Pakistan as a solution to the Chinese demographic problem

[hyperman]

Input all your thoughts, memories into computer. You will live in data world forever.

Ehh its all science fiction, and there would be a philosophical debate whether its a copy or the real thing.

But religions did not help those scientists for their achievements. Galileo was oppressed by religion.

Its a bit more complicated than that, Galileo himself was a christian.

Also How many people did Atheists like Mao and Stalin oppress? Mao destroyed artisans, should i blame atheists for only cary for material things and destroying other cultural aspects of humanity? either way, we are going off topic, so imma end the conversation here.

 

[chinasun]

I went to the Buddhist hall to burn incense and worship Buddha yesterday! Where have most people in China gone! No one has ever accused me of going to a Buddhist temple!

 

[S10]

I don't see immigration from Pakistan as a solution to China's demographic problem.

1. Pakistani has lower per capita GDP and will bring down standard of living.
2. Most Pakistanis are Muslims and will generally find it hard to integrate.
3. There is a shortage in women in China, not men where Pakistan has abundance.

 

[kankan326]

ts a bit more complicated than that, Galileo himself was a christian.

Also How many people did Atheists like Mao and Stalin oppress? Mao destroyed artisans, should i blame atheists for only cary for material things and destroying other cultural aspects of humanity? either way, we are going off topic, so imma end the conversation here.

Everyone was Christian in Europe by then. You can not attribute their achievements to religion. Renaissance is anti-religion.

Chinese in Mao era were more religious than today. They cared ideology more than actual national interest back then.

 

[etylo]

Probably better just relocating labor intensive parts of the Chinese economy to Pakistani especially if the products are going to or raw materials are coming from Africa or the Middle East. Similar to how Japan has build factories in ASEAN countries/Bangladesh/India and decreasing the need to import labor, shifting part of the production to a large and friendly lower labor cost country is a win win solution. Pakistan will earn more money to spend on more Chinese procure to build up more of its industries and buy more Chinese goods.

Considering the 996 expectations, many Pakistanis probably wouldn’t want to work in China based factories itself. Many Pakistani don’t want to relocate to other cities in Pakistan for manual work, much less other countries. The white collar workers and Students are a different story and would probably be more willing to move to advance their careers.

This is why a direct rail line between the two countries would be truly game changing (costing under $25 Billion). No need to depend on the Afghans and Central Asians (potential interference from the Russians, Turks, and Western countries), and its benefit to China as an alternative to sailing supplies around the Indian Ocean and south east Asia are benefits to Chinese business.

If you imaging Pakistan similar to the West coast of North America with the mountains in between the two countries like the American Rocky Mountains and China itself like the eastern 2/3 of North America, you can see this will effectively for Chinese business make the China’s logistical opportunities similar to the US and it’s two ocean routes.

Migrations, even if allowed, may result in a few million Pakistanis moving to China, but a shift of industries to Pakistan allows these factories to pick the best talent from amongst nearly the entire labor force

The terrains of giant steep mountan ranges between Pakistan and China make it very difficult, if not impossible to build the railroad for long distance for now, I think.

 

[epebble]

Some of the anti-China sentiment that has been created is the result of Indian endeavours where articles are written and sold to Pakistani authors who are prepared to publish them under their names.

Daniel Pearl, Piotr Stańczak, Priyantha Diyawadan and numerous Chinese workers would strongly disagree that they were all written up ghosts before being murdered.

 

[my2cents]

Why do you always claim I encourge Chinese women marry foreign men? I only said that marriages are personal matters which no other people should interfere, including the governments.

What is the attitude of Chinese towards outsiders marrying Chinese?

 

[Valar.]

I don't see immigration from Pakistan as a solution to China's demographic problem.

1. Pakistani has lower per capita GDP and will bring down standard of living.
2. Most Pakistanis are Muslims and will generally find it hard to integrate.
3. There is a shortage in women in China, not men where Pakistan has abundance.

There are two different kind of immigration: The western style ones in which you can get citizenship and then there is Middle Eastern and Malaysian style ones in which you are not allowed to become citizens. You work and you go home. If China ever opens up for immigration, it will be most likely like Mid Eastern route.


1. Lower per capita inome is the reason people move to higher per capita income countries to work, just like you did from China to Canada. Does not mean it reduced their living standards, does it?

2. People from opposite religious belief or lack there of always find it hard to integrate at first. Some integrate, some don't. Along with religion, there are cultural aspects too.

3. Why do you automatically assume people would be going there for marriage purposes? What if they are just there for work only like in middle eastern countries?
90% of Dubai population are foriegners. In case of Qatar, its also around 90% with the worst male to female ratio (3:1).

 

[beijingwalker]

What is the attitude of Chinese towards outsiders marrying Chinese?

You can see we have very different opinions even here.

 

[lcloo]

China will not be worse off even if its population shrink to 1.1 billion people. The current and near future problem is how to provide for the aging population by the younger generation. The economic problem for younger family members will be a heavy burden in increasingly high cost of living in China.

However, being a socialist state, Chinese government will ultimately have to share these burdens with the young family members by allocating funds from national budget in the future. Better wealth sharing from high income group via financial policies, and minimum wages and better pays will help too.

Foreign immgrants are not family members and will have near zero contribution in this repect of providing for old aged peoples.
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However, they can contribute to national economy as short term contract workers in sectors where there is labor shortage. Foreign workers will have to return to their home country after their contract is over. I believe Vietnamese will be more desirable than Pakistanis because of their culture and religion which are similar to Chinese, thus will have minimal social impact on the locals.

USA has over 330 million population, they can produce an economy of largest GDPin the World. China with reduced population of even less than 1 billion can do better in future beyond 2030 with universal deployment of AI and robot workers, and factories and farmlands almost free from human.

 

[Valar.]

China will not be worse off even if its population shrink to 1.1 billion people. The current and near future problem is how to provide for the aging population by the younger generation. The economic problem for younger family members will be a heavy burden in increasingly high cost of living in China.

However, being a socialist state, Chinese government will ultimately have to share these burdens with the young family members by allocating funds from national budget in the future. Better wealth sharing from high income group via financial policies, and minimum wages and better pays will help too.

Foreign immgrants are not family members and will have near zero contribution in this repect of providing for old aged peoples.
.
However, they can contribute to national economy as short term contract workers in sectors where there is labor shortage. Foreign workers will have to return to their home country after their contract is over. I believe Vietnamese will be more desirable than Pakistanis because of their culture and religion which are similar to Chinese, thus will have minimal social impact on the locals.

USA has over 330 million population, they can produce an economy of largest GDPin the World. China with reduced population of even less than 1 billion can do better in future beyond 2030 with universal deployment of AI and robot workers, and factories and farmlands almost free from human.

China's current problem for this decade is not Population but rising minimum wages due to which smaller industries are gonna find diffuculties. Solution is to either bring foriegn contract workers or to relocate smaller industries to other countries. I suggest the latter.

Population issue will come from middle of next decade but it can be avoided if Chinese started having more kids either voluntrarily or forcefully like previous oppressive one child policy. But unlike last time when Chinese were allowed to have no more than one child for 38 years, this time Chinese will be forced to have 2/3 children. Only time will tell what happens.

 

[S10]

There are two different kind of immigration: The western style ones in which you can get citizenship and then there is Middle Eastern and Malaysian style ones in which you are not allowed to become citizens. You work and you go home. If China ever opens up for immigration, it will be most likely like Mid Eastern route.


1. Lower per capita inome is the reason people move to higher per capita income countries to work, just like you did from China to Canada. Does not mean it reduced their living standards, does it?

2. People from opposite religious belief or lack there of always find it hard to integrate at first. Some integrate, some don't. Along with religion, there are cultural aspects too.

3. Why do you automatically assume people would be going there for marriage purposes? What if they are just there for work only like in middle eastern countries?
90% of Dubai population are foriegners. In case of Qatar, its also around 90% with the worst male to female ratio (3:1).

China doesn't have a shortage of labour. The top priority for the government is actually finding job for new graduates. Second, why would China bring in immgrants that will be hard to integrate? Lastly, China has enough talents to supply its own economy and automation will make up for reduction in total number of workers.

From language, cultural, religious and educational standpoints, it doesn't make sense. That's not to mention potential security issues with Pakistan having a huge terrorism problem.

 

[Valar.]

China doesn't have a shortage of labour. The top priority for the government is actually finding job for new graduates. Second, why would China bring in immgrants that will be hard to integrate? Lastly, China has enough talents to supply its own economy and automation will make up for reduction in total number of workers.

From language, cultural, religious and educational standpoints, it doesn't make sense. That's not to mention potential security issues with Pakistan having a huge terrorism problem.

Read my next comment.

China's current problem for this decade is not Population but rising minimum wages due to which smaller industries are gonna find diffuculties. Solution is to either bring foriegn contract workers or to relocate smaller industries to other countries. I suggest the latter.

Population issue will come from middle of next decade but it can be avoided if Chinese started having more kids either voluntrarily or forcefully like previous oppressive one child policy. But unlike last time when Chinese were allowed to have no more than one child for 38 years, this time Chinese will be forced to have 2/3 children. Only time will tell what happens.

 

[fitpOsitive]

My opinion:
If the population of a country is shrinking then there is a social problem in that country. If the govt of that country doesnt want to solve that issue, of course with peoples help, then that govt is an enemy of the people of that country.
Similar goes with overpopulation issue. In fact both of these issues work exactly opposite. Chinese govt better solve the issue, rather than finding a short term but lethal fix.
"Experts" in Pakistan are anyway almost always in search of charity.

 

[etylo]

China can even afford to let its population to slowly decrease to say 500 millions over a period of time for the optimum living conditions on the population there, but I dont think China will allow the population to decrease to that low.