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Pakistan counters Taleban advance?

Alarm Grows Over Pakistan’s Failure to Halt Militant Gains

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — As the Taliban tightened their hold over newly won territory, Pakistani politicians and American officials on Thursday sharply questioned the government’s willingness to deal with the insurgents and the Pakistani military’s decision to remain on the sidelines.

Some 400 to 500 insurgents consolidated control of their new prize, a strategic district called Buner, just 70 miles from the capital, Islamabad, setting up checkpoints and negotiating a truce similar to the one that allowed the Taliban to impose Islamic law in the neighboring Swat Valley.

As they did, Taliban contingents were seen Thursday in at least two other districts and areas still closer to the capital, according to Pakistani government officials and residents.

Yet Pakistani authorities deployed just several hundred poorly paid and equipped constabulary forces to Buner, who were repelled in a clash with the insurgents, leaving one police officer dead.

The limited response set off fresh scrutiny of Pakistan’s military, a force with 500,000 soldiers and a similar number of reservists. The army receives $1 billion in American military aid each year but has repeatedly declined to confront the Taliban-led insurgency, even as it has bled out of Pakistan’s self-governed tribal areas into Pakistan proper in recent months.

The military remains fixated on training and deploying its soldiers to fight the country’s archenemy, India. It remains ill equipped for counterinsurgency, analysts say, and top officers are deeply reluctant to be pressed into action against insurgents who enjoy family, ethnic and religious ties with many Pakistanis.

In the limited engagements in which regular army troops have fought the Taliban in the tribal areas and sections of the Swat Valley, they not only failed to dislodge the Taliban, but also convinced many Pakistanis that their own military was as much of a menace as the Islamic radicals it sought to repel, residents and analysts say.

In Washington, a Defense Department official who is monitoring Pakistan closely said that the poorly trained constabulary force was sent Thursday because Pakistani Army troops were not available, and Pakistani generals were reluctant to pull reinforcements off the border with India — something American officials have encouraged them to do.

“It illustrates there is a lack of political will in the Pakistan civilian leadership to confront these Pakistan Taliban,” said Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat on the Armed Services Committee who just returned from his fifth visit to Pakistan. “The Taliban sense this huge vacuum that they can pour into.”

Instead, the military, which is stretched thin in the areas along the Afghan border, has favored negotiations, and the civilian government has acquiesced. “The government is too worried about its own political survival to take on the militants,” the Defense Department official said.

Where it has engaged the insurgents, the Pakistani Army, untrained in counterinsurgency, has become reviled by the civilian population for its heavy-handed tactics, which have cost many lives while failing to stop the Taliban.

At the same time, the police and paramilitary forces have proved too weak to stand up to the militants. In Buner, desperate residents had resorted to forming their own militias, as much to keep out the military as the Taliban. That effort, too, has now failed.

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said Thursday that the government would review the Swat peace agreement if peace was not restored. “We have to ensure writ of the government,” he told journalists. “We reserve the right to go for other options if Talibanization continues.”

Still, a range of American officials continued to press the Pakistani government for “serious, aggressive” military action, an American official said. The Pakistanis have yet to present a persuasive response to American officials, who are calling regularly for updates.

On Capitol Hill, legislators preparing to introduce a bill to provide Pakistan with $7.5 billion in nonmilitary aid over five years may face a steep challenge.

“I have absolutely no confidence in the ability of the existing Pakistan government to do one blessed thing,” said Representative David R. Obey, a Wisconsin Democrat who leads the House Appropriations Committee.

In a sign of the urgency of the crisis, the special envoy for the region, Richard C. Holbrooke, is sending Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton memos several times a day with his latest reading of the situation in Pakistan, an American official said.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, briefly visited Pakistan on Wednesday night and Thursday from Afghanistan, to meet with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the Pakistani Army chief of staff. An American official briefed on discussions said the Pakistani leadership was “very concerned.”

Buner (pronounced boo-NAIR), home to about one million people, lies in the heart of North-West Frontier Province, bordering seven other districts. Its capture not only advances the Taliban closer to the capital, but also gives the Taliban a vital hub to extend their reach.

The Taliban have already carried out limited attacks and have had a presence, including training camps, in several of the districts bordering Buner, in some cases for years. But on Thursday the militants were seen in several places moving more openly and in larger numbers than before.

More than 30 armed militants entered the Shangla district, east of the main Swat Valley and north of Buner, and were seen patrolling an area around Loch Bazaar, the independent channel Geo TV reported Thursday, quoting witnesses.

Government officials also confirmed that militants have been seen in Totali, far south in Buner and close to the boundary with the Swabi district, which lies close to the main highways into the capital.

Armed militants have also been seen visiting mosques and patrolling in Rustam, a town on the boundary between Buner and the adjoining district of Mardan, said Riaz Khan, a lawyer living in Mardan, the second largest town in North-West Frontier Province. “People are anxious and in a state of fear,” he said.

The Taliban were making a concerted push into areas that overlook the capital, lawmakers and government officials in North-West Frontier Province said.

A powerful religious party leader, Fazlur Rehman, who is allied with the government, warned that militants had reached into the Mansehra district, close to the Tarbela Dam, a vital source of electricity to the center of the country.

“If the Taliban continue to move at this pace they will soon be knocking at the door of Islamabad,” he told Parliament on Wednesday, adding that Margalla Hills, north of the capital, seem to be the only hurdle to the Taliban advance.

The Pakistani Taliban, who number in the thousands across the tribal areas and the Swat region, have declared their aim of establishing Shariah rule throughout Pakistan. But for now, their expansion may be opportunistic and their strength sufficient only to establish local fiefdoms, or “micro-emirates of Shariah,” said Christine Fair, a senior research associate at the RAND Corporation.

“I don’t know what the Taliban’s game plan is, but what seems apparent is the state has no game plan,” she said. “The Pakistani state is not able to stop them and they expand where they can.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/world/asia/24pstan.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print
 
^^Clueless reporting. The author makes it seem like the Taliban are marching across Pakistan burning down villages in their path, and then forcibly subjugating the local population. That is very far from the truth.
 
^^Clueless reporting. The author makes it seem like the Taliban are marching across Pakistan burning down villages in their path, and then forcibly subjugating the local population. That is very far from the truth.

TTP cannot do all these things...if and only if Army takes them on

If we remain frozen in our current position of meek protests and do not use force on the TTP terrorists then the consequences shall be severe in terms of damage to Pakistan.
Even if TTP does not capture more territory they will be able to launch raids into many other key areas and make life miserable for generations to come.

TTP has either slaughtered their opponents or forced them into submission in the areas where they got control...elimination or submission of key figures around which a town rallies is the basic operational doctrine of these terrorists and has been lethally effective in establishing strongholds in many towns.
The systematic elimination of the opposing Tribal Maliks, Jirgas and Elders alike through suicide bombings, raids and roadside shootings has been going on for quite some time and is known to all.

The more we delay taking them on the more they will dig in deeper and more difficult it shall be to remove them, especially since ARMY will need local support and the possible overt supporters of State are already being taken care of by TTP, one way or another.

BTW Taliban affiliated groups have a presence even as down south as Taunsa near D.G. Khan. something i was made aware of a few months back by my friend based there.
 
Pakistani has on choice because either we support Taliban or American in both cases innocent Pakistanis will bleed. Drone attacks done by US is responsible for these uprising because in every drone attack innocent Pakistani die and GOP did n t do anything. so it’s a natural reaction people stand against GOP.

US talks like they won war but has n t won any. US did peace deal with Iraq insurgents. When Pakistan make peace deal not with Taliban but local people of swat suddenly US showing attitude towards GOP. Now we see some unease in swat after people of swat achieve their goal. This clearly shows involvement of US and Raw intelligent agencies.
 
Pakistani has on choice because either we support Taliban or American in both cases innocent Pakistanis will bleed. Drone attacks done by US is responsible for these uprising because in every drone attack innocent Pakistani die and GOP did n t do anything. so it’s a natural reaction people stand against GOP.

Now you're being too nice, PakOmar. You're right though imo. Spot on!

US talks like they won war but has n t won any. US did peace deal with Iraq insurgents. When Pakistan make peace deal not with Taliban but local people of swat suddenly US showing attitude towards GOP. Now we see some unease in swat after people of swat achieve their goal. This clearly shows involvement of US and Raw intelligent agencies.

Good point. Deals were done with Al-Sadr in Iraq. Deals are done in Swat.

Containment of the Taliban ideology is all important. This will be achieved through deals.

The derailment of these deals benefits, India, the US, Afghanistan, minus China.
 
Whenever we have done a peace deal the militants have always regrouped and come back strongly...
Why is there a parallel ARMY in Pakistan establishing the writ of a parallel government?
Does this suit Pakistan in any way?

We should take on the TTP, delay will only benefit them not Pakistan or people who can be called Pakistani.

Regarding the sentiments of our people...we are truly unique...In Lal Masjid affair we first demanded the writ to be implemented...seeing fully armed militants we all knew how it would turn out...after the operation what media and many in our public did was utterly pathetic...no condemnation for the self styled Jihadis who chose to always hide behind women and children...no condemnation for their leader who tried to escape whilst condemning his followers to death...no condemnation for the gangster tactics of an institute which was supposed to be an academic one....
We condemned the army which was fighting rebels...we made martyrs out of thugs and in doing so they have been reinforced in their belief that people of Pakistan will buy the drama that TTP and its allies want to sell in their bid to grab power.

The ideology being propagated by TTP is only a cosmetic one and is just to garner support in their bid to gain more and more power; still i agree that it is something which should be countered politically and all effort should be made to reveal the farce and convince all segments of society that what TTP claims to be and what they do are entirely different things.
If Pakistan needs to have more Islamic regulations then as per constitution it shall be done via the Islamic Council and this needs to be told to the public.
While there is no easy way out, inaction will only add to our problems.

Needless to say the the armed mercenaries, thugs and terrorists of TTP who are on a killing spree are to be dealt with militarily and not on a negotiation table.
Countering the propagated Ideology of Taliban does not imply that we forgive the TTP or the likes of Haji Muslim Khan, Baitullah Mehsud and Fazlullah...these are to be countered militarily.
 
Whenever we have done a peace deal the militants have always regrouped and come back strongly...

And military offensives have worked?

Let's see now..

From 2007, PA launched a major offensive to clear out Swat militants, from the BBC

Pakistani troops have begun a major ground offensive against pro-Taleban militants in a former tourist resort in the North West Frontier province.

Military officials say more than 200 militants have been killed in the past week, but there is no independent confirmation of those figures.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pakistan troops in Swat offensive

Now, we have in 2009,

Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari has signed a controversial bill introducing Islamic Sharia law to the Swat region, say reports.
BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pakistan passes Swat Sharia deal

So, did the "major" military offensive make things better, or not?
 
And military offensives have worked?

Let's see now..

From 2007, PA launched a major offensive to clear out Swat militants, from the BBC



Now, we have in 2009,



So, did the "major" military offensive make things better, or not?

Even if 100 militants were killed then it was the right thing to do.

I do not expect an overnight transformation via military operation... but keeping TTP on back foot is the only way to tackle them...without ARMY to protect government installations and personnel there is no hope to establish control...ARMY operations at least were keeping the enemy from launching open raids into other districts and towns.
The more room we give the more they shall bite.

This war shall be long but needs to be fought for our survival as Pakistanis, pausing in our stride will only make the eventual cost much more higher.
 
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Even if 100 militants were killed then it was the right thing to do.

I do not expect an overnight transformation via military operation... but keeping TTP on back foot is the only way to tackle them...without ARMY to protect government installations and personnel there is no hope to establish control...ARMY operations at least were keeping the enemy from launching open raids into other districts and towns.
The more room we give the more they shall bite.

This war shall be long but needs to be fought for our survival as Pakistanis, pausing in our stride will only make the eventual cost much more higher.

I'm not sure you read my last post.

How exactly did the 2007 military operation in Swat, which was considered major, keep the TTP at bay? Prior to the offensive Swat was not considered a Talibanized area, following the offensive, it was considered a Talibanized area.

So, did the "major" military offensive make things better?

The answer is no. The military offensive did not contain the situation, and has led to it spiralling out of control.

Have the peace deals worked? It's debatable, but I think they've been much more successful.
 
Pakistani Taliban say withdrawing from key valley

BUNER, Pakistan (Reuters) - A Pakistani Taliban commander has ordered his men to withdraw from Buner district, a spokesman said on Friday, amid mounting alarm in the United States and Islamabad over the militants' creeping advance.

Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said there were around 100 fighters in Buner, a district just 100 km (60 miles) from Islamabad, and less than five hours drive from the capital.

"Our leader has ordered that Taliban should immediately be called back from Buner," Khan told Reuters.

Khan belongs to faction led by Taliban commander Fazlullah, whose stronghold is in the neighboring Swat valley where the government has caved in to militants' demands for the imposition of Islamic law.

He said government and Taliban representatives were en route to Buner, along with a radical Muslim cleric who brokered the Swat deal, to deliver a message to fighters to vacate the district.

Khan was quoted in the past week as saying al Qaeda would be given refuge in lands under Taliban control.

U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton has termed the government's policies of appeasement in Swat as an abdication of authority to the Taliban, while Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged Pakistan's leaders to take action against foes who represented an "existential threat" to the state.

(Reporting by Junaid Khan in Swat, Abdul Rehman in Buner, Faris Ali in Peshawar and Augustine Anthony in Islamabad; Writing by Simon Cameron-Moore; Editing by Alex Richardson)
 
Key talks on Pakistan Sharia deal

Officials in North West Frontier Province in Pakistan are meeting to discuss a peace deal with the Taleban that has sparked deep US concern.

The peace deal was intended to introduce Sharia law in some north-west districts in return for an end to the Taleban insurgency.

However, the Taleban have not laid down their arms and are expanding influence.

The US has accused officials in Pakistan of abdicating control to the Taleban in the north-west.

The peace deal covers the six divisions of Malakand, including the troubled Swat region.

The Taleban have almost full control of Swat and this week have been consolidating operations in Buner, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, Islamabad.

Separately, the army said it had killed 11 militants in the Orakzai agency, said to be home to groups loyal to South Waziristan's Taleban leader Baitullah Mehsud.

Emergency leave

Ahead of the meeting, North West Frontier Province spokesman Iftikhar Hussain said: "Those who took arms must lay them down. Those who went to Buner, they must get out from Buner.



"This is the only way, and we are asking them for the last time."

The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says the North West Frontier Province government feels it has fulfilled its part of the deal by enforcing Islamic courts in the region but that the Taleban have yet to meet their end of the bargain.

They were expected to lay down their arms and allow police and other officials to resume their duties.

However, the Taleban have further consolidated their hold on Buner, beating back an attempt by government troops to enter the region.

A paramilitary convoy that arrived in the border village of Totalai had to abort its plans to reach Buner's central town of Dagar.

On Tuesday, six judges of the lower judiciary in Buner went on emergency leave to avoid possible Taleban attacks.

On Thursday, at a tribal meeting attended by Buner elders, the local administration and the Taleban, the Taleban agreed not to display their arms in Buner and to reduce their checkpoints to a minimum number. However, our correspondent says putting this into practice may not be easy.

A meeting in Buner brought a Taleban agreement not to display arms


He says the Taleban have crushed all opposition in Buner and have strengthened local membership with more recruitment.

The US has expressed deep concern over the developments.

On Wednesday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Pakistan posed a "mortal threat" to the world by abdicating to the Taleban.

On Thursday US Defence Secretary Robert Gates warned Pakistan that relations with the US would be threatened unless Islamabad combated the rise of the Taleban.

In the Orakzai operation, the army said militants were targeted in the Chapari Ferozkhel, Khwaja Khizr and Bizoti areas.

Other operations on Tuesday and Wednesday killed 27 militants, it said.

Groups loyal to Baitullah Mehsud are suspected of targeting Nato supply trucks heading to Afghanistan.
 
I could see some political red tape in conducting an all out offensive against the extremists. This is their only bargaining tool left to get this country any money. From an army stand point I could see it being a strategy to spread the creatures out and assign targets of interest. Like turning the lights out in a keemari kitchen and wait for the scratching noises. Either way we have seen how quickly they can disappear and reorganize.
 
If only the government could resist a little longer to the US who is going tangent, the deal can work out. Only retorting to military action while US Itself is doing peace deals on its side will be counter productive. Win the hearts and minds of people that is the only way we can defeat militancy because every militant group takes its power from the ordinary people, if we can take that away, we have won.
For now it is important if we focus our attentions over the issue of Baluchistan.
 
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I'm not sure you read my last post.

How exactly did the 2007 military operation in Swat, which was considered major, keep the TTP at bay? Prior to the offensive Swat was not considered a Talibanized area, following the offensive, it was considered a Talibanized area.

So, did the "major" military offensive make things better?

The answer is no. The military offensive did not contain the situation, and has led to it spiralling out of control.

Have the peace deals worked? It's debatable, but I think they've been much more successful.

I read your post R.R

So you would have me believe that ARMY was chasing ghosts in SWAT?
Prior to Army operation there were no militants/rebels/terrorists in SWAT?

Actually, Fazlullah and his Army was very much present in SWAT in great numbers before the operation in winter 2007.
Fazlullah had been gaining support from various groups and had gained enough power to openly start parallel Taliban courts in many towns/villages in SWAT back in September-October 2007.

You cannot launch an operation for some weeks and hope that all shall be good
Despite not investing an overwhelming amount of troops in the operation; Fazlullah's close aides were captured and he himself barely escaped in an ARMY attack on the his headquarter at the time.
Army operation was at least keeping these TTP goons on the run here and there and not giving them a lot of room to maneuver.
With troops pulling out and respite being given to TTP it is they who shall benefit and not Pakistan.
We have left all the people who supported the Army at the mercy of TTP.
This had already made future operation much more costly.
Each time we pull out this will aggravate.
Troops have to be committed in SWAT long time.

We gave an unprecedented confidence to TTP via all this unilateral peace effort in which our troops were pulled back whereas TTP did no such thing.
The spiraling out of control part is due to half hearted attempts to take on TTP which have shown them to be a lot stronger than what they are...this legend in progress needs to humbled and brought down.

We need to deploy a lot of boots in the infested areas to ensure than the initial backlash of TTP will be absorbed effectively without too much collateral.
Military operation will not be surgical in nature...it will be composed of occupation of all key areas denying any geographical advantages to TTP.
This shall have to be followed by a systematic and slow elimination of the enemy by using all tools at the state's disposal including the investigative agencies.

TTP numbers are big and they are spread all over the place.
Just because the task is difficult and time consuming does not imply that we should look for alternatives which are not offering any long term solution to the problem which is a terrorist organization portraying itself to be operating in the name of Islam.

Like i said i totally agree with countering the portrayed Taliban ideology by political means but countering the terrorists without use of military will be akin to declaring Pakistan a terrorist resort.

Can we unconditionally forgive Fazlullah, Mehsud,Muslim Khan, TTP and absolve them of their crimes against Pakistan and Pakistanis, even if they offer the olive branch (which they are not going to do) ?

Being a Pakistani i cannot accept such an arrangement which will doom us all and exonerate TTP of all the sick and demonic acts they have been carrying out against the people of Pakistan.
 
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