Pakistan Army fires 11 serving officers including Generals for corruption.

[Icarus]

So what's the standard of fineness? Lenght of service? If thats your standard of quality then whats the point of NABing beureucrates who have also served the nation for similar or even longer period of time? And yes they haven't been punished but allowed an exit like Musharraf.

Not length of service, but merely their work in the fight to control terrorism. These are all veterans. Like I said however, I fully endorse their conviction and the put my complete faith in the Military.

That being said, yes, I would not deny a bureaucrat of his merits if he were ever convicted, though that causality is somewhat redundant because who hasn't been wronged by a civil servant and then seen no action against him. Pretty much anyone who has ever had to undergo the misfortune of going to the Police, Customs, FBR and Excise for help will tell you a story of their own about what goes on there.

 

[SBD-3]

Not length of service, but merely their work in the fight to control terrorism. These are all veterans. Like I said however, I fully endorse their conviction and the put my complete faith in the Military.

That being said, yes, I would not deny a bureaucrat of his merits if he were ever convicted, though that causality is somewhat redundant because who hasn't been wronged by a civil servant and then seen no action against him. Pretty much anyone who has ever had to undergo the misfortune of going to the Police, Customs, FBR and Excise for help will tell you a story of their own about what goes on there.

Actually they're not dismissed. So the spirit of accountability has been violated . They can still associate themselves by using their titles and can avail the benifits of the institution that they shamed with their acts. I find it odd
2- I wonder if you'd ever been to a public office .The composition is not much different from any other institution including army. Only thing is that the corruption and level. In bureaucracy, corruption is abundent at lower levels and opposite in military. You'd never see a hawildar doing corruption despite him needing it most due to his uncertain future after employment. Similarly , you won't see a higher officer doing corruption as opposed to clerical staff something which I term as an "Army anomaly".

 

[Mrc]

Not length of service, but merely their work in the fight to control terrorism. These are all veterans. Like I said however, I fully endorse their conviction and the put my complete faith in the Military.

That being said, yes, I would not deny a bureaucrat of his merits if he were ever convicted, though that causality is somewhat redundant because who hasn't been wronged by a civil servant and then seen no action against him. Pretty much anyone who has ever had to undergo the misfortune of going to the Police, Customs, FBR and Excise for help will tell you a story of their own about what goes on there.

We must all appreciate their service and sacrifice....
But with great respect comes a great responsibility...
They are expected and should act on a higher moral level than a ordinary civil servant...

Its a good thing .... next time a veteran will think thrice before breaking the law...

In the end i would quote a punjabi example

" chori kakh di ya chori lakh di" chori is chori

 

[VCheng]

You can address me directly, I don't bite.

Yes they were fine individuals who have tendered decades of service for the country. I will not take that away from them. However, they have erred and have wronged the nation, for that they have been punished which is in line with the Military tradition and I fully endorse the decision of the military to punish them for their wrongdoings.

Present mistakes do not abrogate prior service, I agree. Besides, this present step, good as it is, is being over-hyped in typical national fashion. This hoopla and chest-thumping will die out soon, and everybody will get back to business as usual.

 

[Mrc]

Present mistakes do not abrogate prior service, I agree. Besides, this present step, good as it is, is being over-hyped in typical national fashion. This hoopla and chest-thumping will die out soon, and everybody will get back to business as usual.

I agree on one thing....

This should not be an exception....

It should be the norm....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He is somewhat right. A dismissal means dishonory discharge which is not the case

Which is the case here...

 

[omega supremme]

These men, regardless of their shortcomings are all fine individuals with exemplary national service and to see them disgraced like this on public forum hurts me.

These man allowed smuggling through Balochistan during their tenure in FC. I still can't know who put rank of Lt Gen on Lt Gen Obaidullah for he was already known for having large cache of money transferred from Balochistan to Rawalpindi such black sheep cause long terms troubles for the Army and destroy few honest officers career

 

[Icarus]

Actually they're not dismissed. So the spirit of accountability has been violated . They can still associate themselves by using their titles and can avail the benifits of the institution that they shamed with their acts. I find it odd

They've been stripped of all entitlements save for pension as per the news report, however, I guess we'll only know for sure when (and if) the ISPR releases details regarding the matter.

2- I wonder if you'd ever been to a public office .The composition is not much different from any other institution including army. Only thing is that the corruption and level. In bureaucracy, corruption is abundent at lower levels and opposite in military. You'd never see a hawildar doing corruption despite him needing it most due to his uncertain future after employment. Similarly , you won't see a higher officer doing corruption as opposed to clerical staff something which I term as an "Army anomaly".

I have unfortunately had run-ins with the civil authorities twice. Once with the Police on the loss of my wallet where I had to buy the entire thanna lunch for my report to be registered. The fun part is, they never demanded a bribe as such, they merely said, Sir we had been waiting for you and missed our lunch so it is only natural that you buy us food now. I had to ask a friend who was with me to pay for their food but that was tolerable, I don't hold that to heart as such.

The worst experience I had was with excise when they impounded my car, everyone from the chowkidar to a grade 19 officer wanted a piece of the pie. The watchman told me that for Rs. 60,000, he could "forget" to close the gates and I could take my car away and get it registered in some other province.
And a grade 19 officer told me that my car will eventually rust away at the lot, so it would be in "my best interest" to accept his "generous" offer of Rs. 100,000 for my car and that I should quit pursuing the case and sign the vehicle into his ownership.

Present mistakes do not abrogate prior service, I agree. Besides, this present step, good as it is, is being over-hyped in typical national fashion. This hoopla and chest-thumping will die out soon, and everybody will get back to business as usual.

I agree, the story has garnered way too much attention than was due. Accountability is routine in any respectable institution, celebrating it like some sort of exceptionalism sets a very poor precedent for future investigations.

 

[The Sandman]

@Zibago @The Sandman @Moonlight @Shamain

What a tight slap to all those so called syasi LEEDRAAN who used to bark against army man of his words

 

[Icarus]

These man allowed smuggling through Balochistan during their tenure in FC. I still can't know who put rank of Lt Gen on Lt Gen Obaidullah for he was already known for having large cache of money transferred from Balochistan to Rawalpindi such black sheep cause long terms troubles for the Army and destroy few honest officers career

He wasn't proven guilty until that point so I guess there was nothing to disrupt his position until this conviction. I fully agree though, dishonesty cannot be tolerated in the slightest degree when the Armed Forces are at question.

 

[django]

What a tight slap to all those so called syasi LEEDRAAN who used to bark against army man of his words

Very well said, i hope our hapless politicians can take a leaf from the book of Gen Raheel.kudos

 

[Hell hound]

They've been stripped of all entitlements save for pension as per the news report, however, I guess we'll only know for sure when (and if) the ISPR releases details regarding the matter.



I have unfortunately had run-ins with the civil authorities twice. Once with the Police on the loss of my wallet where I had to buy the entire thanna lunch for my report to be registered. The fun part is, they never demanded a bribe as such, they merely said, Sir we had been waiting for you and missed our lunch so it is only natural that you buy us food now. I had to ask a friend who was with me to pay for their food but that was tolerable, I don't hold that to heart as such.

The worst experience I had was with excise when they impounded my car, everyone from the chowkidar to a grade 19 officer wanted a piece of the pie. The watchman told me that for Rs. 60,000, he could "forget" to close the gates and I could take my car away and get it registered in some other province.
And a grade 19 officer told me that my car will eventually rust away at the lot, so it would be in "my best interest" to accept his "generous" offer of Rs. 100,000 for my car and that I should quit pursuing the case and sign the vehicle into his ownership.




I agree, the story has garnered way too much attention than was due. Accountability is routine in any respectable institution, celebrating it like some sort of exceptionalism sets a very poor precedent for future investigations.

if you don't mind my asking can you tell me why was your car impounded? was it unregistered or was it applied for?
if it was applied for all you had to do is wait for the official document and then slap these f***ers and their fat bellies with it.

 

[iPhone]

Good step indeed. But I'd like to know what their actual corruption was and how did they go about it and how much money has their greed cost the nation.

Will that be made public, too or are their army rules that their illicit acts must not be made public. We also want to see accountability on Musharraf.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Leading by example. An exemplary move. The Army proves once again its the most responsible and accountable organization - which is why everyone stands by Armed Forces. Hats of to General Sharif for leading by EXAMPLE.

will the civvies learn? If this doesnt put pressure on Nawaz Sharif - who ran away to London for shopping trip - I dont know what will

 

[VCheng]

I agree, the story has garnered way too much attention than was due. Accountability is routine in any respectable institution, celebrating it like some sort of exceptionalism sets a very poor precedent for future investigations.

If only the ever-excitable over-hypers can take heed, Sir.