Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Last Hope]

^^^ He is saying it right.... literally.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Now decide F16, J10, J11, or J17
Chengdu J-10
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[28][44] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
Combat radius: 1600 km[45] with in-flight refueling
1100 km without in flight refueling[34] ()
Ferry range: 3200 km [34] ()
Service ceiling: 20,300 m [34] (66,601 ft [34][46])
Wing loading: 335 kg/m² (69 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.98 (with AL-31); 1.03 (with WS-10A)


F-16 Falcon
Performance
Maximum speed:
At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[44]
At altitude: Mach 2+ (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h[1]) clean configuration
Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 60,000+ ft (18,000+ m)
Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.095



Shenyang J-11Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,500 km/h, 1,550 mph) at altitude
Range: 3,530 km (2,070 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,500 m (62,523 ft)
Rate of climb: 300 m/s[29] (64,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 371.0 kg/m² (76 lb/ft²)

Jf17 Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[10][47] (1,191 knots, 2,205 km/h)
Combat radius: 1,352 km[16] (840 mi)
Ferry range: 3,480 km[131] (1,880 NM = 2,160 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m[131] (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [10][16]

I believe Pakistan should go for J11B or J11S if offered, because J11 have maximum speed of 2500Km/h more than F16 and latest Indian Su-30MKI(max speed 2,120 km/h).Speed is also important factor Its ok Pak have F16s, But i can't see,there is any
reason to buy More f16 B52+. Not bad to rely on Jf17Block-ii, J11 and J10B in future. In current
scenario J10B is also awesome choice,Current F16s are still threat to india.

 

[danger007]

Now decide F16, J10, J11, or J17
Chengdu J-10
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[28][44] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
Combat radius: 1600 km[45] with in-flight refueling
1100 km without in flight refueling[34] ()
Ferry range: 3200 km [34] ()
Service ceiling: 20,300 m [34] (66,601 ft [34][46])
Wing loading: 335 kg/m² (69 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.98 (with AL-31); 1.03 (with WS-10A)


F-16 Falcon
Performance
Maximum speed:
At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[44]
At altitude: Mach 2+ (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h[1]) clean configuration
Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 60,000+ ft (18,000+ m)
Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.095



Shenyang J-11Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,500 km/h, 1,550 mph) at altitude
Range: 3,530 km (2,070 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,500 m (62,523 ft)
Rate of climb: 300 m/s[29] (64,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 371.0 kg/m² (76 lb/ft²)

Jf17 Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[10][47] (1,191 knots, 2,205 km/h)
Combat radius: 1,352 km[16] (840 mi)
Ferry range: 3,480 km[131] (1,880 NM = 2,160 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m[131] (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [10][16]

I believe Pakistan should go for J11B or J11S if offered, because J11 have maximum speed of 2500Km/h more than F16 and latest Indian Su-30MKI(max speed 2,120 km/h).Speed is also important factor Its ok Pak have F16s, But i can't see,there is any
reason to buy More f16 B52+. Not bad to rely on Jf17Block-ii, J11 and J10B in future. In current
scenario J10B is also awesome choice,Current F16s are still thread to india.

thread??? ..

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

My Bad, its threat , Now happy?

 

[danger007]

My Bad, its threat , Now happy?

How??? F-16 giving minimum deterrence to pakistan, how suppose it a threat to India.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

F-16 giving minimum deterrence to pakistan
Where i said this??
I was talking about F-16 Block 52, i said there is no need to go for more, if we have Alternatives of this.

how suppose it a threat to India.
F16 Block 52 is threat for every defense. This is great bird. People who ignores it or called it as trash,I believe, this is their
perception.
Even In US,The F-16 is scheduled to remain in service with the U.S. Air Force until 2025

 

[Cool_Soldier]

No doubt F-16 blk-52 is a good bird with bvr missiles.
we are preferring J10b due to sanction prone fighter and easy availability.

 

[Manticore]

Lockheed Martin is making progress with F-35 development, as its latest flight-test update shows, but its customers are grappling with the reality of a five-year delay in developing the aircraft, as a Congressional hearing last week made clear.

Because of the delays, the US Air Force will soon announce a program to extend the service life and upgrade the avionics of 300-350 Block 40/50 F-16s at a cost of $9.4 million per aircraft, Lt Gen Herbert Carlisle, deputy chief of staff for operations, plans and requirements, told Congress.

This will extend their airframe life to 10,000hr from 8,000hr, another eight years of service life keeping the F-16 on the front line until 2030. The life-extension could be expanded to up to 600 F-16s if there are further F-35 delays, but Carlisle said he did not believe the Air Force would have to go that far. USAF in the 2020s -- F-15s, F-16s ... and U-2s?

 

[Storm Force]

Great combat plane the block 52.

PAF needs more like 150 block 52s and not just 18

JFT is a decade away from being mature enough. combat ready enough and TRUSTED enough to do the SAME JOB as falcon 52

 

[Last Hope]

No we don't. Even if they are offered and is economically affordable, they will be nuisance for us, after 5-6 years. ^^^

 

[danger007]

F-16 giving minimum deterrence to pakistan
Where i said this??
I was talking about F-16 Block 52, i said there is no need to go for more, if we have Alternatives of this.

how suppose it a threat to India.
F16 Block 52 is threat for every defense. This is great bird. People who ignores it or called it as trash,I believe, this is their
perception.
Even In US,The F-16 is scheduled to remain in service with the U.S. Air Force until 2025

i know about block 52 well. as you are having 18 of them how suppose it a threat to IAF. mig-29, f-16 blk 52 almost both can give good competition. 18 is not enough ........

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

40 of them

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i know about block 52 well. as you are having 18 of them how suppose it a threat to IAF. mig-29, f-16 blk 52 almost both can give good competition. 18 is not enough ........

42 F-16s are already in upgrade process in turkey, should be 62 in coming months.
FC-20 is indeed J-10B, I don't think in presence of j10B and JF17blockii, F-16 BLK52 has much of a
chance >62.

 

[Dazzler]

i know about block 52 well. as you are having 18 of them how suppose it a threat to IAF. mig-29, f-16 blk 52 almost both can give good competition. 18 is not enough ........

IAF mig29 in current form (not upgraded to M, SMT, or other similar standard) is no match to paf blk 52 in terms of radar, weapons, avionics, EW and even range. try to be a bit sensible yar

 

[soul hacker]

sir nabil after mlu of over f16 fleet, will it be equal to indian mig 29 ang mirage 2000 interms of perfomance?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It will be equal to blk 52+ minus the range!