Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[LKJ86]

According to Norinco, the VT-4s are handed over to the customer on schedule.
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Via @北方工业 from Weixin

According to Norinco, maybe the VT-4s have reached Pakistan.

Via @北方工业 from Weixin

 

[Tipu7]

Not the whole army but especially HIT guys. Now again, i may have to fight @Dazzler on this but having observed them for years, the HIT people are perhaps the most "had haram" and "kaam chor" lot! Yes they have produced some goodies, some pretty excellent ones in fact but there is a potential of LOT MORE. Just a little bit of dedication and visions and HIT can not only become the true back bone of our army but be a major defence exporter. POF surpass them in exports and this alone should be enough to shame these guys!

I second your opinion.
Not only HIT dudes, but people from HMC, Chinab and Qadri Foundries have questionable credibility in my eyes.

 

[Arsalan]

I second your opinion.
Not only HIT dudes, but people from HMC, Chinab and Qadri Foundries have questionable credibility in my eyes.

Well my dad worked at HMC so i wont agree on this!

No seriously, i know that organization very well, lived my life there. The problem with them is the classic civil-military issue! HMC is civilian and are usually quite pi55ed that people at SPD are making some unreasonable requests or a ignoring some excellent suggestion because of that bloody civi approach. HMC build AK gun barrels for HIT dudes. The batch of first 50 was rejected and it took engineer at HMC 8-10 months to explain that the test is flawed and there is nothing wrong with the gun. Eventually the leadership changed at HIT and they admitted (rather unwillingly) the mistake and accepted the barrels which were just fine. Two more batch (i have not checked with me dad) were made. No sure if they made any after that!!

 

[waz]

According to Norinco, maybe the VT-4s have reached Pakistan.
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Via @北方工业 from Weixin

Good morning Pakistan border region of Punjab, a new permanent resident has arrived.

I hope the crews play this track for the first test drive (sorry I can't help myself). Think 'overlord tank'

 

[LKJ86]

I hope the crews play this track for the first test drive (sorry I can't help myself). Think 'overlord tank'

What about this one:March of Steel Torrent (钢铁洪流进行曲)

 

[Tipu7]

Good morning Pakistan border region of Punjab, a new permanent resident has arrived.

I hope the crews play this track for the first test drive (sorry I can't help myself). Think 'overlord tank'

Play Command & Conquer Rise of Reds

 

[truthfollower]

Good morning Pakistan border region of Punjab, a new permanent resident has arrived.

I hope the crews play this track for the first test drive (sorry I can't help myself). Think 'overlord tank'

In Pakistan again for more testing?

 

[Mohsin A]

Good morning Pakistan border region of Punjab, a new permanent resident has arrived.

I hope the crews play this track for the first test drive (sorry I can't help myself). Think 'overlord tank'

I think the original old school c&c Hell March track would be ideal

 

[waz]

In Pakistan again for more testing?

Nope for induction and action now.

 

[truthfollower]

Nope for induction and action now.

wow! Please post video whenever it is available of this new tank

 

[Dazzler]

According to new pictures published on April 22, 2020, to the China Defense Blog, the latest version of Chinese-made Main Battle Tank (MBT) VT4 is now protected with new armor ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) Level FY-4 providing protection against Tandem Warhead ammunition. According to our previous analysis, the first version of the VT-4 MBT was fitted with ERA level FY-2.

The VT4 MBT (Main Battle Tank) is now in service with four armed forces in the world including China, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Thailand. The VT4 also called MBT-3000 is a third-generation Main Battle Tank (MBT) designed, developed and manufactured in China by NORINCO (China North Industries Corporation).

The VT4 MBT was unveiled by the Chinese defense industry in November 2019 during the China International Aviation & Aerospace or Zhuhai AirShow. The layout of this tank is very similar to the Russian tank with a crew of three including driver, commander and gunner and the use of an automatic loading system for the main armament.

The main armament of the VT4 / MBT-3000 consists of a 125 mm smoothbore gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. It is fed by an automatic loader that holds a total of 22 projectiles and charges which can be loaded at the rate of eight per minute. One 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun is mounted to the right of the main armament, while on the commander's cupola is mounted a remote weapon station armed with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun that can be used to engage ground and aerial targets.

The hull and turret of the VT4 are of welded steel construction with a layer of composite armor over the front arc. The first version of the tank was fitted with additional ERA (Explosive Reactive armor) Level FY-2 providing protection against HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) and APFSDS (Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot) ammunition. According to the latest pictures released on the Internet, the latest variant of the VT4 is now fitted at the front of the hull with ERA armor Level FY-4 providing protection against Tandem Warhead.

Currently, China produces four Level of ERA armour including the FY-I with protection against HEAT ammunition, the FY-II with protection against HEAT, APFSDS ammunition, the FY-III with protection against HEAT, APFSDS and tandem warhead ammunition and the FY-IV providing protection against HEAT, APFSDS and tandem warhead ammunition but with 85 mm thick armour blocks for the FY-IV and only 75 mm for Level III. The ERA armour consists of steel blocks with C4 explosives inside.

Reactive armour is a type of vehicle armour that reacts in some way to the impact of a weapon to reduce the damage done to the vehicle being protected. It is most effective in protecting against shaped charges and specially hardened kinetic energy penetrators. The most common type is explosive reactive armour (ERA), but variants include self-limiting explosive reactive armour (SLERA), non-energetic reactive armour (NERA), non-explosive reactive armour (NxRA), and electric reactive armour.

A high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead is a type of shaped charge explosive that uses the Munroe effect to penetrate thick tank armor. Armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) is a type of kinetic energy penetrator ammunition used to attack modern vehicle armour. As an armament for main battle tanks, it succeeds armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) ammunition, which is still used in small or medium caliber weapon systems.

Tandem warheads are effective against reactive armour, which is designed to protect an armoured vehicle (mostly tanks) against anti-tank ammunition, missiles and rocket. The first stage of the weapon is typically a weak charge that either pierces the reactive armour of the target without detonating it leaving a channel through the reactive armour so that the second warhead may pass unimpeded, or simply detonating the armour plates causing the timing of the counter-explosion to fail. The second detonation from the same projectile attacks the same location as the first detonation where the reactive armour has been compromised. Since the regular armour plating is often the only defence remaining, the main charge (second detonation) has an increased likelihood of penetrating the armour.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/wea...armour_against_tandem_warhead_ammunition.html

They also have FY5 but not for export

 

[Zarvan]

According to Norinco, maybe the VT-4s have reached Pakistan.
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Via @北方工业 from Weixin

Well let's hope you are right.

I second your opinion.
Not only HIT dudes, but people from HMC, Chinab and Qadri Foundries have questionable credibility in my eyes.

Don't forget POF also. All Had Harams and doing nothing absolutely nothing. @Arsalan

 

[Dazzler]

T-90MS has better turret geometry,better ERA with relikt,better distribution of ERA,and ammo is also sealed in armoured compartment .Laser warning recievers as well as optional active/passive defences.
Firepower is also better on Proryv-3 with its new gun able to fire the svinets round.Fire control and hunter killer aspects are same.Both have 3rd gen thermal viewer.Both are digitally connected with satellite navigation available.
Mobility largely equal.1300 HP engine.T-90 lighter.You speak of 1500 HP but you will be lucky to have 1300 hp chinese engine working reliably,if it fails you may have to go back to 900 hp engine.

There is no 900Hp version of 150HB series engine. It has 1500, 1300 and 1000HP versions respectively. Stop making things out of your arse.

VT-4 purchase by Pakistan army I said years ago. Dazzler I remember disagree with me and convinced Pakistan army will buy something else and develop own designs and how VT-4 is very flawed in some different ways. Of course no way you can buy perfect tank for export price of $5M each. Maybe Korean K2 for middle weight or Leopard a7 for heavy and Japanese tank 10 for light weight are best in most regard. But export price will be between $15M to $20M each with similar level of training and support.

What I said was based on PAs preferences and past trials when the UDs leapfrogged over the storm II. Chinese mbts have come a long way since then.

 

[Zarvan]

There is no 900Hp version of 150HB series engine. It has 1500, 1300 and 1000HP versions respectively. Stop making things out of your arse.



What I said was based on PAs preferences and past trials when the UDs leapfrogged over the storm II. Chinese mbts have come a long way since then.

If VT 4 have really arrived please post the pictures if you manage to get them.

@PanzerKiel

 

[ziaulislam]

Chinese engine has failed in tests before and in other trials.Lets see how it works in the field with PA,especially in the desert.Chinese are new to engine making and are not known for their quality.Fingers crossed.

Yeah koreans didnt know shit in 1990s either..now who owns the mobile/tv industry
Chinese didnt know any thing either in 2000-2010 era....things have changed..only india has been asleep and world has moved on