Pakistan Expresses Concern over BMD Test by India

[MimophantSlayer]

Again point is Indian tech is way behind USA and USA has only to worry about ICBM and slbm but for India other means which we have like jets cruise etc r possible so if u wanna waste billions on an ABM which can be countered by millions via countermeasures with ondia having more poor then continent of Africa then be my guest
Fyi USA de MIRV minute man since 90s Obama came in late 2000s

Actually the point is pakistan is not USA and pak does not have ICBMs.
Also under development is our integrated Cruise missile defense which will use ground radars, Aerostat radars, satellites, AWACS, ground based quick reaction SAMs, etc to counter the threat of fighters and cruise missiles most of these systems have prototypes and have been tested or are being tested.

Countermeasures may cost less money and defense systems more but for a trillion dollar, one of the fastest growing economies like India it is a necessity and we will pursue it, you don't need to worry about our monetary problems, you need to worry about how effective our ABM is against your SRBMs, IRBMs and MRBMs.

Also, ad hominem about the poor. What does that have to do with ABMs?
India is a large nation of course we will have more poor, we are also one of the fastest to come out poverty among developing nations.

And my point about s400 was if USA believe it won't be much problem for there missile then nor would your ABM against ours

Your point is that you think that if Russia can't defend against USA then India won't be able to defend against pakistan.
That is under the assumption that your missiles are equivalent to the USA's ICBMs in capability which it is not.

Also Russia may not have anti ICBM capacity as of yet, however S-400 systems which India is likely to get can hit missiles with velocities similar to yours.

 

[khanmubashir]

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Actually the point is pakistan is not USA and pak does not have ICBMs.
Also under development is our integrated Cruise missile defense which will use ground radars, Aerostat radars, satellites, AWACS, ground based quick reaction SAMs, etc to counter the threat of fighters and cruise missiles most of these systems have prototypes and have been tested or are being tested.

Countermeasures may cost less money and defense systems more but for a trillion dollar, one of the fastest growing economies like India it is a necessity and we will pursue it, you don't need to worry about our monetary problems, you need to worry about how effective our ABM is against your SRBMs, IRBMs and MRBMs.

Also, ad hominem about the poor. What does that have to do with ABMs?
India is a large nation of course we will have more poor, we are also one of the fastest to come out poverty among developing nations.



Your point is that you think that if Russia can't defend against USA then India won't be able to defend against pakistan.
That is under the assumption that your missiles are equivalent to the USA's ICBMs in capability which it is not.

Also Russia may not have anti ICBM capacity as of yet, however S-400 systems which India is likely to get can hit missiles with velocities similar to yours.

My point is tech difference between India and Pak is lesser then between USA and Russia and if they both accpet they can't stop each other's nuclear strike FYI USA accept that it's ABM can't stop the strike form near peer like Russian and Chinese but only from nascent nuclear power like north Korea and Even that to some extent
While in nuclear capabilities Pak and India r at peer level

 

[MimophantSlayer]

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My point is tech difference between India and Pak is lesser then between USA and Russia

That's what you have been led to believe.

Russia has ICBM.
USA has ICBM.

India has ICBM.
Pakistan does not have ICBM.

Russia has BMD.
USA has BMD.

India has BMD.
Pakistan does not have BMD.

How is the "tech difference" less again?

and if they both accpet they can't stop each other's nuclear strike FYI USA accept that it's ABM can't stop the strike form near peer like Russian and Chinese but only from nascent nuclear power like north Korea and Even that to some extent
While in nuclear capabilities Pak and India r at peer level

Firstly' no one said that all BMs can be stopped only that majority of them can be stopped.

Secondly, you call North Korea nascent yet they have an ICBM and you don't.

Finally, in US vs Russia scenario if they engage in a full scale war and both use ICBMs and both stop say 60-80% of each others' ICBMs and when they have exhausted all their nukes, they duke it out conventionally of what is left.

In India vs Pak scenario, if we engage in a full scale war and ballistic missiles are used and lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that our BMD was able to defend against only 50% of your nukes, it still is not enough as our ballistic missiles are able to hit any strategic locations and cities without any challenge from pakistani ABMs as pak doesn't have any.
And as a result our conventional forces or whatever hypothetically is left of it is able to dominate.

So no, right now we are not on equal footing and we will continue to not be unless until Pak buys ABMs of its own.

 

[desimorty]

My point is tech difference between India and Pak is lesser then between USA and Russia and if they both accpet they can't stop each other's nuclear strike FYI USA accept that it's ABM can't stop the strike form near peer like Russian and Chinese but only from nascent nuclear power like north Korea and Even that to some extent
While in nuclear capabilities Pak and India r at peer level

Wow. You've been on this forum for more than a year yet you have learn't so little.

 

[khanmubashir]

That's what you have been led to believe.

Russia has ICBM.
USA has ICBM.

India has ICBM.
Pakistan does not have ICBM.

Russia has BMD.
USA has BMD.

India has BMD.
Pakistan does not have BMD.

How is the "tech difference" less again?



Firstly' no one said that all BMs can be stopped only that majority of them can be stopped.

Secondly, you call North Korea nascent yet they have an ICBM and you don't.

Finally, in US vs Russia scenario if they engage in a full scale war and both use ICBMs and both stop say 60-80% of each others' ICBMs and when they have exhausted all their nukes, they duke it out conventionally of what is left.

In India vs Pak scenario, if we engage in a full scale war and ballistic missiles are used and lets give you the benefit of the doubt and say that our BMD was able to defend against only 50% of your nukes, it still is not enough as our ballistic missiles are able to hit any strategic locations and cities without any challenge from pakistani ABMs as pak doesn't have any.
And as a result our conventional forces or whatever hypothetically is left of it is able to dominate.

So no, right now we are not on equal footing and we will continue to not be unless until Pak buys ABMs of its own.

India be able to intercept 50% what r u smoking
your DRDO can't even make a decent gun insas your Arjun and Teja r rejected
And u r dreaming of success level that of USA who spends more on ABM then. Your whole defense budget and India doesn't enjoy geographic isolation and time gap that comes with as does USA so keep dreaming
Pakistan has capabilities to build ICBM any country that can build 2000+ km missile can make one we didn't because not ours strategic requirement but we did made MIRV but u haven't yet bc it was for us comparing your bmd to USA is like comparing your lame duck Teja to f22

 

[MimophantSlayer]

India be able to intercept 50% what r u smoking

I know truth hurts.
Maybe you should check PAD, AAD, PDV successful intercept rate, it will bring you back to reality.

your DRDO can't even make a decent gun insas your Arjun and Teja r rejected

LOL we won a war with Insas.

Because you make a single critical subsystem in JF17 and AlKhlaid right?
Don't joke.

We make engines of Arjun, you don't make a moped engine forget Al Khalid.

Both Tejas and Arjun are operational.
Also strawman argument, stick to the topic and discuss BMD.

And u r dreaming of success level that of USA who spends more on ABM then. Your whole defense budget and India doesn't enjoy geographic isolation and time gap that comes with as does USA so keep dreaming

Yes we are.
Pakistan doesn't enjoy the distance either which makes detection far easier.
And unlike USA which faces a far credible peer in Russia, we don't.

Pakistan has capabilities to build ICBM any country that can build 2000+ km missile can mak we don'e one we didn't because not ours strategic requirement but we did made MIRV but u haven't yet bc it was for us

LOL
Talk is cheap indeed.
According to the MTCR Pak has only 39 missile tech as compared to India's 83
http://mtcr.info/mtcr-annex/
Firat make an ICBM and then cry.

comparing your bmd to USA is like comparing your lame duck Teja to f22

I never did, in fact I said, as of now our BMD is not as capable as US'.
It is you who is comparing yourself with the US.

Also, I would also say that the above is like comparing JF17 to F22, but sadly quite a few Pakistanis actually say that ever so often.

 

[khanmubashir]

I know truth hurts.
Maybe you should check PAD, AAD, PDV successful intercept rate, it will bring you back to reality.



LOL we won a war with Insas.

Because you make a single critical subsystem in JF17 and AlKhlaid right?
Don't joke.

We make engines of Arjun, you don't make a moped engine forg even Al Khalid.

Both Tejas and Arjun are operational.
Also strawman argument, stick to the topic and discuss BMD.


Yes we are.
Pakistan doesn't enjoy the distance either which makes detection far easier.
And unlike USA which faces a far credible peer in Russia, we don't.


LOL
Talk is cheap indeed.
According to the MTCR Pak has only 39 missile tech as compared to India's 83
http://mtcr.info/mtcr-annex/
Firat make an ICBM and then cry.


I never did, in fact I said, as of now our BMD is not as capable as US'.
It is you who is comparing yourself with the US.

Also, I would also say that the above is like comparing JF17 to F22, but sadly quite a few Pakistanis actually say that ever so often.

U can make up hese dreams as much as u want but truth remain DRDO holds a very shaky performance for every weapon system it made Teja Arjun insas
So u claiming to develop a reliable ABM which far more difficult then the above is more of Indian propagsnda

 

[Radio Mirchi]

This is a defensive missile used to track and target incoming hostile weapons systems. Why do pakistanis need to be concerned about something which isn't offensive!

the reaction is on auto reply mode.

 

[Safriz]

 

[MimophantSlayer]

U can make up hese dreams as much as u want but truth remain DRDO holds a very shaky performance for every weapon system it made Teja Arjun insas
So u claiming to develop a reliable ABM which far more difficult then the above is more of Indian propagsnda

Its funny how you can easily believe the news of failures from Indian sources but when the very same sources report successful tests you lot cry propaganda.

Again, unlike some countries we don't hide our failures and that is why people(excluding pakistanis) believe us when we proclaim our successes.

You are welcome to examine my claim about our BMD success ratee, you are also welcome to go into denial mode.

https://twitter.com/x/status/946575043705712640

You keep believing your rhetoric about how Indians cannot harm you, and keep trying to scorn us from your old and rotten pedestals, we on the other hand will keep going forward and there is nothing anyone can do to stop us.

 

[khanmubashir]

Its funny how you can easily believe the news of failures from Indian sources but when the very same sources report successful tests you lot cry propaganda.

Again, unlike some countries we don't hide our failures and that is why people(excluding pakistanis) believe us when we proclaim our successes.

You are welcome to examine my claim about our BMD success ratee, you are also welcome to go into denial mode.

https://twitter.com/x/status/946575043705712640

You keep believing your rhetoric about how Indians cannot harm you, and keep trying to scorn us from your old and rotten pedestals, we on the other hand will keep going forward and there is nothing anyone can do to stop us.

With all your rants and wasting billions on foreign toys u Still won't go to war with us while we keep on killing u in Kashmir and if needed in Mumbai so our nuclear deterrent serves it's purpose u can be in denial that doesn't change the fact India can't go to open ear with us due to unacceptable level if demage it would face

 

[assassin123]

I can't stop laughing after watching this lol.
A dumbass video comparing liftoff speed of missiles. And you post it here to prove what?
the kid who made this video probably was high on something pretty darn strong.

 

[Kinetic]

Man this is too much stupidity!

Thats a anti-missile systems which can release a Kinetic kill vehicle with IIR sensor at 150 km altitude!

 

[MimophantSlayer]

With all your rants and wasting billions on foreign toys

Lol, pot calling the kettle black.
Let's not talk about wasting money.
Pakistan's military expenditure is 3.6% of its gdp as compared to India's only 2.5%.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS

u Still won't go to war with us while we keep on killing u in Kashmir and if needed in Mumbai so our nuclear deterrent serves it's purpose u can be in denial that doesn't change the fact India can't go to open ear with us due to unacceptable level if demage it would face

See, not every one is a pakistani and has wet dreams about wars.

It may be acceptable in your warmongering mind to eat grass, maintain your war posture and only kill a few Indians but it is absolutely unacceptable to us to go into a war and slow down our budding economy.

We will do that when we are properly prepared, remember the last time India was prepared and sort of initiated a war, you were parted with almost 1/4th your landmass and publicly made to surrender en masse, all 93000 of you.
So be careful what you wish for.

As for killing through proxies, how many bomb blasts happen in pak every year and how many of your soldiers have died and are dying in your western border again?

 

[khanmubashir]

Lol, pot calling the kettle black.
Let's not talk about wasting money.
Pakistan's military expenditure is 3.6% of its gdp as compared to India's only 2.5%.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS



See, not every one is a pakistani and has wet dreams about wars.

It may be acceptable in your warmongering mind to eat grass, maintain your war posture and only kill a few Indians but it is absolutely unacceptable to us to go into a war and slow down our budding economy.

We will do that when we are properly prepared, remember the last time India was prepared and sort of initiated a war, you were parted with almost 1/4th your landmass and publicly made to surrender en masse, all 93000 of you.
So be careful what you wish for.

As for killing through proxies, how many bomb blasts happen in pak every year and how many of your soldiers have died and are dying in your western border again?

U would just stick to 71 the only victory u ever got but that was due to it's geographic isolation and resultant politico-cultural differences but when we took ajk GB from u in 48 u were right next to it and your Nehru ran for a truce in UN

U would just stick to 71 the only victory u ever got but that was due to it's geographic isolation and resultant politico-cultural differences but when we took ajk GB from u in 48 u were right next to it and your Nehru ran for a truce in UN

As for proxies thanks for acknowledging your terrosim but taht was due to USA presence in Afghanistan and allowing u to use it as terror base against us but since there isn't much of Afghnistan left in USA control so has your terrosim reduced significantly USA is gonna pack up and leave leaving u sandwich between us and China

U would just stick to 71 the only victory u ever got but that was due to it's geographic isolation and resultant politico-cultural differences but when we took ajk GB from u in 48 u were right next to it and your Nehru ran for a truce in UN


As for proxies thanks for acknowledging your terrosim but taht was due to USA presence in Afghanistan and allowing u to use it as terror base against us but since there isn't much of Afghnistan left in USA control so has your terrosim reduced significantly USA is gonna pack up and leave leaving u sandwich between us and China

India home of most poor in world would keep on wasting money to wage war and we would negate that capability by smartly spending a fraction on counter measure