Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[SQ8]

@monitor:we may even buy norwegian blk 52s!

The modernized F-16's are known as F-16AM's and BM's.
The block still stays the same.. structural changes between the blocks make the difference. No pre 30 block has the common engine bay.. so must use the P&W engine.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I guess before we aquire the F16 used , from Norway we really need to ask our seleves

a) Do technologically can we update the planes in next 4-5 years
with AESA radars and other enhacements?

b) What about spares and parts ?

My understanding is that Pakistan is getting these extra 60 planes
as spares so if we have 140 planes in inventory we can use 20 of these for spare parts etc

But perhaps we should just buy the spareparts while the F16 Manufacturing companies are still open in US


F16 is a wonderful plane , but I would be more comfortable with such high inventories if we had the TOT as we will be able to make our own parts etc or integrate new ones

But its a win win situation for us if the planes will cost us $5 Million / plane which I doubt is true


A 150 F16 plane inventory is perfect for our Defence Needs

But we also need 300 JF17 thunders and J10B

The major problem with F16 is that it comes with Western Avionics , which mean its codes and , signals are known to alot of people , which makes flying these planes vs certain nations a risk ... for our Airforce -


This is why Turkey flies its planes with its own Avionics and electronics

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Their is no point of using block 10-15 as spare parts since eventually PAF entire F-16 fleet will be upgraded to block 52 standard. IMO if PAF does manage to induct these planes they are gonna be upgraded to MLU M4 or M5.

 

[SQ8]

Their is no point of using block 10-15 as spare parts since eventually PAF entire F-16 fleet will be upgraded to block 52 standard. IMO if PAF does manage to induct these planes they are gonna be upgraded to MLU M4 or M5.

Actually there is.
The upgrade program features replacement of avionics..such as radar, cockpit systems, computer etc.
But the thingamachik on the block 15 MLU in the left wing is the same thingamachik after an upgrade.
So screws..panels.. pneumatics, Wing, tail, fuselage, gears, nose.. all remain the same.
That is a lot of useful spare parts.

 

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PAF F-16C block 52 #10908 is seen coming into land at NAS Fort Worth on November 10th, 2010.

 

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December 15, 2010 (by Lieven Dewitte) - Pakistan received the last five F-16s of a batch of 18 ordered from the United States on December 13th.

Pakistan had signed a contract with the US administration in 2006 for 18 F-16 C/D block 52 aircraft.

The arrival of the five jets marked the delivery of all 18 planes by the US, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said.

The jets flew into Shahbaz airbase in Jacobabad city in southern Sindh province, after a stop over at Lajes Field, Azores.

The F-16 C/D Block 52 jets are equipped with a sophisticated avionics suite and latest weapons with night precision attack capability. The jets were acquired by the PAF as part of its bid to modernise and
enhance its air defence capabilities.

This is the fourth batch of new F-16s delivered; the first delivery of three took place June 27. Subsequent deliveries were made on October 30 and November 20.

Additionally, the U.S. is working with the PAF to update 45 F-16s from its existing fighter fleet through the U.S. Foreign Military Financing security assistance program. When the updates are completed, these aircraft will have capabilities similar to those of the new F-16s, including advanced communications and a precision targeting system. The first batch of updated F-16s is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan in early 2012.

http://www.f-16.net/news_article4267.html

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

i would like to add some pictorial presentation to Santro's info, as many people here seems to be confused about MLU f-16's physical appearance.

Example from Portugal F-16 MLU process

F-16 A/B without MLU

Under going MLU

Flight test, in primary colors after converting: OCU to MLU

The physical differences b/w F-16 A/B and MLU are couples of antennas in front of cockpit and wingtip rails, rest remains same.

Same would be done with our birds.

 

[Mani2020]

oh man its canopy kills me, inspite of Russian tech they havenot still come-up with something like this beast's bubbly canopy

 

[fatman17]

Badger pilots deliver new Falcons to Pakistan

December 21, 2010 (by 115 FW) - On October 26, 2010, five pilots from the 176th Fighter Squadron departed the Lockheed Martin factory in Fort Worth, Texas, with five brand-new F-16 block 52 fighters, bound for Pakistan.



Maj. Bart Van Roo, Lt. Col. Doug Read and Maj. Chris Hansen (back row, center), pose with officials from the Pakistani Air Force after delivering three new F-16s to Shahbaz AB on October 30, 2010. They were the second batch of new F-16s being delivered as part of an order of 18 in the Peace Drive program of 2006.

Lt. Col. Doug Read led the five-ship flight, joined by Lt. Col. Charlie Merkel, Majors Chris Hansen and Bart Van Roo, and Captain Jon Hullsiek. Approaching the East Coast, Merkel's jet developed a problem and he and Hullsiek diverted to Burlington, Vermont.

The remaining three aircraft pressed on to Lajes Air Base, Azores, Portugal, then continued over the next few days to Souda Bay NAS, Crete, Greece, and arrived at Shahbaz AB, Pakistan on October 30. The two diverted jets were eventually returned to Fort Worth for more maintenance and will be delivered with the next two cells.

A large diplomatic gathering met the pilots as they landed at Shahbaz, including Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations and Brig. Gen. Michael Nagata, Deputy Commander of the Office of the Defense Representative to Pakistan.

There was a festive atmosphere for the arrival, complete with a large tent and welcoming party that, according to Lt. Col. Read, "...was a really big deal!" The new Pakistani squadron commander met the Americans and introduced them to the VIPs. A banquet ensued with the Badger pilots sitting at the head table. An official hand-over ceremony for the F-16s followed.

After the banquet, the pilots were airlifted by the Pakistani Air Force to Islamabad for their trip home.

Flight lead Read said he got to know the chief of Flight Operation at DCMA Lockheed when Read made two deliveries to Greece in 2009. When the opportunity came up to deliver these new jets to Pakistan, Read volunteered and had no trouble finding 176 FS pilots who wanted to join him. Major Van Roo had made one of the trips to Greece, as well.

The trips overseas to deliver new F-16s to our allies certainly give the opportunity to show our friends abroad the capabilities of the Air National Guard, the proficiency and professionalism of our pilots, and some good "face time", as we never know when our respective countries and fighter units may be called upon to serve side-by-side in combat.

Courtesy of 115th Fighter Wing Public Affairs

 

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Maj. Bart Van Roo, Lt. Col. Doug Read and Maj. Chris Hansen (back row, center), pose with officials from the Pakistani Air Force after delivering three new F-16s to Shahbaz AB on October 30, 2010. [USAF photo]

Maj. Bart Van Roo shake shands with Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan, PAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations on October 30, 2010, after delivering one of three new F-16s to the Pakistani Air Force. Lt. Col. Doug Read (second from right) and Maj. Chris Hansen delivered two more F-16s the same day. [USAF photo]

Lt. Col. Doug Read accepts a warm welcome at Shahbaz AB, Pakistan, after he and fellow 176th Fighter Squadron pilots Majors Bart Van Roo and Chris Hansen delivered three new F-16s to the Pakistani Air Force on October 30, 2010. [USAF photo]

 

[Tahiryounus]

Nice Thread

 

[Mani2020]

Nice Thread

We never new

Kindly introduce yourself first in Members introduction area

 

[Faheka]

Pakistani MLU?

 

[Manticore]

Pakistani MLU?

looks like an arrows paf insignia thanks for the pic!

 

[TaimiKhan]

It seems MLU of PAF F-16s have already started and seem to be at some advance stage.