Pakistan army pays heavy price in Taliban war

[Xeric]

Hes tajik bro and doesnt support tht B.S.

Well if that's the case, what moral standing does he has to comment over our personal issues..??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well if that's the case, what moral standing does he has to comment over our personal issues..??

The same the indians use.....
Right of B.S..U will see worthless indians talkin abt Balouchistan,our internal issues and stuff... its quiet common sir.

 

[javaman]

War with hindustan is always Pakistan's war...
When hindustanio army was fighting along side northern alliance it was clear that they are trying to open a new front in the north of Pakistan, which they failed for yeras.
After Kargil war Israelis and Indians really got worried and staged september 11 2001 drama and their smart bush announced to attack Afghanistan in otherwords support northern alliance in opening war front with Pakistan.
Now we are facing cover hindustani war at our northern borders.
Pakistan need to reply hindustanis in even coin.

new theory india is involved in September attack.y bush attacked afgh,they could directly attack pak.still u believe that u r living in heaven.now after sometime u will say india is stealing our food,oxygen etc etc.gen kayani rightly said we are india centric and we will remain india centric in any case

 

[Xeric]

gen kayani rightly said we are india centric and we will remain india centric in any case

There shouldnt be any doubt over that..!!

 

[deckingraj]

We are complaining not because we are losing men and resources in this war, no, we will continue to fight even if we have to live off grass and fight with our bare hands. What we are complaining about is that the world should shut the fcuk up and let us fight this war the way we want to. If the world has a problem with our tactics, we would like them to show how effective their's are in the field of battle, and judging by the hammering received by NATO and ISAF, I can only imagine HOW effective their tactics are. We are fighting a war we were never trained to fight, there will be some inefficiencies but we will overcome them, until we do, the world should worry more about themselves rather than us.

Do you honestly think that world worries about you???? In fact it is exactly opposite because world worries about itself and unfortunately Pakistani is feeling the brunt because it is/has become the epicenter of terror....Had this terror effects only you mark my words no one will bother to worry......

If we look closely we will find out that after 9/11 all the major terror attacks(successful/unsuccessful) on western world have Pakistani print on it(directly or indirectly)....All this attention is exactly the outcome of lawless areas who have turned out to be breeding grounds for terrorist.... Please don't take me wrong....I am not taking cheap shots here....However there were some policies that Pakistani establishment followed(may be they were important at that time) who are hurting them right now......Yes indeed times are difficult for Pakistan but this is the best time to correct things at a pretty fast rate.....Clean up the mess and western world will do more then enough to bring your economy back to stage where it can stand on its own....This will do world of good to Pakistan and its populace.....

In today's world the last thing you would like to be associated with is Terrorism...Unfortunately Pakistan is being perceived as epicenter of it

 

[Xeric]

Do you honestly think that world worries about you???? In fact it is exactly opposite because world worries about itself and unfortunately Pakistani is feeling the brunt because it is/has become the epicenter of terror....Had this terror effects only you mark my words no one will bother to worry......

If we look closely we will find out that after 9/11 all the major terror attacks(successful/unsuccessful) on western world have Pakistani print on it(directly or indirectly)....All this attention is exactly the outcome of lawless areas who have turned out to be breeding grounds for terrorist.... Please don't take me wrong....I am not taking cheap shots here....However there were some policies that Pakistani establishment followed(may be they were important at that time) who are hurting them right now......Yes indeed times are difficult for Pakistan but this is the best time to correct things at a pretty fast rate.....Clean up the mess and western world will do more then enough to bring your economy back to stage where it can stand on its own....This will do world of good to Pakistan and its populace.....

In today's world the last thing you would like to be associated with is Terrorism...Unfortunately Pakistan is being perceived as epicenter of it

FAIL.....!

 

[deckingraj]

There shouldnt be any doubt over that..!!

And it is entirely upto Pakistan to decide how they want to carry on their operations.....Remain India centric or TTP centric or whatever....but i have few questions to ask....

a) Do you agree that your punch to TTP would be more heavier and more deadly if your policy is not India centric??

b) Do you agree that you can save more lives of your soldiers if you can re-allocate mens and equipments from eastern border to current action???

c) Am i right when i say that Taliban was able to capture 35 soldiers of the 6 largest military in the world because sufficient help could not be arranged well in time due to resource constraints???

If answer to any of the above question is yes then don't you think weather you like it or not but at the moment having good relations with India is far more important for Pakistan then vice-versa???? If you agree above then i disagree with Kayani statement that PA is India centric and will remain in any case....bcoz your immediate needs are different then being India centric....

Anyways as said above it is upto you guys to decide that....As an Indian i am relaxed because i very well know that my borders are well protected weather PA is India centric or not....As far as their current operations is concerned so good luck to them however status quo doesn't change because this operation is not against LET who is hurting my interests....

 

[deckingraj]

FAIL.....!

I would appreciate if you can provide some feedback as well...

 

[Xeric]

And it is entirely upto Pakistan to decide how they want to carry on their operations.....Remain India centric or TTP centric or whatever....but i have few questions to ask....

a) Do you agree that your punch to TTP would be more heavier and more deadly if your policy is not India centric??

b) Do you agree that you can save more lives of your soldiers if you can re-allocate mens and equipments from eastern border to current action???

c) Am i right when i say that Taliban was able to capture 35 soldiers of the 6 largest military in the world because sufficient help could not be arranged well in time due to resource constraints???

If answer to any of the above question is yes then don't you think weather you like it or not but at the moment having good relations with India is far more important for Pakistan then vice-versa???? If you agree above then i disagree with Kayani statement that PA is India centric and will remain in any case....bcoz your immediate needs are different then being India centric....

Anyways as said above it is upto you guys to decide that....As an Indian i am relaxed because i very well know that my borders are well protected weather PA is India centric or not....As far as their current operations is concerned so good luck to them however status quo doesn't change because this operation is not against LET who is hurting my interests....

Do you agree that if india decreases troops level at the LoC there might be another Kargil..??


N.B. Cut the crap.

 

[Icarus]

Do you honestly think that world worries about you???? In fact it is exactly opposite because world worries about itself and unfortunately Pakistani is feeling the brunt because it is/has become the epicenter of terror....Had this terror effects only you mark my words no one will bother to worry......

If we look closely we will find out that after 9/11 all the major terror attacks(successful/unsuccessful) on western world have Pakistani print on it(directly or indirectly)....All this attention is exactly the outcome of lawless areas who have turned out to be breeding grounds for terrorist.... Please don't take me wrong....I am not taking cheap shots here....However there were some policies that Pakistani establishment followed(may be they were important at that time) who are hurting them right now......Yes indeed times are difficult for Pakistan but this is the best time to correct things at a pretty fast rate.....Clean up the mess and western world will do more then enough to bring your economy back to stage where it can stand on its own....This will do world of good to Pakistan and its populace.....

In today's world the last thing you would like to be associated with is Terrorism...Unfortunately Pakistan is being perceived as epicenter of it

We are doing all that we can, we are the worst affected by this terrorist menace, you are indeed correct when you claim that Pakistan is largely considered to be the epicentre of terrorism but we are also the answer to it, it is safe to say that we may be the disease but we are also the cure.

 

[Icarus]

And it is entirely upto Pakistan to decide how they want to carry on their operations.....Remain India centric or TTP centric or whatever....but i have few questions to ask....

I will be more than happen to satisfy your queries.

a) Do you agree that your punch to TTP would be more heavier and more deadly if your policy is not India centric??

I do, then we could reserve more men and material for the western front but it is also true that India is our neighbour and with the world's 4th largest military and our history full of conflicts and exploitation(Operation Gibraltar from our side and India's training of Mukti Bahini) , it is quite the threat for us, so to sum it up, yes, if we were not bound by our eastern front we could clean the west up in a matter of months but truth remains that we have to be vary of India.

b) Do you agree that you can save more lives of your soldiers if you can re-allocate mens and equipments from eastern border to current action???

To that I disagree, the men who are lost are not lost because they do not have adequate back up or supplies, it's just that sometimes the Taliban get something to celebrate about as well.

c) Am i right when i say that Taliban was able to capture 35 soldiers of the 6 largest military in the world because sufficient help could not be arranged well in time due to resource constraints???

According to military science In an insurgency(or guerilla warfare), numbers and technological advantage are multiplied by zero, see, even if we were the world's largest military, there would only be a hundred or so men on that border picket, and the Taliban can disguise themselves in the local population, so now imagine 500 taliban pouncing at you from every direction, not the most pleasant of sights, and they don't give you enough time to call for back up, they are smarter then that, they attack and try to over run the post, if they can, fine, if they can't, they never hesitate to retreat.
As for nullifying the technological advantage, if we can track their calls, they don't use phones, we can track their e-mails, they won't use the computers, we can detect the metal in their IEDs, they will start putting in marble. So they can defeat high tech, by going low tech.

If answer to any of the above question is yes then don't you think weather you like it or not but at the moment having good relations with India is far more important for Pakistan then vice-versa???? If you agree above then i disagree with Kayani statement that PA is India centric and will remain in any case....bcoz your immediate needs are different then being India centric....

We want better relations more than anything but finds such as vickers machine guns, 2007 made Indian ammo, 4 tonnes of Indian medicines and over 500 parcels of RDX, Semtex and C4 in the hands of the taliban, really make us uneasy and puts a HUGE question mark over India's commitment to maintain peaceful relations with Pakistan.

Anyways as said above it is upto you guys to decide that....As an Indian i am relaxed because i very well know that my borders are well protected weather PA is India centric or not....As far as their current operations is concerned so good luck to them however status quo doesn't change because this operation is not against LET who is hurting my interests....

Aaaaahhhhh.........the classic, my terrorist, your terrorist story, see, the LeT was banned back in 2002, so we can't really operate against an organization that had ceased to exist 8 years ago, it's trying to kill the dead, it's impossible.

 

[Icarus]

@ AM3RIC4: Your ignorance is amusing, we aren't arabs, dumb sh** and we have made a bigger dent in the Taliban problem then you and the whole known world combined. It's people like you who make me question the wisdom of my pro-western beliefs.

 

[mehru]

If it is pakistan's war, then they better not to complain that much about paying price. if it is somebody else's war, they shouldnt fight it in the first place.

We aren't complaining but we have the right to express our anger when someone doubts our intentions even after losing everything in this WOT. Pak suffered heavy casualities in this WOT. What more proofs they want?
We have no doubt that this is our war. We are fighting it within our borders. You know that many countries are fighting this WOT, not just us but time and again only our commitment is questioned.

 

[M8R]

I have a very nice reply for Ahmed but it will offend many afghans so i'll stop here.

 

[Icarus]

I have a very nice reply for Ahmed but it will offend many afghans so i'll stop here.

Ahmed is a good man, I don't believe his intention was to show Pakistan in bad light, I think it was just some poor selection of words on his part.