. And the decision to outsource manufacturing has caused America to lose its invulnerability. Today, the real advantage America has is that of numbers. It has Britain, France, Australia all willing to join against China in the SCS. These are in turn wealthy and technologically advanced nations. And as a block they are willing to defend their economic and geographic interests.

Power is both hard and soft. Half of American power comes from dolts who have no deep knowledge of science and technology, but get overawed that the Americans are researching higher order computing. Really, if you actually belong to the Armed Forces of Pakistan, then I am ashamed at the soldiers we are producing. Pathetic.
 
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Hardly anyone knows about the US air strikes on russia in 1951---. The US air force smashed a russian air base and the russians took it silently---without even a whimper---maybe a 100 russian aircraft destroyed on the high side---and not a breath of a leak about the strike---.

the US fire power is monstrous---

It was 7 aircraft, and the situation was handled diplomatically. Neither side wanted the Korean War to escalate.
 
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Look if you are going to be awed by American technological excellence like a virgin with her husband on the first night, then maybe you are better off looking after your husband rather than posting here. Thus MastanKhan is an American agent who loses no opportunity to create an aura of American invincibility in people's minds.

Quantum computing isn't a solely American domain. In fact, we have one of the world's leading research programs here in Australia. There is research going on in China as well. There was a time when the Americans were relaticely secluded because of the oceans on two sides, an insular economy. And the rest of the world was too caught up in its own problems. Those times are gone now. Wealth is spreading in China, who is making sure there is a block of nations to support it. People have clued up to science and technology. And the decision to outsource manufacturing has caused America to lose its invulnerability. Today, the real advantage America has is that of numbers. It has Britain, France, Australia all willing to join against China in the SCS. These are in turn wealthy and technologically advanced nations. And as a block they are willing to defend their economic and geographic interests.

Power is both hard and soft. Half of American power comes from dolts who have no deep knowledge of science and technology, but get overawed that the Americans are researching higher order computing. Really, if you actually belong to the Armed Forces of Pakistan, then I am ashamed at the soldiers we are producing. Pathetic.
Sir respectfully please mind your language thank you,
What I was merely trying to imply is that as of now US fire power is too much for any nation to bear, this may or may not change in the near future however as of now facts point in this direction,
As much as I'd like to claim that Pakistan can take the Americans on easily I can't, however the weakness of the Americans is sub conventional warfare and that happens to be Pakistan's forte,
Don't address me disrespectfuly again please unless I have done the same to you, criticise my statements that's welcome but not calling me a virgin with her husband on the first night
 
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Hi,

You are as clueless about the subject matter that you always were---.

Absolutely no concept at all---.

F 16 is late 60's early 70's technology---anyone able to duplicate it for performance---? It is the benchmark---.

Don't you feel embarrassed with yourself with these sub standard posts---.
And the current F-16 benefits from that 40+ years of knowledge. It is still being tested and improved by the Flight Test Squadrons at Edwards AFB and Eglin AFB for experimental and operational tests respectively.

Not many have come close to duplicating its performance (as a Viper guy I maybe biased....closest I have seen that may be better is the Rafale...that machine can perform).....

Cheers !!!
 
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And the current F-16 benefits from that 40+ years of knowledge. It is still being tested and improved by the Flight Test Squadrons at Edwards AFB and Eglin AFB for experimental and operational tests respectively.

Not many have come close to duplicating its performance (as a Viper guy I maybe biased....closest I have seen that may be better is the Rafale...that machine can perform).....

Cheers !!!

The new one isn't good though. Comes with a CFT with refueler. Without it, you get bad range and no refueling. With it, you barely get acceptable range, but inferior performance.

The variants you guys operate is better at air superiority, performance-wise.
 
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The new one isn't good though. Comes with a CFT with refueler. Without it, you get bad range and no refueling. With it, you barely get acceptable range, but inferior performance.

The variants you guys operate is better at air superiority, performance-wise.
The A/B model is the best interceptor out there these days....even NATO has kept their jets long in the game. The new one is a class of its own...flies just as good and it can fly easily 2-2.5 hours without the CFT. Performance is still superb....
 
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The A/B model is the best interceptor out there these days....even NATO has kept their jets long in the game. The new one is a class of its own...flies just as good and it can fly easily 2-2.5 hours without the CFT. Performance is still superb....

It failed to meet our performance requirements though. Even the Brazilians pointed out performance problems with the aircraft.

The F-16's peaked with the Block 50/52. Beyond that, they are just piling on whatever they can on top of everything in order to keep it relevant. The engine has been able to keep up with the weight increase, but the fuel load has not changed.
 
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