Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Asifkamal]

I totally agree. Its not 2003 even, what to talk about 1983. I was a child when ptv khabarnama in 1983 announced first 3 f16 entereing pakistani skies. Now after 33 years, we are still considering it as best option??? And what to atalk about that we have infrastructure for it. Egypt purchased rafale and mig 29 in same year.Though they are operating f16 since 3 decades.can,t we induldge a new aircraft? Why not try for grippen, eurofighter or su35?? If we can purchase 6 to 8 chinease submarienes at 4 to 5 billion dollars, why not 60 lettest fighter aircrafts. These subs will not defend us against rafale or su30. And time is running ....

 

[araz]

I totally agree. Its not 2003 even, what to talk about 1983. I was a child when ptv khabarnama in 1983 announced first 3 f16 entereing pakistani skies. Now after 33 years, we are still considering it as best option??? And what to atalk about that we have infrastructure for it. Egypt purchased rafale and mig 29 in same year.Though they are operating f16 since 3 decades.can,t we induldge a new aircraft? Why not try for grippen, eurofighter or su35?? If we can purchase 6 to 8 chinease submarienes at 4 to 5 billion dollars, why not 60 lettest fighter aircrafts. These subs will not defend us against rafale or su30. And time is running ....

Your querries have been discussed to death. Please read thelast 100 pages for the reasons why F16s are being procured.
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[fatman17]

I totally agree. Its not 2003 even, what to talk about 1983. I was a child when ptv khabarnama in 1983 announced first 3 f16 entereing pakistani skies. Now after 33 years, we are still considering it as best option??? And what to atalk about that we have infrastructure for it. Egypt purchased rafale and mig 29 in same year.Though they are operating f16 since 3 decades.can,t we induldge a new aircraft? Why not try for grippen, eurofighter or su35?? If we can purchase 6 to 8 chinease submarienes at 4 to 5 billion dollars, why not 60 lettest fighter aircrafts. These subs will not defend us against rafale or su30. And time is running ....

Egypt s Rafale and MiG 29s subsidised by KSA.

 

[ziaulislam]

Egypt s Rafale and MiG 29s subsidised by KSA.

completely paid!..so are there f-16s!

 

[fatman17]

completely paid!..so are there f-16s!

Correct paid by KSA. Egypt is in dire straits

 

[volatile]

KSA paid for all recent Egypt major purchases .Egyptian are at the moment milking Saudi`s like any thing

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Those were the dividends of first gulf war for Egypt. As usual we dithered and squarely sat on the wall.

 

[humza_313]

Viper Closeup

 

[fatman17]

Those were the dividends of first gulf war for Egypt. As usual we dithered and squarely sat on the wall.

Actually to reward sissi for over throwing the Muslim brotherhood govt.

 

[aziqbal]

Those were the dividends of first gulf war for Egypt. As usual we dithered and squarely sat on the wall.

Yes and the deal is if KSA requires support Egypt will have to make those assets available like it or not

Same way USA weighs in for its allies then those allies needs to make available when required

KSA isn't giving away money for free there is always a agenda, recent war in Yemen is good example

 

[MastanKhan]

I totally agree. Its not 2003 even, what to talk about 1983. I was a child when ptv khabarnama in 1983 announced first 3 f16 entereing pakistani skies. Now after 33 years, we are still considering it as best option??? And what to atalk about that we have infrastructure for it. Egypt purchased rafale and mig 29 in same year.Though they are operating f16 since 3 decades.can,t we induldge a new aircraft? Why not try for grippen, eurofighter or su35?? If we can purchase 6 to 8 chinease submarienes at 4 to 5 billion dollars, why not 60 lettest fighter aircrafts. These subs will not defend us against rafale or su30. And time is running ....

Hi,

You are absolutely correct---the subs won't protect against the SU's and rafales---the 5 billion would have been better spent 3 billion SU35 and SU 34 and 2 billion on 052 054 type frigates

 

[fatman17]

The Express Tribune

US senator does not expect Pakistan F-16 sale to be blocked
Senator Paul invoked legislation to stop sale by passing Resolution of Disapproval, calling Pakistan an uncertain ally
By Reuters
Published: March 10, 2016


A Pakistani F-16 fighter performs during a ceremony marking Pakistan Defence Day in Islamabad, Pakistan, September 6, 2015. PHOTO: REUTERS

WASHINGTON: US Senator Ben Cardin, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on Wednesday he does not expect an upcoming vote on a $700 million sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan to keep the deal from going ahead.

However, he said there was still discussion of whether US taxpayer funds could be used to finance the purchase.

Arms transfer: US issues notification of F-16 sale to Pakistan

President Barack Obama’s administration announced on Feb 12 that it had approved the sale of the Lockheed Martin Corp aircraft as well as radars and other equipment to Pakistan.

It drew immediate criticism from India and concern from some members of Congress.

Republican Senator Rand Paul in late February invoked legislation known as the Arms Export Control Act in the hope of stopping the sale by passing a Resolution of Disapproval, calling Pakistan “an uncertain ally.”

Cardin told reporters he opposed Paul’s resolution and expected it would fail, with the chamber’s Republican and Democratic leaders opposing it. The measure could be taken up by the Senate as soon as Thursday.

Cardin said lawmakers had concerns about Pakistan’s nuclear program, commitment to fighting terrorist organisations and cooperation in the Afghanistan peace process but generally supported the sale.

Kerry defends proposed sale of F-16s to Pakistan

“It was not controversial that Pakistan needs to modernize its air force and its counter insurgency and counter-terrorism activities, particularly in the mountainous territory of the border with Afghanistan,” he said.

Congress is currently considering a request to “reprogram” some funds, in other words, use them for a different purpose than allocated in a budget bill, to help finance the deal.

Cardin said he was not yet prepared to make a judgment on whether US taxpayer funds should be used to help Pakistan with the purchase.

 

[mingle]

According Haris PDF PAF intending to buy 10 more new BlK 52s

 

[Bratva]

Your querries have been discussed to death. Please read thelast 100 pages for the reasons why F16s are being procured.
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Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, urged his colleagues to reject Paul's measure and allow the sale to proceed. Corker acknowledged that Pakistan has been "duplicitous" with the United States, but said rejecting the sale would have publicly embarrassed Islamabad and led Pakistan to buy fighters from Russia or France.


Corker said that he and Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the committee, have agreed to bar the use of any U.S. financial support for the deal until "there are behavior changes that take place in Pakistan."


The sale also gives the U.S. leverage over the long haul with Islamabad, Corker said. The F-16 deal comes with 30 years of maintenance, which Corker said could be withdrawn at any time. That would leave Pakistan without the parts and expertise to keep the high-tech aircraft in the air.


"Publicly embarrassing them and sending them to Russia or to France to buy fighter jets ends that leverage," Corker said.

Source: Bid to block Pakistan F-16 sale fails in U.S. Senate

 

[ziaulislam]

According Haris PDF PAF intending to buy 10 more new BlK 52s

yes clearly mentioned previously by air chief that they wanted 18 but they didnt had money for 18 just for 8!!
it seems we are paying for these from our pockets(through probably the US assistance that comes for covering operational costs and transit fees)