Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Water Car Engineer]

Dazzler or anyone else could kindly explain that why did the US Abram failed in Bahawalpur desert, whereas saudia and kuwait owns and operates them and these countries are also extremely hot....

I think the conditions in Indo-Pak border areas are different than the ones there. Foreign OEMs have trouble in thar as well, specific times can cause different results alone.

 

[Signalian]

Dazzler or anyone else could kindly explain that why did the US Abram failed in Bahawalpur desert, whereas saudia and kuwait owns and operates them and these countries are also extremely hot....

Listen at 36:00, one of the reasons.

 

[Beast]

Dazzler or anyone else could kindly explain that why did the US Abram failed in Bahawalpur desert, whereas saudia and kuwait owns and operates them and these countries are also extremely hot....

Kuwait is grateful for US saving them from Iraq Invasion. So even the tank is defect, they are obliged to buy certain from US. Saudi closed r/s with US during those times make them close one eye on another thing bought from US.

Something a lot of military deal involves politics and nothing to do with merit. I saw a lot of make up youtube video by American self glorifying their M1A2 abrams tank with absolute no merit. How can a overweight 72tons tank which consume gasoline like no tomorrow is the world best tank? Most of the additional weight is to make space for the loader and nothing to do with thicker armour. US tank are overhype, weight and underpowered. It is a logistic nightmare to handle. It can never be the best tank.

Look at how mediocre it perform against Yemen by Saudi.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[帅的一匹]

Why I can't see these pictures bro?

 

[razgriz19]

Kuwait is grateful for US saving them from Iraq Invasion. So even the tank is defect, they are obliged to buy certain from US. Saudi closed r/s with US during those times make them close one eye on another thing bought from US.

Something a lot of military deal involves politics and nothing to do with merit. I saw a lot of make up youtube video by American self glorifying their M1A2 abrams tank with absolute no merit. How can a overweight 72tons tank which consume gasoline like no tomorrow is the world best tank? Most of the additional weight is to make space for the loader and nothing to do with thicker armour. US tank are overhype, weight and underpowered. It is a logistic nightmare to handle. It can never be the best tank.

Look at how mediocre it perform against Yemen by Saudi.

US Army Abrams differ from the ones exported to countries.

 

[razgriz19]

Its time we invest in active protection for tanks and APCs

 

[royalharris]

Kuwait is grateful for US saving them from Iraq Invasion. So even the tank is defect, they are obliged to buy certain from US. Saudi closed r/s with US during those times make them close one eye on another thing bought from US.

Something a lot of military deal involves politics and nothing to do with merit. I saw a lot of make up youtube video by American self glorifying their M1A2 abrams tank with absolute no merit. How can a overweight 72tons tank which consume gasoline like no tomorrow is the world best tank? Most of the additional weight is to make space for the loader and nothing to do with thicker armour. US tank are overhype, weight and underpowered. It is a logistic nightmare to handle. It can never be the best tank.

Look at how mediocre it perform against Yemen by Saudi.

The sale of military equipment was originally a continuation of international politics

At present, the Western influence dominates the current international community, and controls the media. The western countries have a higher volume of arms sales. The Western military equipment is too exaggerated, which is a normal phenomenon.

But the Chinese people themselves, first of all, have to be confident, and at the same time, they should objectively judge the shortcomings of the existence.
For the last 100 years, China has been in a backward state for most of the time, and self-confidence is the most missing part of the people.

 

[Beast]

US Army Abrams differ from the ones exported to countries.

Same I can say about the T-72 used by Iraq against US. No.. Hater will claimed the T-72 used by Iraq is high tech and best and yet easily beaten by US Abram tank... See the Ironic where one rules apply to one but not others.

Dont be delusion that the abram tank received by Saudi is as good as just a T-54A. They are degraded but not by alot. If you are so hype by American product, go ahead and live in your fantasy.

The sale of military equipment was originally a continuation of international politics

At present, the Western influence dominates the current international community, and controls the media. The western countries have a higher volume of arms sales. The Western military equipment is too exaggerated, which is a normal phenomenon.

But the Chinese people themselves, first of all, have to be confident, and at the same time, they should objectively judge the shortcomings of the existence.

Precisely, alot of wrong perception and smearing are against the Chinese from politics to products. It no surprise, people are easily duped into believing serving an agenda.

The only thing the current western society is good at is spreading misinform.

Let me give you an example, during SL civil war. A SL AF F-7 armed with Chinese PL-5E missile failed to knock out the Tamil Tiger Cessena. Nothing to do with China made product but bad perception from SL pilot. Becos they think Chinese missile is definitely inferior than western French made Magic missile and needs more lock on time and therefore they delay firing the missile even it has already lock on. SL AF chief is angry and ask the technical expert from China to explain. When the expert find out these things. He give a good laugh and ask the SL fighter pilot to pull the trigger immediately next time the Chinese missile lock onto target. The SL fighter pilot decide to do what the Chinese missile expert told him and the rest is history.

Same is happening here in PDF where plenty of fake make up story bragging about first time experience claiming how bad China weapon is trying to dupe others into believing the smearing. Then they will make up fake story bragging how good western weapon and superior their product is, saying it as good as gold.

I am sick of so many of these fake story.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Hey if VT4 fits the bill then why not???

Same I can say about the T-72 used by Iraq against US. No.. Hater will claimed the T-72 used by Iraq is high tech and best and yet easily beaten by US Abram tank... See the Ironic where one rules apply to one but not others.

Dont be delusion that the abram tank received by Saudi is as good as just a T-54A. They are degraded but not by alot. If you are so hype by American product, go ahead and live in your fantasy.


Precisely, alot of wrong perception and smearing are against the Chinese from politics to products. It no surprise, people are easily duped into believing serving an agenda.

The only thing the current western society is good at is spreading misinform.

Let me give you an example, during SL civil war. A SL AF F-7 armed with Chinese PL-5E missile failed to knock out the Tamil Tiger Cessena. Nothing to do with China made product but bad perception from SL pilot. Becos they think Chinese missile is definitely inferior than western French made Magic missile and needs more lock on time and therefore they delay firing the missile even it has already lock on. SL AF chief is angry and ask the technical expert from China to explain. When the expert find out these things. He give a good laugh and ask the SL fighter pilot to pull the trigger immediately next time the Chinese missile lock onto target. The SL fighter pilot decide to do what the Chinese missile expert told him and the rest is history.

Same is happening here in PDF where plenty of fake make up story bragging about first time experience claiming how bad China weapon is trying to dupe others into believing the smearing. Then they will make up fake story bragging how good western weapon and superior their product is, saying it as good as gold.

I am sick of so many of these fake story.

 

[Beast]

Hey if VT4 fits the bill then why not???

It is currently in the trial.

 

[Gryphon]

The replacements for T-59/69 and then T-85 could be coming in the form of VT-4. That would be 4-5 different types of MBT's again in service. AK, AK-II, AZ, T-80 and VT-4. AK and AK-1 have many similarities and if Oplot is chosen, it will have similarities with T-80.

T-59, T-69, T-85 and AK/AK-1 share many commonalities, as mentioned below. And probably, VT-4 and AK series/MBT 2000 have similarities as well.

ERA should be a stop gap. An active protection system, though costly, should be pursued, preferably a home grown system. Trophy APS is said to be proven in combat.

A hard kill APS, not the 'soft' ones.

 

[HRK]

Anyone can shed light on whether the Karachi Steel Mills is operating at least in a partial capacity or not?

I think its closed ...

 

[Inception-06]

Its time we invest in active protection for tanks and APCs

Our APC haven't even smoke grenades, many MBT at the Afghan Border lack ERA and smoke grenades! First, we have to fill this gap !

 

[Beast]

T-59, T-69, T-85 and AK/AK-1 share many commonalities, as mentioned below. And probably, VT-4 and AK series/MBT 2000 have similarities as well.

A hard kill APS, not the 'soft' ones.

Type59 and Type69 dont share anything with MBT-2000 or AK-1. Just looking at the chasis , you know they are different things.

VT-4 is a new generation of tank compare to MBT-2000. The powerpack, lay out and combat system is a generation ahead of MBT-2000