Pakistan disappointed by US reliance on false narrative

[ghazi52]

 

[LeGenD]

Are you such a thick person? Don't you get what I'm saying? I believe my English is not so advanced. You can post all kind of crap you want, these all are mere allegations with 0 credibility.

I am posting crap here? We cannot have a meaningful conversation with this kind of mindset on your part.

You need to PROVE that Trump's allegations are baseless. He pointed out that 20 militant factions are operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan at present. I posted an image in my previous response which discloses the identity of these militant factions. You are not in the position to dismiss that information on the basis of your personal opinion. You are not involved in the War on Terror in any capacity so spare me your baseless rants.

Pakistani efforts to curb the menace of terrorism are proceeding in incremental fashion; country-wide operation never took place and their are SHADES OF GREY in these matters. Country-wide operation might not be economically feasible but SHADES OF GREY do exist; Pakistani establishment faces accusations of supporting some militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan. Clear enough for you now?

More alarming is the fact that some of the worst scum in history were found to be residing in Abbottabad namely Osama Bin Laden and Omar Patek: http://thediplomat.com/2011/05/abbottabad-terrorist-central/

Following are the pressing questions:-

1. Why Pakistan faces accusations of supporting militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan?
2. Why 20 militant factions continue to operate in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
3. Why some of the worst scum in history were found residing in Abbottabad?

My argument is that Pakistani establishment needs to come clean on these matters. Only then, we (Pakistani) would be in the position to critic American allegations. Unfortunately, their is a long history of disconnect between Pakistani establishment and public in important matters concerning Pakistan; Pakistani establishment is guilty of keeping public in the dark and brainwashing it with selective narratives.

Conversely, many Pakistani harbor this kind of mentality: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/understanding-pakistani-m_1_b_869719.html

What can you expect?

Facts are that Pakistan have umpteenth times requested Afghanistan and Allied mission in Afghanistan for construction of barrier. Logically speaking, if US have spent close to 1 Trillion since 2001 then why it couldn't allocate 15 to 30 billion for this barrier on AF Pak border? Furthermore the credibility of Pakistan was proven the day when Pakistan asked US and allies to give a tour of the areas that operation was conducted to root out terrorist. Why this opportunity was rejected?

How can US fence Durand Line when Pakistan and Afghanistan have disputes in regards to its composition?

Operation Zarb-e-Azb was a step in the right direction but it came too late from American perspective. US was pushing Pakistan for this kind of operation since 2009. By the time it happened, Americans had withdrawn much of its forces from Afghanistan.

You need to concentrate on developments from the period 2008 - 2011 to understand how mistrust between Pakistan and US reached new heights in regards to War on Terror.

Anyways, I believe that both US and Pakistan bear the responsibility of bridging this mistrust and proceed further with a FRESH PLAN.

 

[ziaulislam]

I am posting crap here? We cannot have a meaningful conversation with this kind of mindset on your part.

You need to PROVE that Trump's allegations are baseless. He pointed out that 20 militant factions are operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I posted an image in my previous response which discloses the identity of these militant factions. You are not in the position to dismiss this information on the basis of your personal opinion. You are not involved in the War on Terror in any capacity so spare me your baseless rants.

Pakistani efforts to curb the menace of terrorism are proceeding in incremental fashion; country-wide operation never took place and their are SHADES OF GREY in these matters. Country-wide operation might not be economically feasible but SHADES OF GREY do exist; Pakistani establishment faces accusations of supporting some militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan. Clear enough for you now?

More alarming is the fact that some of the worst scum in history were found to be residing in Abbottabad namely Osama Bin Laden and Omar Patek: http://thediplomat.com/2011/05/abbottabad-terrorist-central/

Following are some pressing questions:-

1. Why Pakistan faces accusations of supporting militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan?
2. Why 20 militant factions continue to operate in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
3. Why some of the worst scum in history were found residing in Abbottabad?

My argument is that Pakistani establishment needs to come clean on these matters. Only then, we (Pakistani) would be in the position to critic American allegations. Unfortunately, their is a long history of disconnect between Pakistani establishment and public in important matters concerning Pakistan; Pakistani establishment is guilty of keeping public in the dark and brainwashing it with selective narratives.

However, many Pakistani harbor this kind of mentality: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/understanding-pakistani-m_1_b_869719.html

What can you expect?


How can US fence Durand Line when Pakistan and Afghanistan have disputes in regards to its composition?

Operation Zarb-e-Azb was a step in the right direction but it came too late from American perspective. US was pushing Pakistan for this kind of operation since 2009. By the time it happened, Americans had withdrawn much of their forces from Afghanistan.

All of your points are stupid and irrational
1. Bring open boarders any persn can hide if he stays off gride. FBI ha budget bigger than whole army and all law forcing agencies of pakistan yet USA terroist have in th past alluded the authorities fir decades. In this circumstances do you start conspiracy theories sting FBI Had insiders????? After thw worse earth quake in 5 centuries with 10 million illegal afghanis how is it possble o detect one iff the grid man
OBL was detected after al qeda no 2 who by the barded a plane from Indonesia was captured in islamabad
OBL was inactive and long thought dead.

2. So why arent USA mining, fencings the boarder?????????

3. How come world 95% opium or terroist gold is grouping right undrr nose of americans ????????????????????!!!!!

I think the most pressing problem is "opium"

 

[ziaulislam]

Clean opium, kill terroist resources..
Form a representative govt rather than making warlord's and india happy ...
Do better boarder management ...
You will see the results

 

[LeGenD]

All of your points are stupid and irrational

Oh dear...

1. Bring open boarders any persn can hide if he stays off gride. FBI ha budget bigger than whole army and all law forcing agencies of pakistan yet USA terroist have in th past alluded the authorities fir decades. In this circumstances do you start conspiracy theories sting FBI Had insiders????? After thw worse earth quake in 5 centuries with 10 million illegal afghanis how is it possble o detect one iff the grid man
OBL was detected after al qeda no 2 who by the barded a plane from Indonesia was captured in islamabad
OBL was inactive and long thought dead.

You expect a foreign agency to address matters of terrorism in Pakistan? Like seriously?

Pakistan is in a much better position to address the menace of terrorism within its territory, US is not.

2. So why arent USA mining, fencings the boarder?????????

Because Durand Line is a disputed zone.

Pakistan claims some lands and Afghanistan claims some lands across this line.

You want US to draw this line for us?

3. How come world 95% opium or terroist gold is grouping right undrr nose of americans ????????????????????!!!!!

I think the most pressing problem is "opium"

Opium is a component of Afghanistan's economy. US attempted to stop it but Taliban benefited from its crackdown:-

Learn more from here: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/econ...rugs-failed-in-afghanistan-helped-the-taliban

Ironic reality is that Taliban-led government was committed to stopping Opium but same force was willing to utilize it for economic ends while Afghanistan was under occupation of US.

Afghanistan is a messed-up region in all aspects. It is not possible to "morally police" Afghans.

 

[ziaulislam]

you didnt answer my question, how is opium produced under USA nose???????????
you do know that opium kills thousand and is main source of income for terrorists, infarct the easiest way to kill terrorism is to end opium. i would argue that terrorism is part of afghan economy Lol
by the way opium is product of post 80s, its part of terrorism not afghan economy, if we can finish opium why cant afghans

this naive report of saying that we cannot stop a crop that grows in farm lands because of this and that is stupid, this isnt marijuana that you can grow in pots, this comes from a man whose villagers use to have opium

the only logical reason why this is happening is; people have been bribed at all levels and every one takes their share, and hence failure of US Afghan policy, the problem here is wrong leader ship in Afghanistan and no accountability, and fault here is completely USA, they never pressurized afghan govt to do the right thing

and hence, back to dame issue of false narrative, the problem is afghan leadership setup by USA not Pakistan
the second problem is our military and civilian leadership taking AID money and doing corruption and money laundering of that aid money


the article you share is illogical(this comes from a person who has seen dozens of death annually from heroine) and its unbelievable how their logic works, legitimize opium that kills 10,000 of people, i mean opium(i mean its end product is heroine) is 100x dangerous than any other drug known to man kind

 

[American Pakistani]

I am posting crap here? We cannot have a meaningful conversation with this kind of mindset on your part.

You need to PROVE that Trump's allegations are baseless. He pointed out that 20 militant factions are operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan at present. I posted an image in my previous response which discloses the identity of these militant factions. You are not in the position to dismiss that information on the basis of your personal opinion. You are not involved in the War on Terror in any capacity so spare me your baseless rants.

Pakistani efforts to curb the menace of terrorism are proceeding in incremental fashion; country-wide operation never took place and their are SHADES OF GREY in these matters. Country-wide operation might not be economically feasible but SHADES OF GREY do exist; Pakistani establishment faces accusations of supporting some militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan. Clear enough for you now?

More alarming is the fact that some of the worst scum in history were found to be residing in Abbottabad namely Osama Bin Laden and Omar Patek: http://thediplomat.com/2011/05/abbottabad-terrorist-central/

Following are the pressing questions:-

1. Why Pakistan faces accusations of supporting militant factions that are involved in acts of terrorism against India, US and Afghanistan?
2. Why 20 militant factions continue to operate in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
3. Why some of the worst scum in history were found residing in Abbottabad?

My argument is that Pakistani establishment needs to come clean on these matters. Only then, we (Pakistani) would be in the position to critic American allegations. Unfortunately, their is a long history of disconnect between Pakistani establishment and public in important matters concerning Pakistan; Pakistani establishment is guilty of keeping public in the dark and brainwashing it with selective narratives.

Conversely, many Pakistani harbor this kind of mentality: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raza-habib-raja/understanding-pakistani-m_1_b_869719.html

What can you expect?


How can US fence Durand Line when Pakistan and Afghanistan have disputes in regards to its composition?

Operation Zarb-e-Azb was a step in the right direction but it came too late from American perspective. US was pushing Pakistan for this kind of operation since 2009. By the time it happened, Americans had withdrawn much of its forces from Afghanistan.

You need to concentrate on developments from the period 2008 - 2011 to understand how mistrust between Pakistan and US reached new heights in regards to War on Terror.

Anyways, I believe that both US and Pakistan bear the responsibility of bridging this mistrust and proceed further with a FRESH PLAN.

My goodness such a Th ick he ad. Who made that nonsense list? Who is pointing about it? Sorry trump might be your d@ddy but I don't believe any nonsense he blabber. I will go by the words of those who are on the ground, I Pakistanis. Pakistanis have offered the officials in NATO & America to give tour of these places, why did never took that oportunity?

Sorry but the entire focus is to create an escape goat out of Pakistan.

 

[LeGenD]

My goodness such a Th ick he ad. Who made that nonsense list? Who is pointing about it? Sorry trump might be your d@ddy but I don't believe any nonsense he blabber. I will go by the words of those who are on the ground, I Pakistanis. Pakistanis have offered the officials in NATO & America to give tour of these places, why did never took that oportunity?

Sorry but the entire focus is to create an escape goat out of Pakistan.

Bro,

I admit that we failed to have a meaningful dialogue on this subject but I do not mind this. Sometimes, emotions can get the better of our judgement. I still see in you a brother (metaphorical).

However, I have little tolerance for a statement like Mr. (X) is my daddy; I see this as utter disrespect of my parents. Any Pakistani should know better how to communicate his point-of-view to another, specially the educated lot.

 

[American Pakistani]

Bro,

I admit that we failed to have a meaningful dialogue on this subject but I do not mind this. Sometimes, emotions can get the better of our judgement. I still see in you a brother (metaphorical).

However, I have little tolerance for a statement like Mr. (X) is my daddy; I see this as utter disrespect of my parents. Any Pakistani should know better how to communicate his point-of-view to another, specially the educated lot.

Sorry if it was offensive but let me be clear, I didn't meant d@ddy as its real meaning, I only used it as someone who have highly influence you through his nonsensical allegations. I've always heard that a teacher is like a father because he is the one who shapes you as an individual in the society.

Again I apologize if my post hurt you and I take back my words. Unfortunately I can't edit now as there is no edit button but I requested the mods already to edit that word out.