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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/05/world/asia/05waziristan.html

Pakistan Army Finds Taliban Tough to Root Out
Kuni Takahashi for The New York Times

Pakistani Army soldiers took positions at an observation post in South Waziristan in June.
By JANE PERLEZ and ERIC SCHMITT
Published: July 4, 2010


RAZMAK, Pakistan — On an operating table at a makeshift trauma center at this military base in North Waziristan, a Pakistani soldier lay anesthetized, blood-soaked bandages applied in the field just an hour earlier a testament to a near-fatal wound.

A Pakistani Frontier Corps soldier in South Waziristan, where the army is fighting militants.

The bullet through his neck from a Taliban militant had narrowly missed an artery, and after some minor surgery, the army medics declared the patient, Sepoy Aziz, out of danger.

In an offensive nearly two years old, the Pakistani Army has been fighting Taliban militants in the nation’s tribal areas and beyond, and like the United States across the border in Afghanistan, it is finding counterinsurgency warfare tougher, and more costly, than anticipated.

Months after declaring victory on several important fronts, including in South Waziristan and the Swat Valley, the army has been forced to reopen campaigns after militants seeped back in. True victory remains elusive. Soldiers like Sepoy Aziz — a sepoy is the rough equivalent of a private — are killed and wounded almost daily.

Much like the challenge facing American and NATO forces in Afghanistan, an absence of Pakistani civilian authority has made it nearly impossible to consolidate military gains. While eliminating some Pakistani Taliban insurgents, the long campaign has dispersed many other fighters, forcing the Pakistani Army in effect to chase them from one part of the tribal areas to another.

As the campaign drags on, the Pakistani military relies more and more on American-supplied F-16 fighter jets and Cobra helicopter gunships to bomb militants in areas of treacherous terrain, increasing civilian casualties, according to reporters and Pakistani officials in the tribal areas.

Many of the Pakistani Taliban fighters organize and rest here in North Waziristan under the protection of Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Afghan Taliban leader who runs a network of several thousand fighters of his own.

Allied with the Taliban and backed by Al Qaeda, the Haqqani group makes up a significant part of the insurgency in Afghanistan, too, and American officials have pressed the Pakistani Army for an offensive against them. But for now the brunt of the effort against Al Qaeda and the Haqqani fighters is borne by American drone strikes launched with Pakistan’s acquiescence.

The Pakistani Army says it is too overwhelmed tamping down the Taliban on other fronts in the tribal areas to take on a full-blown campaign in North Waziristan. There is truth to the Pakistani concern about being overstretched, American officials said.

But there are also deep suspicions that Pakistan’s military and intelligence service use Mr. Haqqani’s force to exert influence in Afghanistan, and keep India at bay.

The Pakistani Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has even offered to help broker a deal between the Haqqani group and the Afghan government as part of an Afghanistan peace settlement, according to Pakistani and American officials.

Meanwhile, more than 2,000 troops have been killed in the last two years fighting the Pakistani Taliban, the military says. In South Waziristan, Taliban fighters operating in groups of 4 to 15 regularly hit Pakistani soldiers, army officers said. The Taliban use classic guerrilla tactics — sniper fire, roadside bombs, ambushes — and their innate knowledge of the terrain to great advantage, they said.

“The terrorists have been raised here; they can find their way around blind,” said Maj. Shahzad Saleem, as small gunfire sounded around the hills near Nawazkot where Sepoy Aziz was shot.

More than 120,000 farmers, shopkeepers, women and children who were ordered to leave South Waziristan at the start of the offensive were expected to be back home by now. But the lands here remain devoid of any residents, and the fruit trees laden with summer apricots are untouched.

The civilians will be allowed back in stages, starting in about two weeks, and their return will be carried out under the guidance of the army, said Lt. Gen. Asif Yasin Malik, the commander of the army’s 11th Corps.

In other parts of the tribal areas to the north, and in the adjacent Swat Valley, which was reclaimed by the army from the Taliban last summer, the Pakistani Army faces similar problems.

Two parts of the tribal region that Pakistani Army commanders had said were secure, Bajaur and Mohmand, have come under renewed attacks from the militants in the past month.

The Taliban resurfaced in Bajaur, warning the few residents who had returned not to challenge them. In Mohmand, a border post was taken over by the Taliban after 60 Pakistani soldiers of the Frontier Corps ran out of ammunition — and nerve, according to a senior army commander — when several hundred militants operating from Afghanistan attacked.

The army has made the most gains in Swat, where bazaars are bustling and some tourist hotels have reopened. But few schools have been rebuilt, and residents complain of slow compensation for reconstruction of ruined homes. Taliban fighters have singled out for assassination key tribal leaders involved in negotiations in Swat for a more permanent political settlement.
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Civilian casualties have become harder to ignore. In April, the head of the army, General Kayani, in a rare statement of apology, acknowledged that more than 70 tribesmen had been killed after what he said were inadvertent aerial strikes against a house in Khyber belonging to a tribal elder loyal to the government.

A senior Pakistani military official said, “There have been no reports of large numbers of civilians who have become casualties.”

The Pakistani Army opened what it thought would be its final front against the Taliban in March when it deployed five army battalions backed by F-16 jets in an offensive in Orakzai, a part of the tribal areas that became a refuge for Taliban displaced by the campaign in South Waziristan. It has also become a critical staging ground for the Taliban and other militants groups to penetrate the adjacent Punjab Province.

In June, General Kayani visited Orakzai and congratulated the troops at what was reported as a victory ceremony. But since then Pakistani fighter jets, attack helicopters and artillery have continued to bomb Orakzai, causing civilian casualties in villages close to the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province, formerly the North-West Frontier Province, according to local residents.

“You can hear bombardments day and night from our house,” a prominent landowner in Hangu said.

According to the account of the landowner, who declined to be identified because of fear of repercussions from the military, seven women and children were killed in May during an air attack on the village of Shahu Khel.

“There had been firing between the militants and the army and the next day three helicopters were shelling the village,” the landowner said. “There was constant bombardment at about 4 p.m.” The bodies of three women and seven children were taken to the Civil Hospital in Hangu, he said.

According to reports that appeared in Pakistan’s leading English-language newspaper, Dawn, 226 civilians have been killed in the fighting and aerial bombardment in Orakzai since the campaign started in late March.

The United States is satisfied that Pakistan is using the American warplanes and helicopters in an appropriate manner, an American military spokesman said. Washington was pleased that General Kayani apologized for the deaths in Khyber, the spokesman said.

“In our view the Pakistani Air Force continues to make a concerted effort to minimize collateral damage and fully understand the impact these kinds of incidents can ultimately have on their counterinsurgency efforts,” he said.
 
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Pakistan Army Finds Taliban Tough to Root Out

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RAZMAK, Pakistan — On an operating table at a makeshift trauma center at this military base in North Waziristan, a Pakistani soldier lay anesthetized, blood-soaked bandages applied in the field just an hour earlier a testament to a near-fatal wound.

The bullet through his neck from a Taliban militant had narrowly missed an artery, and after some minor surgery, the army medics declared the patient, Sepoy Aziz, out of danger.

In an offensive nearly two years old, the Pakistani Army has been fighting Taliban militants in the nation’s tribal areas and beyond, and like the United States across the border in Afghanistan, it is finding counter
insurgency warfare tougher, and more costly, than anticipated.

Months after declaring victory on several important fronts, including in South Waziristan and the Swat Valley, the army has been forced to reopen campaigns after militants seeped back in. True victory remains elusive. Soldiers like Sepoy Aziz — a sepoy is the rough equivalent of a private — are killed and wounded almost daily.


Much like the challenge facing American and NATO forces in Afghanistan, an absence of Pakistani civilian authority has made it nearly impossible to consolidate military gains. While eliminating some Pakistani Taliban insurgents, the long campaign has dispersed many other fighters, forcing the Pakistani Army in effect to chase them from one part of the tribal areas to another.


As the campaign drags on, the Pakistani military relies more and more on American-supplied F-16 fighter jets and Cobra helicopter gunships to bomb militants in areas of treacherous terrain, increasing civilian casualties, according to reporters and Pakistani officials in the tribal areas.

Many of the Pakistani Taliban fighters organize and rest here in North Waziristan under the protection of Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Afghan Taliban leader who runs a network of several thousand fighters of his own.

Allied with the Taliban and backed by Al Qaeda, the Haqqani group makes up a significant part of the insurgency in Afghanistan, too, and American officials have pressed the Pakistani Army for an offensive against them. But for now the brunt of the effort against Al Qaeda and the Haqqani fighters is borne by American drone strikes launched with Pakistan’s acquiescence.

The Pakistani Army says it is too overwhelmed tamping down the Taliban on other fronts in the tribal areas to take on a full-blown campaign in North Waziristan. There is truth to the Pakistani concern about being overstretched, American officials said.

But there are also deep suspicions that Pakistan’s military and intelligence service use Mr. Haqqani’s force to exert influence in Afghanistan, and keep India at bay.

The Pakistani Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has even offered to help broker a deal between the Haqqani group and the Afghan government as part of an Afghanistan peace settlement, according to Pakistani and American officials.

Meanwhile, more than 2,000 troops have been killed in the last two years fighting the Pakistani Taliban, the military says. In South Waziristan, Taliban fighters operating in groups of 4 to 15 regularly hit Pakistani soldiers, army officers said. The Taliban use classic guerrilla tactics — sniper fire, roadside bombs, ambushes — and their innate knowledge of the terrain to great advantage, they said.

“The terrorists have been raised here; they can find their way around blind,” said Maj. Shahzad Saleem, as small gunfire sounded around the hills near Nawazkot where Sepoy Aziz was shot.


More than 120,000 farmers, shopkeepers, women and children who were ordered to leave South Waziristan at the start of the offensive were expected to be back home by now. But the lands here remain devoid of any residents, and the fruit trees laden with summer apricots are untouched.

The civilians will be allowed back in stages, starting in about two weeks, and their return will be carried out under the guidance of the army, said Lt. Gen. Asif Yasin Malik, the commander of the army’s 11th Corps.


In other parts of the tribal areas to the north, and in the adjacent Swat Valley, which was reclaimed by the army from the Taliban last summer, the Pakistani Army faces similar problems.

Two parts of the tribal region that Pakistani Army commanders had said were secure, Bajaur and Mohmand, have come under renewed attacks from the militants in the past month.

The Taliban resurfaced in Bajaur, warning the few residents who had returned not to challenge them. In Mohmand, a border post was taken over by the Taliban after 60 Pakistani soldiers of the Frontier Corps ran out of ammunition — and nerve, according to a senior army commander — when several hundred militants operating from Afghanistan attacked.


The army has made the most gains in Swat, where bazaars are bustling and some tourist hotels have reopened. But few schools have been rebuilt, and residents complain of slow compensation for reconstruction of ruined homes. Taliban fighters have singled out for assassination key tribal leaders involved in negotiations in Swat for a more permanent political settlement.


Civilian casualties have become harder to ignore. In April, the head of the army, General Kayani, in a rare statement of apology, acknowledged that more than 70 tribesmen had been killed after what he said were inadvertent aerial strikes against a house in Khyber belonging to a tribal elder loyal to the government.


A senior Pakistani military official said, “There have been no reports of large numbers of civilians who have become casualties.”

The Pakistani Army opened what it thought would be its final front against the Taliban in March when it deployed five army battalions backed by F-16 jets in an offensive in Orakzai, a part of the tribal areas that became a refuge for Taliban displaced by the campaign in South Waziristan. It has also become a critical staging ground for the Taliban and other militants groups to penetrate the adjacent Punjab Province.

In June, General Kayani visited Orakzai and congratulated the troops at what was reported as a victory ceremony. But since then Pakistani fighter jets, attack helicopters and artillery have continued to bomb Orakzai, causing civilian casualties in villages close to the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Province, formerly the North-West Frontier Province, according to local residents.

“You can hear bombardments day and night from our house,” a prominent landowner in Hangu said.

According to the account of the landowner, who declined to be identified because of fear of repercussions from the military, seven women and children were killed in May during an air attack on the village of Shahu Khel.

“There had been firing between the militants and the army and the next day three helicopters were shelling the village,” the landowner said. “There was constant bombardment at about 4 p.m.” The bodies of three women and seven children were taken to the Civil Hospital in Hangu, he said.


According to reports that appeared in Pakistan’s leading English-language newspaper, Dawn, 226 civilians have been killed in the fighting and aerial bombardment in Orakzai since the campaign started in late March.

The United States is satisfied that Pakistan is using the American warplanes and helicopters in an appropriate manner, an American military spokesman said. Washington was pleased that General Kayani apologized for the deaths in Khyber, the spokesman said.

“In our view the Pakistani Air Force continues to make a concerted effort to minimize collateral damage and fully understand the impact these kinds of incidents can ultimately have on their counterinsurgency efforts,” he said.


Pir Zubair Shah contributed reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan.
 
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i don't know why its complicated --even especially to western eye. When you have non-uniformed enemy; that all it has to do is hide weapons and brush & dust off his shoulder before blending perfectly in with locals ---- how do you stop them

it's a long-term fight.....and it isnt just a purely military fight. We know this already, and in such short period of time. Certain countries think only militarily you can win battles.

No sir, it doesnt work like that; especially guerilla warfare in rugged terrains like this. You need ALL the people on your side. And you get that through positive contribution and support towards such people.

Pakistan Army has been doing what civilian govt. has been failing to do. Of course BBC news and sources like that wont tell you such things :)


they also wont tell you that you need to do something called ''consolodating gains'' before moving on to next front....
 
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How it is tough as every country is against Taliban and helping or fighting with them. USA, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Pakistan everybody wants Taliban eliminated when Taliban don't have have any support or escape route or supplier how are they fighting????

Obviously somebody is not serious and making distinction like bad Taliban or good Taliban.
 
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yeah even the American policy makers are, on the quiet.....does it not make sense to have all stake-holders come to the table?

or does the status-quo seem sustainable to you? Some taleban fighters are there simply because they see it as national resistance. They are, after all, an occupied country lets not be in denial. Is it any different when soviets were there?

i think a pullout from Afghanistan would leave way for more ''conducive environment''.....it's important to learn the history of Afghanistan first, and its people
 
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How it is tough as every country is against Taliban and helping or fighting with them. USA, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Pakistan everybody wants Taliban eliminated when Taliban don't have have any support or escape route or supplier how are they fighting????

Obviously somebody is not serious and making distinction like bad Taliban or good Taliban.

Is it the same case in Kashmir? 6 decades, right?

The world's mightiest militaries with the latest gadgetry and tech have been fcuked dry by these thugs and you complain of Pakistan taking 'a bit' long, whereas you conveniently miss the fact that we have the highest success in the history of this fight against terrorism (rather any fight against terrorism).

Seriously, you people betray the 'sacrifices' that you soldiers have paid while they fight Nagas, Tamils and Freedom fighters in Kashmir when you turn a deaf ear to Pakistani success and jump in whenever you find a chance to malign our efforts and sincerity in this fight.
 
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Pak Army ix doing good job against the talibans.
and Inshallah they will get victory against talibans....
PAK ARMY XINDABAD:sniper:
 
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i think a pullout from Afghanistan would leave way for more ''conducive environment''.....it's important to learn the history of Afghanistan first, and its people

I think Pull out of Foreign Forces from Afghanistan will only be conducive if ALL countries pull out military support to all sides, refrain from proxy war, and let the Afghan government bring different afghan factions together to sort out the issues.
 
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Ask TTP of Swat and South Waziristan about Pak Army Capabilities and will power to root them out ?
 
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How it is tough as every country is against Taliban and helping or fighting with them. USA, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Pakistan everybody wants Taliban eliminated when Taliban don't have have any support or escape route or supplier how are they fighting????

Obviously somebody is not serious and making distinction like bad Taliban or good Taliban.

just tell me , Who annihilated half of Quetta Shura & who got hold of Mullah Bradar? :pop:
 
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How it is tough as every country is against Taliban and helping or fighting with them. USA, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Pakistan everybody wants Taliban eliminated when Taliban don't have have any support or escape route or supplier how are they fighting????

Obviously somebody is not serious and making distinction like bad Taliban or good Taliban.

Noone from outside is supporting the maoist rebels in India. How do you think they are fighting against the might of India ?
 
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Months after declaring victory on several important fronts, including in South Waziristan and the Swat Valley, the army has been forced to reopen campaigns after militants seeped back in. True victory remains elusive.

Ohh please....

Remember this:
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Obviously somebody is not serious and making distinction like bad Taliban or good Taliban.

:rolleyes:

Just like they are no Bahia's in Baluchistan...? :disagree:

It's easy to criticise the Pakistani effort, how about looking at the deliverables so far?
 
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This is a slow process as we do not work like others where they either bomb the whole place or just beat up everyone on site. The process requires carefully dismantling the network and then targeting the militants periodically. Direct action can only be taken in places where militants are caught by surprise but the militants never fight conventionally but rather in a cowardly manner by hiding or running away.

Funny how one poster mentioned that most of the worlds powerful armies are engaged with the Taliban and hinting that perhaps Pakistan is supporting some. If Pakistan was doing so then it would be very easy for others to catch us red handed. There are proxy wars but the main Taliban is acquiring weapons from weapon suppliers, finance from different terrorist supporting men and supply routes from their supporters in neighbouring countries who are being engaged too.

The post fighting period is the most important however, you need to rebuild, develop and economically elevate the area. Let's hope that the areas are cleared and things work out as planned.
 
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just tell me , Who annihilated half of Quetta Shura & who got hold of Mullah Bradar? :pop:

I have not named anyone in my post.

There is big fight going on there is no doubt about it. But, read my post again i said good Taliban or bad Taliban. Someone is killing some and sparing some other terrorists for the dream of controlling Afghanistan in future.
 
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Ohh please....

Remember this:
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:rolleyes:

Just like they are no Bahia's in Baluchistan...? :disagree:

It's easy to criticise the Pakistani effort, how about looking at the deliverables so far?


I'm not critising, my point is simple.

When you are doing some good work do it completely.

When you are fighting to save your country it will be good if you eliminate each and every terrorist. So that they can not harm you in future.
 
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