Pakistan decalres Hafiz Saeed a terrorist

[liall]

Looks like ISI does not have any more use for this guy. Thanks anyway to your intelligence upper management.

 

[Max]

WTH are u talking about???which UN are u talking about...UN which has become a puppet in the hands of west and particularly USA??

What the fck you are blabbering about, where did i said UN is fair organization?

?Now if tomorrow india says it doesn't like any xyz person/organization and asks USA to ban it..just like in case of hafiz saeed..

stinky supa powa is trying to place Masood Azhar in UN list for years, they couldn't bcoz we are opposing it with help of our friends. same should have been done in Hafiz Saeed's case which we didnt for unknown reasons, US itself says they don't have enough proof which can lead to Hafiz Saeed's conviction, Pakistan courts say the same, yet our pathetic govt not helping him.. blame your Govt instead of UN.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I am surprised at your statement which are self contradictory. One the one hand you claim that you have worked under some sort of legal/constitutional power in Pakistan and on the other hand you state that it does not matter whether UN resolutions are binding on member state or not. It makes me wonder whether you ever worked in a position where you could understand the matters or whether you are just incompetent at what you do.

What you percept about me is not my problem,carry on.

In any case, let me make this abundantly clear, UN resolutions are binding on all member states. What this means is that all members states have to abide by those resolution even if it means amending their own laws and constitution. When member states defy UN resolutions, sanctions are put in place, trade is restricted and the matter can also be escalated to the UNSC where a harsher military action can be considered. Most of the recent ATA amendments and AML amendments were made to comply with UN resolutions!

LMAO.....At best they can put us on grey list which means tight survelliance of Financial Transactions from Pakistan,not a militray action or sanctions.
States are required to make Laws as per UN mandate but they can't be against Law of state or against sovereignty of signatory state.
Pakistan signed and ratified FTAF AML Mandate but never implemeted it till 2007 through AML Ordinance 2007 and then passed AML Act 2010.
Pakistan was on FTAF grey list from Feb 2012 to Feb 2015.It must be noted that ICNL Wrote in his report that
"The effect of the FATF Blacklist has been significant, and arguably has proven more important in international efforts against money laundering than has the FATF Recommendations. "
http://www.icnl.org/research/journal/vol14iss1/feature.html
Pakistan just ammended it for escaping from being black listed during, 18-23 February 2018
FATF Plenary and Working Group meetings in Paris.
Where India and US will do "Randi Rona".

 

[Mav3rick]

LMAO.....At best they can put us on grey list which means tight survelliance of Financial Transactions from Pakistan,not a militray action or sanctions.
States are required to make Laws as per UN mandate but they can't be against Law of state or against sovereignty of signatory state.
Pakistan signed and ratified FTAF AML Mandate but never implemeted it till 2007 through AML Ordinance 2007 and then passed AML Act 2010.
Pakistan was on FTAF grey list from Feb 2012 to Feb 2015.It must be noted that ICNL Wrote in his report that
"The effect of the FATF Blacklist has been significant, and arguably has proven more important in international efforts against money laundering than has the FATF Recommendations. "
http://www.icnl.org/research/journal/vol14iss1/feature.html
Pakistan just ammended it for escaping from being black listed during, 18-23 February 2018
FATF Plenary and Working Group meetings in Paris.
Where India and US will do "Randi Rona".

Now you are mixing 2 things. FATF and UN are 2 exclusive and independent bodies. FATF deals with AML and CFT issues only whereas UN has a much larger, all encompassing mandate. FATF is a general body that recommends steps that member states may take and can put countries on Grey or Black list.

UN can put sanctions on a country and can escalate the matter to a full military action if approved by the UNSC.

And you are correct, we amended ATA to escape the FATF Grey List (not the Black List) as we are largely compliant with FATF recommendations (almost 40+9). However, FATF can recommend actions to member states such as to limit trade with any country on the Grey/Black list and these recommendations are usually adhered to. ATA was amended recently and Hafiz Saeed was added to the red book to comply with UN AML/CFT resolutions which is evaluated by FATF in each plenary (next to be held in the coming week).

 

[Sine Nomine]

And you are correct, we amended ATA to escape the FATF Grey List (not the Black List) as we are largely compliant with FATF recommendations (almost 40+9). However, FATF can recommend actions to member states such as to limit trade with any country on the Grey/Black list and these recommendations are usually adhered to. ATA was amended recently and Hafiz Saeed was added to the red book to comply with UN AML/CFT resolutions which is evaluated by FATF in each plenary (next to be held in the coming week).

Government of Pakistan has turned this all into a huge Joke.They can easily get HS cleared from UN but they won't.
Indians have have no proof against him,nor he is such a fool to do what they bark.

 

[jamahir]

nothing wrong in respecting UN decisions especially bcoz we expect UN to implement its resolutions about Kashmir,

Hafiz Saeed have filed a case in UN for removel of his name, he was decleared innocent by Pakistani courts, Pakistan Govt should support its innocent citizen against foreign conspiracy and propaganda..

Please read my earlier post :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-decalres-hafiz-saeed-a-terrorist.544084/page-3#post-10248644​

 

[deep.ocean]

Pakistan's President on Monday signed an ordinance that brings all individuals and organisations banned by the UN Security Council (UNSC) - including 26/11 attacks mastermind Hafiz Saeed and his group, the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) - under the ambit of the country's stringent Anti-Terrorism Act.

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Sources in the Pakistani National Counter-Terrorism Authority (NACTA) confirmed the signing of the ordinance - which amends a section of the Anti-Terrorism Act - to India Today.

This means that now, under Pakistani law, Saeed is a terrorist, and the JuD is a terrorist organisation.

The move enables Islamabad to take action against groups and individuals banned by the UNSC - that includes sealing their offices and freezing their bank accounts. NACTA's counter-terror financing wing will now work with concerned authorities and recommend possible courses of action.

Pakistan's interior, foreign and finance ministries have been notified of the ordinance. However, Pakistan's defence ministry, which is the department authorised to announce and issue an official notification as per directives from the President's Office, is yet to do so.

Pakistan's interior ministry had in January listed Hafiz Saeed's JuD as one among 72 proscribed organisations.

After Saeed was released from house arrest last year, his lawyer requested the UN Security Council to remove his name from a list of designated terrorists, but in vain.

GLOBAL WATCHDOG'S CONCERNS

Pakistan's move comes as it focuses on catering to concerns raised by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), a global watchdog that combats terrorism financing. In November, the FATF demanded compliance from Pakistan on the issue of terror funding, despite opposition from China.

The International Cooperation Review Group of the FATF said Pakistan had made "some progress" to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267, but concerns related to it - "specifically that designated individuals and entities of concern continue to receive and disperse funds without controls being applied by the competent authorities" - remained.

The Pakistan President's ordinance comes a week ahead of an FATF plenary meeting.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...-saeed-a-terrorist/ar-BBJ3pnw?ocid=spartanntp

Waiting for his hanging. RIP in advancea

 

[Laozi]

Why do you assume that the sitting government does not abide by the wishes of its populace?

as to why.... the government has given a credible explanation which can be debated

Okay, now if you insist then I will assume that decision of banning banning Hafiz by GoP is as per the wishes of most of the Pakistanis.

 

[El Sidd]

Okay, now if you insist then I will assume that decision of banning banning Hafiz by GoP is as per the wishes of most of the Pakistanis.

you are free to believe in anything you want sir....

 

[Laozi]

you are free to believe in anything you want sir....

It is a decision taken by your government. Whether the decision is popular or unpopular can only be decided by Pakistanis.

 

[El Sidd]

It is a decision taken by your government. Whether the decision is popular or unpopular can only be decided by Pakistanis.

Goverment of Pakistan never has a good approval rating.... History is my witness

 

[BABA AGHORI]

nothing wrong in respecting UN decisions especially bcoz we expect UN to implement its resolutions about Kashmir,

Hafiz Saeed have filed a case in UN for removel of his name, he was decleared innocent by Pakistani courts, Pakistan Govt should support its innocent citizen against foreign conspiracy and propaganda..

Even we wanted it to be implemented from 1948 until 1972, then Pakistan signed the dotted line...
http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/46-51/Chapter 8/46-51_08-16-The India-Pakistan question.pdf
Read through the UN resolution Page 346, Chapter VIII,
“A. Restoration of peace and order “1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours: “(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State; “(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the Stat:, and that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

Please let Kashmiri know what made you not comply with UN resolution and let Kashmiris wait for 24 years.

 

[SQ8]

Frankly if all these religious organizations can be exterminated- regardless of cast,creed or purpose.. Pakistan will be better off and more comfortable dealing with all enemies.

These snakes are simple too dangerous to be left alive anymore. The Kashmiri insurgency is now independent of religion and has taken their own youth in a nationalist zeal so there really isn’t the need to use religion as the opium.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Frankly if all these religious organizations can be exterminated- regardless of cast,creed or purpose.. Pakistan will be better off and more comfortable dealing with all enemies.

These snakes are simple too dangerous to be left alive anymore. The Kashmiri insurgency is now independent of religion and has taken their own youth in a nationalist zeal so there really isn’t the need to use religion as the opium.

Eliminate 500 top fat mullahs... the rest will follow. In any system it is always the key nodes which keep it swinging along. Cybernetic loops work in everything/system. Humanity is nothing more than a system itself.

The misplaced notion of yesteryears that only religion could keep the cohesion of Pak was not valid to start with. If it had any utility then it has been 3 decades over date.

God for love, god for Power, god for Money... same cycle everywhere, everytime!

Indians by their very virtue, and the growing vouge of Orange are nemesis enough if any cohesion is ever needed.

By the looks of things the Young Paks have evolved and by their own being has more National Vigour than these merchants of faith could ever have provided.

Time for your Jinnah 2.0!

Goodluck, dear Pak friend!

 

[Max]

This have been discussed countless times here, go to Kashmir section. UN resolution ask both sides to keep minimum manpower needed for law and order to the satisfaction of UN authorities and both the parties. no party is allowed to change demography of the disputed region..

Even we wanted it to be implemented from 1948 until 1972, then Pakistan signed the dotted line...
http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/46-51/Chapter 8/46-51_08-16-The India-Pakistan question.pdf
Read through the UN resolution Page 346, Chapter VIII,
“A. Restoration of peace and order “1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours: “(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State; “(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the Stat:, and that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.

Please let Kashmiri know what made you not comply with UN resolution and let Kashmiris wait for 24 years.