Pakistan asks US to share al-Zawahiri intel

[Solomon2]

Pakistanis (both civilian and military) were not particularly incensed that Pakistan's 'sovereignty' was breached by the raid. It was the official and media noise generated against 'Pakistan' as a country which was the problem. Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir said, shortly after the raid, 'All we want is a semblance of respect in the media' (something like that). But, despite people like Rumsfeld's warning about 'not rushing to judgement', Americans decided to capitalize on the raid to humiliate Pakistan.

The sad part is that I can detect no Administration policy to specifically humiliate Pakistan, as in no name-calling or such. It's just that the Administration decided to stop remaining silent and let the facts speak for themselves.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The sad part is that I can detect no Administration policy to specifically humiliate Pakistan, as in no name-calling or such. It's just that the Administration decided to stop remaining silent and let the facts speak for themselves.

The Administration and US media did not let 'facts speak for themselves', they distorted the facts and pushed speculation and gossip to support that distortion of facts to vilify Pakistan.

In the absence of any evidence whatsoever indicating institutional Pakistani knowledge of the location of OBL, in the presence of Pakistani intelligence providing critical intelligence leading to the discovery of OBL, in the presence of Pakistan intelligence neutralizing several high level AQ leaders such as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Libbi, amongst hundreds of other high, mid and low level AQ members, in the presence of Pakistani knowledge of covert US intelligence activity in the Abbottabad area before the raid - the distortion of 'facts' and indeed the outright lies and smear campaign against the ISI/PA is nothing but outright dishonesty, duplicity and deceit on the part of the US Establishment.

 

[Solomon2]

The Administration and US media did not let 'facts speak for themselves', they distorted the facts and pushed speculation and gossip to support that distortion of facts to vilify Pakistan. In the absence of any evidence whatsoever indicating institutional Pakistani knowledge of the location of OBL -

Not enough. Indeed, as we discussed it didn't matter whether there was "institutional Pakistani knowledge of the location of OBL" or not; what mattered was that Pakistan trashed Americans' desired and made no effort to look or care to know OBL's location because Pakistan (by your account) considered OBL dead. Nobody is safer than a dead man, so OBL was able to work with almost no security other than secrecy.

Hmmm, maybe, since Pakistan considers Zawahiri alive, it might approach the issue differently?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not enough. Indeed, as we discussed it didn't matter whether there was "institutional Pakistani knowledge of the location of OBL" or not; what mattered was that Pakistan trashed Americans' desired and made no effort to look or care to know OBL's location because Pakistan (by your account) considered OBL dead. Nobody is safer than a dead man, so OBL was able to work with almost no security other than secrecy.

Not true - the fact that Pakistan captured and turned over KSM (who provided critical intelligence), the fact that Pakistan provided critical intelligence on the man who turned out to be OBL's courier early this year/late last year - all point to continued Pakistani collaboration with the CIA despite Pakistani opinion that OBL was likely dead.

Hmmm, maybe, since Pakistan considers Zawahiri alive, it might approach the issue differently?

No - Pakistan's primary threats are the TTP and associated groups. I see no reason to allocate more resources for hunting down Zawahiri. In any case, given that it was US ELINT capability that allowed the final piece of the puzzle to be put together, WRT OBL's location, that would be one element that Pakistan would not be able to utilize in any case, and resorting to collaborating with the US would likely result in the US humiliating and deceiving Pakistan again.