Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[MastanKhan]

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, urged his colleagues to reject Paul's measure and allow the sale to proceed. Corker acknowledged that Pakistan has been "duplicitous" with the United States, but said rejecting the sale would have publicly embarrassed Islamabad and led Pakistan to buy fighters from Russia or France.


Corker said that he and Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the committee, have agreed to bar the use of any U.S. financial support for the deal until "there are behavior changes that take place in Pakistan."


The sale also gives the U.S. leverage over the long haul with Islamabad, Corker said. The F-16 deal comes with 30 years of maintenance, which Corker said could be withdrawn at any time. That would leave Pakistan without the parts and expertise to keep the high-tech aircraft in the air.


"Publicly embarrassing them and sending them to Russia or to France to buy fighter jets ends that leverage," Corker said.

Source: Bid to block Pakistan F-16 sale fails in U.S. Senate

Hi,

So that inadvertantly means that the chief of pakistan air force is committing treason against the state.

And that is being clearly stated by the good senator----give them enough rope to hang thesleves---give them the F16's and they will strangulate themselves with it.

I was not wrong.

 

[Quwa]

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, urged his colleagues to reject Paul's measure and allow the sale to proceed. Corker acknowledged that Pakistan has been "duplicitous" with the United States, but said rejecting the sale would have publicly embarrassed Islamabad and led Pakistan to buy fighters from Russia or France.


Corker said that he and Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the committee, have agreed to bar the use of any U.S. financial support for the deal until "there are behavior changes that take place in Pakistan."


The sale also gives the U.S. leverage over the long haul with Islamabad, Corker said. The F-16 deal comes with 30 years of maintenance, which Corker said could be withdrawn at any time. That would leave Pakistan without the parts and expertise to keep the high-tech aircraft in the air.


"Publicly embarrassing them and sending them to Russia or to France to buy fighter jets ends that leverage," Corker said.

Source: Bid to block Pakistan F-16 sale fails in U.S. Senate

Sounds like Corker was anticipating a breakdown in Dassault's deal with India, and a quick-fire Rafale sale to Pakistan in its place. The defence world would go abuzz.

 

[Paksanity]

Hi,

So that inadvertantly means that the chief of pakistan air force is committing treason against the state.

And that is being clearly stated by the good senator----give them enough rope to hang thesleves---give them the F16's and they will strangulate themselves with it.

I was not wrong.

All F-16 sales come with same conditions to 25 different nations. At least 25 Air Chiefs committed this treason world over. Your logic makes every arm import a treason.

 

[Khafee]

completely paid!..so are there f-16s!

No the Egyptian F-16's come free from the US as per the '79 Camp David accord.
Camp David Accords and the Arab-Israeli Peace Process - 1977–1980 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

 

[Cool Mind]

Pakistan need F-16 from america to war against terror. Latest tech can help us to control over terror.

American Senator Bean Carton

 

[Paksanity]

WTF---are you going stupid now----. Are you that much out of your mind----what other nation has a conflict with the U S like pakistan----have you lost your marbles----.

What other 24 nations has the U S sanctioned prior----.

Are you so immune to your stupidity that you don't even realize what you are saying---.

Pakistan does not have conflict with US nor is likely to have. No other nation went nuclear way against US wishes. Yet some were sanctioned. Yet they went for US weapons again e.g. Egypt. Air Chief does not have the crystal ball. Yet. He has no control over diplomacy and budget. He has to do within what little room he has. Most people including professionals and even Indians think Air Force has got a genuinely good deal. Some including you sir, do not. In the end, it is his opinion which matters most. I do not see how his actions can be called treason (that's a pretty heavy word)? In the absence of reliable crystal ball and unlikely event of sanctions, it will at best be called 'error in judgement'. Yet it will not hurt Pakistan's interests as bad since we already have Chinese aircraft too.

 

[mingle]

Sounds like Corker was anticipating a breakdown in Dassault's deal with India, and a quick-fire Rafale sale to Pakistan in its place. The defence world would go abuzz.

I don't think but a separate deal is possible with Pak either French or British .

 

[MastanKhan]

Pakistan does not have conflict with US nor is likely to have. No other nation went nuclear way against US wishes. Yet some were sanctioned. Yet they went for US weapons again e.g. Egypt. Air Chief does not have the crystal ball. Yet. He has no control over diplomacy and budget. He has to do within what little room he has. Most people including professionals and even Indians think Air Force has got a genuinely good deal. Some including you sir, do not. In the end, it is his opinion which matters most. I do not see how his actions can be called treason (that's a pretty heavy word)? In the absence of reliable crystal ball and unlikely event of sanctions, it will at best be called 'error in judgement'. Yet it will not hurt Pakistan's interests as bad since we already have Chinese aircraft too.

Sir,

Please name one nation who was sanctioned and went back for the F16's and did not have an alternate primary or superior aircraft.

The paf does have a great deal---but not without a parallel capability or another superior aircraft.

The air chief has the crystal ball---the senator is telling him what he will do in due time---like in a same manner another senator was telling pakistan what he would do years ago.

What else is a crystal ball if that is not the one----. Or is your definition of a crystal ball is like until a rock does not fall on the head till then the future cannot be foretold!

This is not a frigging office work that there is an ERROR IN JUDGEMENT---this is a war machine---error in judgement mean loss of nation hood---ERROR IN JUDGEMENTS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE-----ohhhhhhh---doobly gookkkk----sorry---I had an error in judgement---everybody was telling me that there might be sanctions coming----but I took the gamble-----so sorry. Fight your war now on your own---I am already retired and living in the west with my family ( ACM )----

Kid grow up----there is no recourse in the middle of a war---.

 

[ziaulislam]

No the Egyptian F-16's come free from the US as per the '79 Camp David accord.
Camp David Accords and the Arab-Israeli Peace Process - 1977–1980 - Milestones - Office of the Historian

i meant they come free..obviously saudi dont pay for the f-16 uncle sam does
every body knows that

 

[khanasifm]

Additional F-16s for Pakistan may hit hurdles

 

[sami_1]

Correct paid by KSA. Egypt is in dire straits

Are you kidding Egypt bought weapons negotiate Other exceed 20 billion dollars in two years

4 GoWIND Corvette 1.4 Billion euro

Buy the Rafale and the FREMM multipurpose frigate valued at 5.2 billion euros

2 MISTRAL LHD billion dollar
Egypt Buys Mistrals; Kitting Out With KA-52 & KA-52K worth two billion dollars
Other deal
Egypt is seeking radio and electronic equipment worth at least US $ 1 billion to equip and ope-rationalize the Mistral helicopter carriers.

Russian Firm: Progress Made To Equip Radio Systems for Egyptian Carriers

A preliminary deal with Russia worth $ 3.5 billion
Other deal to buy 50 MiG-35 $ 2.2 billion
Under Negotiation
Other deal to buy 10 jets NH90 more latter

Other deal to buy 12 A400M $ 2 billion



There are negotiations to buy 12-24 Sukhoi 35 aircraft this year
The negotiations for the purchase of 2 corvette GOWIND and 2 passage of a ship coastal worth $ 580 million
Under the negotiated contracts Bamh 2 billion dollars to more evil S-air defense batteries 300V4 and BUK-MUE

Under the negotiated contract for the purchase of between 6-12 IL-76MD-90A

Under the negotiated contract for the production of T-14 Armata in Egypt and the T-15 and a contract for the production of 600 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV's deal to exceed $ 6 billion
Egypt is currently negotiating to buy the new batch fighter contested by MIG-35 & J-10B to replace the J-7 & MIRAGE-5

Gulf gave Egypt granting loans and economic, not military

Egyptian President denied that the Gulf pay for arms deals and it was overpriced stores Egyptian army over 20 years


The dire situation in fact some think

 

[ZedZeeshan]

I Saudi's gave helped them buy these weapons. Nawaz Shareef will seek help in metro train Projects...lol

 

[ejaz007]

The Government of Pakistan – F-16 Block 52 Aircraft

WASHINGTON, Feb. 12, 2016 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Pakistan for F-16 Block 52 Aircraft, equipment, training, and logistics support. The estimated cost is $699.04 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on February 11, 2016.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:

Major Defense Equipment (MDE):
Eight (8) F-16 Block 52 aircraft (two (2) C and six (6) D models), with the F100-PW-229 increased
performance engine
Fourteen (14) Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)

Non-MDE items included in this request are eight (8) AN/APG-68(V)9 radars, and eight (8) ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS). Additionally, this possible sale includes spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistical and program support. The estimated cost of MDE is $564.68 million. The total estimated cost is $699.04 million.

This proposed sale contributes to U.S. foreign policy objectives and national security goals by helping to improve the security of a strategic partner in South Asia.

The proposed sale improves Pakistan's capability to meet current and future security threats. These additional F-16 aircraft will facilitate operations in all-weather, non-daylight environments, provide a self-defense/area suppression capability, and enhance Pakistan’s ability to conduct counter-insurgency and counterterrorism operations.

This sale will increase the number of aircraft available to the Pakistan Air Force to sustain operations, meet monthly training requirements, and support transition training for pilots new to the Block-52. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing these additional aircraft into its air force.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

Contractors have not been selected to support this proposed sale. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to Pakistan.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

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The Government of Pakistan – F-16 Block 52 Aircraft | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

 

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