Pakistan conducts successful test launches of 4 x Nasr missiles 05 Nov, 2013

[Armstrong]

Oh c'mon now; where the hell are you gonna pull out so many missiles from?
Outta your "fundamental orifice" where the sun don't shine?
You are thinking to obliterate a sub-continental sized land-mass with sub-kiloton warheads!!!!!

How come 'that' has the honour of being called one's 'fundamental orifice' ? I can count at least 4 other orifices that are just as fundamental as that one !

 

[illusion8]

India sends a Mars probe today and on the same day Pakistan tests one of it's battlefield missiles - kinda points of the direction and to the priorities of our nations.

 

[Armstrong]

India sends a Mars probe today and on the same day Pakistan tests one of it's battlefield missiles - kinda points of the direction and to the priorities of our nations.

No but it does point towards the utter stupidity of the comparison !

 

[The Deterrent]

I fail to see the point of battlefield short range nukes. A nuke is a nuke, and the retaliation from India would be the same and massive, whether Pakistan nukes New Delhi or some Army formations near the border.

Think about it, its not like India is gonna say, hey Pakistan lobbed only a small nuke so lets cut them some slack and hit back with a small nuke too. Nuclear weapon is supposed to be the last resort, so any retaliation from India would be to give a death blow.

All Nasr has done is made South Asia perhaps the most dangerous place on the face of the earth.

If by "making most dangerous place on earth" you mean that Nasr has lowered the nuclear threshold, then I'd say that Nasr has made its impact and achieved what it was designed to do i.e. deter the enemy at the lowest possible level (although strictly speaking lowest possible would be an artillery shell or a mine ) 

how should we see this test in the light of india launching mars mission?! every time india/pakistan tests a missile there were counter tests from other country ....how can we see this action...a counter test or as just another missle test

The news of the Nasr test came in at around 11am PST, whereas Mangalyaam was being launched around 2pm PST (I guess).

 

[illusion8]

No but it does point towards the utter stupidity of the comparison !

Where's the comparison between our space programs other than that both use rockets and both fly? - that's the irony and that's the priority I was pointing out to.

 

[kurup]

The news of the Nasr test came in at around 11am PST, whereas Mangalyaam was being launched around 2pm PST (I guess).

Not that I am supporting what he says , the time of launch of Mangalyaan was announced way early .

 

[Armstrong]

Where's the comparison between our space programs other than that both use rockets and both fly? - that's the irony and that's the priority I was pointing out to.

There is no irony or a sense of skewed priorities here for there is no comparison between what the testing of a battlefield missile is supposed to mean & what a space launch is supposed to !

If it were thus : You sent a mission to Mars & we tested a battlefield missile in a tit-for-tat response to that then the comparison would hold some weight but why see a correlation when there isn't any ?

 

[Secur]

I hope Pakistan wouldn't be foolish enough to try this. India will reply in massive numbers.. within 2-3 hours mushroom clouds everywhere in Pakistan and India has very aggressive nuclear policies too

Why only in Pakistan if I may ask ? @Alpha1 Show him a glimpse of what it looks like ...

 

[The Deterrent]

Can you kindly answer a few questions for me :

(i) Do you think we'd be able to come up with a high-enough yield conventional explosive to be carried by the Nasr Missile that is enough to obliterate everything (or most things) in a 3-400 meter (m) radius to be used as an effective conventional weapon against command posts & Forward Areas etc ?

No, the amount of destruction that we are looking forward to by the usage of Nasr simply can't be matched by any other conventional explosive on earth. Say the yield is 1 kiloton, then there is no way one can fit any existing conventional explosive in a 100-200kg (at most) package with the impact of a 1000 tons of TNT.

(ii) How far does the ability of being able to successfully manufacture the missile, the canisters & the transport vehicle that can carry it, contribute towards us having the technical know-how of being able to come up with an effective & efficient rocket artillery system of an indigenous kind ?

The missile is different from a rocket of an MBRL, the canisters are different than the tubes of MBRLs and the vehicle is imported. ( )
Basically, aside from the propulsion and basic flight parameters, MBRLs are a bit different. With the ToT of A-100s, I don't think there is any need of advanced R&D regarding MBRLs.

(iii) How far is the technical know-how gained in this project transferable to other areas like perhaps ATGMs, Tank or Self-Propelled Artillery Barrels or even a rudimentary Surface to Air Defense System that uses SD-10Bs on a platform/delivery vehicle built by us !

Again, the barrels or launch tubes of any kind are different from Nasr's launch canisters.
For a SAM system, maybe the launch rail we developed for Nasr will help, by not by an amount that would matter a lot.

Thank You, much obliged !

You're welcome.

 

[erwineugene]

If it were thus : You sent a mission to Mars & we tested a battlefield missile in a tit-for-tat response to that then the comparison would hold some weight but why see a correlation when there isn't any ?

may be he thought pakistan confused the mars mission for a missile and so the test..


lets get back to the topic..
can some one tell how much yield is required for a blast radius of 5km.

 

[The Deterrent]

Not that I am supporting what he says , the time of launch of Mangalyaan was announced way early .

By mentioning the time difference I meant to convey that responses don't usually arrive BEFORE actions.

 

[GORKHALI]

so for the loss of a few thousand soldiers(which were involved in invading pakistan) you people will risk millions of lives in the sub continent?

For us few thousands soldiers mean alot.We care about them and will make sure that they don't have face TNW again. So yes an annihilation of Pakistan will be initiated after 1st strike.

 

[illusion8]

There is no irony or a sense of skewed priorities here for there is no comparison between what the testing of a battlefield missile is supposed to mean & what a space launch is supposed to !

If it were thus : You sent a mission to Mars & we tested a battlefield missile in a tit-for-tat response to that then the comparison would hold some weight but why see a correlation when there isn't any ?

Of course there's no comparison - and the priorities are also different - the coorelation being that both happened on the same day, my observation on that being that both countries have different priorities.

 

[Secur]

Official Indian Nuclear Doctrine - That regardless of the size of a nuclear attack against India, be it a miniaturised version or a "big" missile, India will retaliate massively to inflict unacceptable damage.

Looks good on paper , flight .

But in the real world , you will never risk your entire population for a CBG/Armored Brigade/Corps or whatever is envisioned in the Cold Start , that is the reality , because that isn't your threshold . 

For us few thousands soldiers mean alot.We care about them and will make sure that they don't have face TNW again. So yes an annihilation of Pakistan will be initiated after 1st strike.

Which is followed by an annihilation of ?

I always thought it was called " Mutually Assured Destruction " for a reason .

 

[illusion8]

may be he thought pakistan confused the mars mission for a missile and so the test..


lets get back to the topic..
can some one tell how much yield is required for a blast radius of 5km.

No I didn't - it was an observation - now go ahead with your on topic questions.