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Pakistan army pays heavy price in Taliban war

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RAWALPINDI: Retired army captain Zafar Tajammal dismisses US demands for Pakistan to do more to fight Muslim militants as he chokes back tears.

His son Captain Bilal Zafar was killed in the prime of his life, cut down by a rocket-propelled grenade while leading a charge against entrenched Taliban fighters.

“I loved him so much that once I told him ‘I will not get you married. Because I love you so much I am afraid I will not be able to share my love with your wife’,” he said, sitting under a huge poster of the commando and the last SMS sent to relatives.

“If there was an American dignitary sitting in front of me I would certainly try to ask him, ‘What else can a human being do more than sacrificing their life? Has any other army in the world suffered so many casualties fighting militants?’”


That’s a question that has often strained relations between the United States and Pakistan, and it’s being asked once again after US authorities said a Pakistani-American was behind the attempted bombing in New York’s Times Square.

Pakistan’s Taliban claimed responsibility and threatened to carry out suicide bombings in major US cities.

Washington wants Islamabad to both crack down harder on Afghan Taliban who cross the border to Afghanistan to support a raging insurgency there, and on homegrown Taliban insurgents.

Many in the United States may wonder why Pakistan, with one of the world’s biggest armies, can’t just wipe out the Taliban.

The suggestion that Pakistan is not trying hard enough infuriates army officers who remember their fallen comrades.

MASTERS OF TERRAIN

The military says the casualty figures speak for themselves.

Pakistan has lost 2,421 soldiers fighting militants since 2004, the military says. In Afghanistan, 1,777 US-led coalition troops have died since 2001, says website icasualties.org.

There are currently 147,400 Pakistani troops stationed in the west and northwest along the Afghan border fighting militants, while total coalition troops in Afghanistan will number about 140,000 when a US troops surge is complete.


The army, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half of its history, says a series of offensives have badly hurt the Taliban.

But the Taliban still carries out suicide bombings and brazen attacks, including one on army headquarters in Rawalpindi.

Part of the problem – in Washington’s view – is Pakistan’s concentration on India, its long-time rival and fellow nuclear-armed power. Pakistan has poured most of its energy into waging and preparing for conventional warfare against India, not tackling Taliban guerrillas waging jihad.

CONSTANT PAIN

The pain Major Ishtiaq Ahmed still feels everyday – years after his vehicle was hammered by a roadside bomb – reminds him of how effective the Taliban is. His bones were shattered into small pieces in his legs. A finger was blown off one hand and two other fingers are dysfunctional.

Major Ahmed, who bristled at the suggestion Pakistani soldiers were not pressuring militants enough, says he is ready for the battlefield again. Realistically, the decorated officer will more likely inspire young soldiers to take on the Taliban rather than fight them himself. There may be generations of Pakistani soldiers needed.


“They are damn good fighters,” said Ahmed. “The Taliban. All he needs is a bottle of water strapped to his side, 50 bullets and a rifle. And he will just wait and wait on a hillside for a week for you to pass by, and attack.”


It’s a rare admission by a senior officer that Pakistan’s all-powerful military is vulnerable.

Major Syed Imtiaz Shah is proud of the picture on his wall of former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf awarding him a medal for bravery. But he considers himself lucky.

He still carries shrapnel in his neck from a clash with Indian troops in 1999. He also survived a battle with the Taliban. Militants fired a grenade at him several years ago, tearing off a large part of his forearm and leaving him with a mangled hand.


Battling Muslim militants is far more complex. For one, the Taliban often blend in with fellow ethnic Pashtun tribesmen and suddenly attack out of nowhere.

“If you find a person wearing a turban, with a Kalashnikov it does not mean he is a terrorist,” said Shah. “You have to differentiate between friend and foe. You have to get local support.”

That requires millions of dollars of investment in services, schools and job creation to win over locals. It’s money that doesn’t come easy given Pakistan’s sluggish economy.

For now, Pakistan may have to rely on sheer determination to defeat the Taliban, and memories of those who died trying.

Captain Bilal Sunawar wanted to be buried at the foot of his mother’s grave. He got his wish after being killed by a rocket-propelled grenade in a battle with the Taliban.

“Do not stand at my grave and cry. I’m not there. I did not die. I’M SHAHEED (a martyr),” reads his gravestone.


Captain Bilal’s father, Chaudhry Sunawar, also a military man, said he had no regrets over his son joining the army.

“As a very small child, he used to put my military cap on his head and roam around the bungalow with a lot of pride. From the very beginning he had a liking for the military.” – Reuters
 
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If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

Yes it has TURNED into our war... before US invaded Afghnstn and we joined the WOT we had never seen a suicide attack or such act of terrorism...

About complaining ... should we think of our gains?give ttp a free hand and ask them for not attacking us?

While some a hole barks in kabul or D.C about conducting operation?and DO MORE rant????

we should say.... GO F ... urself?Then we can easily get rid of terrorism atleast frm Pakistan.

2)We should not give a shyt abt afghan govt. and others and build a fence on our border so terrorists dont pust ammo and crap into our borders.
 
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If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

War with hindustan is always Pakistan's war...
When hindustanio army was fighting along side northern alliance it was clear that they are trying to open a new front in the north of Pakistan, which they failed for yeras.
After Kargil war Israelis and Indians really got worried and staged september 11 2001 drama and their smart bush announced to attack Afghanistan in otherwords support northern alliance in opening war front with Pakistan.
Now we are facing cover hindustani war at our northern borders.
Pakistan need to reply hindustanis in even coin.
 
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War with hindustan is always Pakistan's war...
When hindustanio army was fighting along side northern alliance it was clear that they are trying to open a new front in the north of Pakistan, which they failed for yeras.
After Kargil war Israelis and Indians really got worried and staged september 11 2001 drama and their smart bush announced to attack Afghanistan in otherwords support northern alliance in opening war front with Pakistan.
Now we are facing cover hindustani war at our northern borders.
Pakistan need to reply hindustanis in even coin.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
dont u get worried that people laugh a lot after reading ur posts.
 
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Yes it has TURNED into our war... before US invaded Afghnstn and we joined the WOT we had never seen a suicide attack or such act of terrorism...

About complaining ... should we think of our gains?give ttp a free hand and ask them for not attacking us?

While some a hole barks in kabul or D.C about conducting operation?and DO MORE rant????

we should say.... GO F ... urself?Then we can easily get rid of terrorism atleast frm Pakistan.

2)We should not give a shyt abt afghan govt. and others and build a fence on our border so terrorists dont pust ammo and crap into our borders.

that is one of the best solutions, hope gop do this as soon as possible.
 
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If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

We are complaining not because we are losing men and resources in this war, no, we will continue to fight even if we have to live off grass and fight with our bare hands. What we are complaining about is that the world should shut the fcuk up and let us fight this war the way we want to. If the world has a problem with our tactics, we would like them to show how effective their's are in the field of battle, and judging by the hammering received by NATO and ISAF, I can only imagine HOW effective their tactics are. We are fighting a war we were never trained to fight, there will be some inefficiencies but we will overcome them, until we do, the world should worry more about themselves rather than us.
 
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Yes it has TURNED into our war... before US invaded Afghnstn and we joined the WOT we had never seen a suicide attack or such act of terrorism...

The taliban were getting too strong and with their agenda of global domination, they were going to come for us sooner or later, sooner is better.

About complaining ... should we think of our gains?give ttp a free hand and ask them for not attacking us?

That would solve our problem but our society would then become a Talibanized one, I don't think I will be able to stand by and let that happen.

While some a hole barks in kabul or D.C about conducting operation?and DO MORE rant????

Indeed, they shouldn't.

we should say.... GO F ... urself?Then we can easily get rid of terrorism atleast frm Pakistan.

Our Commandant in Bajaur did say to an international newspaper that "NATO has let us down, they need to "Do More""

2)We should not give a shyt abt afghan govt. and others and build a fence on our border so terrorists dont pust ammo and crap into our borders.

Fencing and guarding a 2552 KM long border ? Next to impossible.
 
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War with hindustan is always Pakistan's war...
When hindustanio army was fighting along side northern alliance it was clear that they are trying to open a new front in the north of Pakistan, which they failed for yeras.
After Kargil war Israelis and Indians really got worried and staged september 11 2001 drama and their smart bush announced to attack Afghanistan in otherwords support northern alliance in opening war front with Pakistan.
Now we are facing cover hindustani war at our northern borders.
Pakistan need to reply hindustanis in even coin.
:tdown:

You can't talk without India? In everything you see India!!! Is that answer really has anything to do with Ahmad's post or just India hatred? Craziness! :taz:
 
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If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

dear you better read newspapers daily because its US and Nato that are complaining and crying not pakistan. We are just explaining our position and hardships.
 
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that is one of the best solutions, hope gop do this as soon as possible.

This was actually planned and implemented but the Afghan Government objected to it with USA.

CNN.com - Pakistan proposes Afghan border fence - Sep 12, 2005

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan progress on Afghan fence

The Afghanis took some of it off and there was skirmishes because of it. I guess they do not want to loose all the daily necessities and remittances from Afghans based in Pak.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghanistan 'border fence' clash

The fence construction was stalled and there are have been many calls by the government to continue work on it but with no avail.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Pakistan repeats call for fencing Afghan border

As soon as the NATO forces leave Afghanistan, we will go ahead with this plan. Sometimes I feel that we should forcefully remove the Afghani immigrants too but those who have been born and grown up here consider themselves to be Pakistani.

“I was born in Pakistan and have grown up here.

My entire family is here. Part of me wants to visit Afghanistan and see what it is really like but that is all.”

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/58168-defining-afghanis-karachi-generation-later.html
 
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If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

Did someone complain..?

And seriously, this coming from someone who has Afghani flag under his avatar, really makes me wonder if he has any affiliation with his countrymen.
 
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