Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[CivilianSupremacy]

I still think PAF will get additional F-16s down the line, but its not just fighter aircraft. We just acquired from C-130s with US nod. Very likely will get special mission aircraft, and potentially helis down the road too. Pakistan is in no position to cut off from the US, and the Americans will keep us engaged just enough.

Lets agree to disagree. Yes, there may be not much problems for logistics / transportation based equipment but nothing of any sort of "offensive" military equipment. Fighter combats is extremely unlikely in my opinion given the fact growing indo-US relations by every passing day and given the fact we were even denied the AH-1 helis and even the engines for ATAK turkish helis. So there is definite full stop on offensive capability including and especially on more F-16s. However, good for us things are not bad as they were in 90's, we got alternatives today. we are good. Our only worry is terrible economy.

 

[Talon]

A nice and clean Falcon at Shahbaz AFB

Not Shahbaz .. please avoid copy pasting pictures and captions from Facebook

 

[Windjammer]

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You did not read anything in Jang akhbaar. You were not born in 1981.


APG-68 achieved IoC in 1981. USAF Block 25's were the first ones to get it.

As always you seem too sure of yourself... And you are not.
I may have got the radar designation wrong but it certainly was reported as one of the issue for the delay.
You may have been a maternity nurse at some point but you certainly don't know when I was born and even if I was born in 1981, that would have made me less than two year old at the time... unable to read anything let alone The Jang. So your judgement like all else is blank... However I did read the news in the Jang. Maybe it was in 80s or was it an archive... I leave you to ponder on that. As I said, I may have got the Radar type wrong however it's never late for you to learn either.

F-16 delivery to Pakistan delayed

Although both sides firmly deny the agreement is at risk, what has been termed an 11th-hour ''misunderstanding'' has apparently prevented Pakistan

www.csmonitor.com

@SQ8 I guess some schooling is required.

 

[Windjammer]

Not Shahbaz .. please avoid copy pasting pictures and captions from Facebook

I posted the picture soon after it was released, the source told me that he happened to be flying in a Chopper over Nur Khan when he spotted the Air chiefs ride, as he landed there after leading the flypast.
Sadly, a few members keep posting and reposting and copy pasting everything and anything they see on FB.

 

[blain2]

The first batch that landed in Saudi Arab were initially refused by the PAF as it was found that they were incorporating a less capable radar, the aircraft remained there until they were fitted with the APG-68.

I am not sure how this could have happened (if we are talking about the very first F-16s) because the same initial pilots that went to train on the F-16s ferried our blk-15s back. Unless you are suggesting the USAF ferried them to KSA and then our pilots flew them back to Sargodha. Don't recall that to be the case.

 

[Gripen9]

Pakistan was initially offered a downgraded version also known as F-16/79 which was powered by a lower thrust J79 turbojet instead of the standard F100 engine. This was done based on directive from Jimmy Carter to curtail sales of tier 1 weapon systems to foreign countries in light of Iran fiasco.
Pakistan rejected from the get go. And there were none produced in such configuration. We got standard blk-15s.

 

[Windjammer]

I am not sure how this could have happened (if we are talking about the very first F-16s) because the same initial pilots that went to train on the F-16s ferried our blk-15s back. Unless you are suggesting the USAF ferried them to KSA and then our pilots flew them back to Sargodha. Don't recall that to be the case.

Kindly read posts # 16973....16975 and 16982 and 17076.
The so called TTs have some issues with me and are always jump in to negate me.
All said and done, there was a delay and the F-16s were held up in KSA for several days, at the time it was reported that the issue was regarding the radar on the aircraft, have also posted a link in this regards.
A former PAF Air Chief, who sadly is admitted in CMH Lahore these days, also confirmed that it were PAF pilots who ferried the first F-16s.

 

[GriffinsRule]

As always you seem too sure of yourself... And you are not.
I may have got the radar designation wrong but it certainly was reported as one of the issue for the delay.
You may have been a maternity nurse at some point but you certainly don't know when I was born and even if I was born in 1981, that would have made me less than two year old at the time... unable to read anything let alone The Jang. So your judgement like all else is blank... However I did read the news in the Jang. Maybe it was in 80s or was it an archive... I leave you to ponder on that. As I said, I may have got the Radar type wrong however it's never late for you to learn either.

F-16 delivery to Pakistan delayed

Although both sides firmly deny the agreement is at risk, what has been termed an 11th-hour ''misunderstanding'' has apparently prevented Pakistan

www.csmonitor.com

@SQ8 I guess some schooling is required.

In one of the PAF books, it does mention that PAF made sure to get the same EW equipment in their F-16s as USAF, and not a downgraded export version. Will check the relevant passages later, but might be all inter related.
Also I think we got some F-16s initially meant for one of the four European countries but it's been a while since I've read the history so don't quote me on this

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[SQ8]

As always you seem too sure of yourself... And you are not.
I may have got the radar designation wrong but it certainly was reported as one of the issue for the delay.
You may have been a maternity nurse at some point but you certainly don't know when I was born and even if I was born in 1981, that would have made me less than two year old at the time... unable to read anything let alone The Jang. So your judgement like all else is blank... However I did read the news in the Jang. Maybe it was in 80s or was it an archive... I leave you to ponder on that. As I said, I may have got the Radar type wrong however it's never late for you to learn either.

F-16 delivery to Pakistan delayed

Although both sides firmly deny the agreement is at risk, what has been termed an 11th-hour ''misunderstanding'' has apparently prevented Pakistan

www.csmonitor.com

@SQ8 I guess some schooling is required.

You can blame Jang Akhbar for misreporting but the APG-68 did not exist for export until later.

However, I do have it from F-16.net from two individuals - one is Pat Mcadoo callsign Gums who trained initial PAF cadre and the Johnwill who was a GD engineer that the APG-66 radar (and other avionics) on the PAF F-16s were modified with some additional capabilities vis a vis the threat they were facing and some PAF requests as well. What those are neither they stated nor do I know.

So technically both you and @airomerix are right so best to agree to disagree and not get into tu tu mein mein.

 

[blain2]

You can blame Jang Akhbar for misreporting but the APG-68 did not exist for export until later.

However, I do have it from F-16.net from two individuals - one is Pat Mcadoo callsign Gums who trained initial PAF cadre and the Johnwill who was a GD engineer that the APG-66 radar (and other avionics) on the PAF F-16s were modified with some additional capabilities vis a vis the threat they were facing and some PAF requests as well. What those are neither they stated nor do I know.

So technically both you and @airomerix are right so best to agree to disagree and not get into tu tu mein mein.

Pat Mcadoo was all praise for the PAF pilots. Good man!

 

[MastanKhan]

Something tells me these might be our final US origin fighter aircraft

Will these be Pakistan's version of Iran's F-14s

Hi,

One does not need to be a fortune teller to read the lines---.

 

[MastanKhan]

You can blame Jang Akhbar for misreporting but the APG-68 did not exist for export until later.

However, I do have it from F-16.net from two individuals - one is Pat Mcadoo callsign Gums who trained initial PAF cadre and the Johnwill who was a GD engineer that the APG-66 radar (and other avionics) on the PAF F-16s were modified with some additional capabilities vis a vis the threat they were facing and some PAF requests as well. What those are neither they stated nor do I know.

So technically both you and @airomerix are right so best to agree to disagree and not get into tu tu mein mein.

Hi,

I wish I had saved the issue of STANDARD EXAMINER daily newspaper from Ogden UT from early 80's.

Had the best reviews about the Paf pilots training at Hill AFB at that time---. Comparing them with pilots from other countries stating PAF pilots to be highly professional---very very competent---extremely fast learners---a full page review dedicated to Paf pilots---.

 

[ghazi52]

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[ghazi52]

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