Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions.

[Path-Finder]

Guys if this news has come true what are the chances of us getting the mpt-76. As the nespapers had reported?? @Path-Finder @Zarvan (the scar waley baba g)

SCAR wale baba ji was SCARing for MPT76 until SCAR came onboard. Now who wants to go back to the budhi you divorced?

 

[Zarvan]

SCAR wale baba ji was SCARing for MPT76 until SCAR came onboard. Now who wants to go back to the budhi you divorced?

MPT-76 passed our winter trials but failed in summer ones. How ever the company said it would resolve the issues and what I know is they want Pakistan to re test the Gun and it would not be bad idea to test it again. I have been supporting the idea of Pakistan more than one rifle series for long time.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

So will we hear the News

PAKISTAN TO GET T-129 ATTACK HELICOPTERS FROM TURKEY TO REPLACE IT'S AGEING FLEET OF COBRA'S WITH TOT AND PRODUCTION LINE IN PAKISTAN

Just Dreaming after Sehri P

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

So will we hear the News

PAKISTAN TO GET T-129 ATTACK HELICOPTERS FROM TURKEY TO REPLACE IT'S AGEING FLEET OF COBRA'S WITH TOT AND PRODUCTION LINE IN PAKISTAN

Just Dreaming after Sehri P

Inshallah

I would be even more elated if we can take the ATAK and turn it into a heavier strike/assault platform. With the help from turks it may very well be achievable

 

[Cool_Soldier]

I am very much confident that this contract (T-129 with TOT)will be done this year any time-Insha Allah

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Looks like the Ramadan du'at here are coming to fruition.

This is the latest from Alan Warnes. Summary: Pakistan reportedly in talks for 30 T129, a deal could be reached by early-to-mid 2018 (coinciding with the Farnborough Air Show). @Oscar @Horus @cabatli_53 @T-123456 @TheOccupiedKashmir @Penguin

http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/11-air/1746-pakatak.html

PAKISTAN ON VERGE OF ORDERING TAI T129 ATAK

A high-level delegation from the Pakistan Army, led by the Army Chief of Staff, was expected to visit Ankara during Paris Air Show 2017. It led to the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) leadership, including TAI Chairman and CEO, Temel Kotil, returning home. TAI’s new boss visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra in late May to see the facilities there, and was suitably impressed. He told MONS in Paris: “I was very impressed with their capabilities and I’m sure we can do much work together in the future.”

Pakistan’s interest in TAI’s T129 ATAK Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter continues to grow following the completion of the technical evaluation. As part of that procedure, TAI’s T129, P6, which is in the static display at the airshow spent 10 days undergoing hot and high evaluation trials in Pakistan during late May 2015. It saw the ATAK operating in temperatures of 52° C and was flown by a Pakistani Army Aviation pilot alongside a TAI test pilot. During the trials in the Hindu Kush in the Himalaya mountains, the T129 ATAK flew over 14,000ft. A source said, “the helicopter is the best fit for all the Pakistan Army’s requirements.”

Contract discussions are believed to be now underway for 30 T129s, with a deal expected to be announced in late 2017 or early 2018. If it happens you can expect it to be big news at next year’s Farnborough International Air Show, the source continued, adding, “we could make deliveries in a very short time period.”

The Pakistan Army currently flies a mix of AH-1F/S COBRAs based at Multan, that forward deploy to several forward operating bases/forward operating locations. They have been heavily involved in Pakistan’s war with militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) and have been known to fly up to 15,000 feet.

That’s well above their maximum height restrictions, but due to the threat of SAMs in the high mountainous area, it’s a must. One Army pilot MONS spoke to two years ago said the helicopter ‘creaks and makes strange noises’ at that height, but what option do we have?’

Soon they may several options, because in addition to the T129 ATAK, the Pakistan Army has also ordered 12 Bell AH-1Z VIPERs. Bell Helicopter revealed at Paris Air Show that the first three helicopters ordered in 2015 under a FMS deal are expected to be delivered by the end of the year. A Bell spokesman at Paris told the author that the first is due to fly imminently, and training of Pakistan Army crews and maintenance personnel is underway.

They will join four Mi-35Ps believed to be on order and three Chinese built Z-10s which have been based at Multan since 2015, although there has been strong speculation that the latter are not currently flying. The fear of sanctions, means that Pakistan often spreads its bet by acquiring platforms from different nations, however much of a logistical headache that maybe!

Alan Warnes

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Good to know.
I hope contract will be expended for T-129.
It would be more than 30 and with TOT.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Altay and TFX left hope we get em soon

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Looks like the Ramadan du'at here are coming to fruition.

This is the latest from Alan Warnes. Summary: Pakistan reportedly in talks for 30 T129, a deal could be reached by early-to-mid 2018 (coinciding with the Farnborough Air Show). @Oscar @Horus @cabatli_53 @T-123456 @TheOccupiedKashmir @Penguin

http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/11-air/1746-pakatak.html

PAKISTAN ON VERGE OF ORDERING TAI T129 ATAK

A high-level delegation from the Pakistan Army, led by the Army Chief of Staff, was expected to visit Ankara during Paris Air Show 2017. It led to the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) leadership, including TAI Chairman and CEO, Temel Kotil, returning home. TAI’s new boss visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra in late May to see the facilities there, and was suitably impressed. He told MONS in Paris: “I was very impressed with their capabilities and I’m sure we can do much work together in the future.”

Pakistan’s interest in TAI’s T129 ATAK Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter continues to grow following the completion of the technical evaluation. As part of that procedure, TAI’s T129, P6, which is in the static display at the airshow spent 10 days undergoing hot and high evaluation trials in Pakistan during late May 2015. It saw the ATAK operating in temperatures of 52° C and was flown by a Pakistani Army Aviation pilot alongside a TAI test pilot. During the trials in the Hindu Kush in the Himalaya mountains, the T129 ATAK flew over 14,000ft. A source said, “the helicopter is the best fit for all the Pakistan Army’s requirements.”

Contract discussions are believed to be now underway for 30 T129s, with a deal expected to be announced in late 2017 or early 2018. If it happens you can expect it to be big news at next year’s Farnborough International Air Show, the source continued, adding, “we could make deliveries in a very short time period.”

The Pakistan Army currently flies a mix of AH-1F/S COBRAs based at Multan, that forward deploy to several forward operating bases/forward operating locations. They have been heavily involved in Pakistan’s war with militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) and have been known to fly up to 15,000 feet.

That’s well above their maximum height restrictions, but due to the threat of SAMs in the high mountainous area, it’s a must. One Army pilot MONS spoke to two years ago said the helicopter ‘creaks and makes strange noises’ at that height, but what option do we have?’

Soon they may several options, because in addition to the T129 ATAK, the Pakistan Army has also ordered 12 Bell AH-1Z VIPERs. Bell Helicopter revealed at Paris Air Show that the first three helicopters ordered in 2015 under a FMS deal are expected to be delivered by the end of the year. A Bell spokesman at Paris told the author that the first is due to fly imminently, and training of Pakistan Army crews and maintenance personnel is underway.

They will join four Mi-35Ps believed to be on order and three Chinese built Z-10s which have been based at Multan since 2015, although there has been strong speculation that the latter are not currently flying. The fear of sanctions, means that Pakistan often spreads its bet by acquiring platforms from different nations, however much of a logistical headache that maybe!

Alan Warnes

in 2018

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Good to know.
I hope contract will be expended for T-129.
It would be more than 30 and with TOT.

30 probably be the initial order..

 

[Silahtar]

Paris Air Show: TAI bullish about future prospects

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is ambitious about expanding its current portfolio of rotorcraft for the domestic and international market.

Currently manufacturers of the T129 Atak and the T625 multirole helicopter, TAI is looking towards next year and considering the introduction of new platforms.

Metİn Olcay, business development of the helicopter group at TAI, explained to Shephard that although plans were still in the early stages, the company was looking at growing its range of existing helicopters.

‘We want to complete our range of helicopters, we want more than two [aircraft]. In 2018 we will be starting on other helicopter designs, smaller or larger [than the existing rotorcraft] - it will be customer dependent,’ Olcay said.

No further details were available at this stage. However, the T625, which was launched in 2013, has now completed its CDR phase.

Olcay confirmed that the first flight of the T625 was on schedule for 2018, with the first prototype currently being manufactured and will soon undergo ground tests. EASA certification is anticipated to be in 2020.

‘We expect good market support domestically and internationally for the aircraft. We have [around] 350 engineers working on the helicopter design.’

The company’s assembly line is in Ankara, Turkey, which is also producing the T129 along with the assembly of Black Hawks for the Turkish MoD.

On the military side, the T129’s weapon integration has had positive feedback from the Turkish Armed Forces.
According to Olcay the armed forces have been actively using the weapons in the field and are utilising them more than initially expected.

‘Recently, we surpassed 10,000 flight hours in total. In this short timeframe, this is double [the number of] hours that we expected. They are being heavily used.’

As of June 2017, 22 helicopters out of 59 have been delivered and Olcay is optimistic that additional orders will continue from the Turkish government.

At the moment, one aircraft is being delivered per month thus orders will continue into 2020. Olcay also explained that Pakistan is interested in the attack helicopter and while numbers were still not agreed on, details were soon to be announced.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/paris-air-show-tai-bullish-about-future-prospects/

 

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[singlefighter]

This post is typical of the prevailing anti- US sentiment among the Pakistanis which IMHO shows that we have very short term memory. In actual fact United States has a long history of supplying Pakistan with weapons. 1965 war that we so fondly celebrate each year wast fought almost entirely with US supplied Sabres, B-57s & Herks of the PAF; US supplied Pattons, Sherman and big guns of the Pak Army & US financed submarine & warships of the PN.
Remember, US had also approved the sale of 8 F-16; however she declined to finance the sale as well.

US employs economic aid, military aid and the sale of military hardware as tool to advance her global policy. It is about time my compatriots understood that there is no such thing as “Free lunch". If you go against US interest, US will cut off the supplies. One can therefore correctly say that US is "Fair weather friend” that's about it.
It may be tough for Pakistan but that is "Realpolitik”. Pray tell me, would you sell Thunders to a hostile Afghan gov’t?

These days India is needed as a counter against the growing Chinese influence in the region also Indian coffers are full of dollars, hence India is free to buy US equipment. Remember at one time Iran was also in similar position and the Shah bought state of the art F-4s as well F-14’s. Should you have billions of readily available dollars allocated to buy defence hardware; if not the US, France or Britain and if all else fails then Russia will be there to sell.

However, the real problem with the US & Western equipment is that most of the European military hardware also has some parts of the US origin, hence is prone to the US sanctions. France is an exception and in my opinion that is one of the factors why India went for Rafael.

Bro you are missing some thing,when war broke out in 1965 US put embargo.and after the war china came forward and rescue Pak armed forces with its supplied weapons and aircrafts.in 1971 US put embargo even before the war started so they did in 1990 even they halt F16 which was fully paid.same thing now can be repeated any time because of joker trump

 

[mikaal hassan]

Looks like the Ramadan du'at here are coming to fruition.

This is the latest from Alan Warnes. Summary: Pakistan reportedly in talks for 30 T129, a deal could be reached by early-to-mid 2018 (coinciding with the Farnborough Air Show). @Oscar @Horus @cabatli_53 @T-123456 @TheOccupiedKashmir @Penguin

http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/11-air/1746-pakatak.html

PAKISTAN ON VERGE OF ORDERING TAI T129 ATAK

A high-level delegation from the Pakistan Army, led by the Army Chief of Staff, was expected to visit Ankara during Paris Air Show 2017. It led to the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) leadership, including TAI Chairman and CEO, Temel Kotil, returning home. TAI’s new boss visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra in late May to see the facilities there, and was suitably impressed. He told MONS in Paris: “I was very impressed with their capabilities and I’m sure we can do much work together in the future.”

Pakistan’s interest in TAI’s T129 ATAK Tactical Reconnaissance and Attack Helicopter continues to grow following the completion of the technical evaluation. As part of that procedure, TAI’s T129, P6, which is in the static display at the airshow spent 10 days undergoing hot and high evaluation trials in Pakistan during late May 2015. It saw the ATAK operating in temperatures of 52° C and was flown by a Pakistani Army Aviation pilot alongside a TAI test pilot. During the trials in the Hindu Kush in the Himalaya mountains, the T129 ATAK flew over 14,000ft. A source said, “the helicopter is the best fit for all the Pakistan Army’s requirements.”

Contract discussions are believed to be now underway for 30 T129s, with a deal expected to be announced in late 2017 or early 2018. If it happens you can expect it to be big news at next year’s Farnborough International Air Show, the source continued, adding, “we could make deliveries in a very short time period.”

The Pakistan Army currently flies a mix of AH-1F/S COBRAs based at Multan, that forward deploy to several forward operating bases/forward operating locations. They have been heavily involved in Pakistan’s war with militants in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) and have been known to fly up to 15,000 feet.

That’s well above their maximum height restrictions, but due to the threat of SAMs in the high mountainous area, it’s a must. One Army pilot MONS spoke to two years ago said the helicopter ‘creaks and makes strange noises’ at that height, but what option do we have?’

Soon they may several options, because in addition to the T129 ATAK, the Pakistan Army has also ordered 12 Bell AH-1Z VIPERs. Bell Helicopter revealed at Paris Air Show that the first three helicopters ordered in 2015 under a FMS deal are expected to be delivered by the end of the year. A Bell spokesman at Paris told the author that the first is due to fly imminently, and training of Pakistan Army crews and maintenance personnel is underway.

They will join four Mi-35Ps believed to be on order and three Chinese built Z-10s which have been based at Multan since 2015, although there has been strong speculation that the latter are not currently flying. The fear of sanctions, means that Pakistan often spreads its bet by acquiring platforms from different nations, however much of a logistical headache that maybe!

Alan Warnes

Sir will this deal be good enough without ToT ? I doubt it our requirement will end at 30 helicopters.....it will be again a.big chance missed from us to start our own helicopter industry

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I think PAA together with PAC will try to get some sort of TOT or workshare/partnership to bring the cost down. I think turks will help us with TOT or workshare because they are getting more scale to distribute their development costs.