Pakistan Army contingent lands in Russia for joint exercise

[Rahil khan]

Found this video folks. Just skip to 1:37 from where real video begins.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

SSG did operate in Afghanistan however not on a grand scale, their may have been encounters with Spetsnaz but I cannot say for certainty as no such encounter was ever mentioned in "The Bear Trap" by Brig Mohammad Yousaf, if memory serves me correctly.Kudos

Discipline and patriotism at its best.Kudos sir

SSG/ISI volunteered for Afghanistan ops... mostly accompanying Mujahideen into battle... leading,planning ops and chosing targets.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I recall seeing a video of the INDRA exercises and the Russian officer was communicating with the Indian officer through a russian soldier who spoke english, just wondering in the Pak army do they have to learn how to speak english?

Most Pakistanis know English, most people in the army as well. I was surprised how bi-lingual our soldiers are when I lived in Sialkot Cantonment. An average soldier regardless of his ethnicity spoke English, Punjabi, Pashto and Urdu.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

The video mentions spetsnaz if im not wrong???
So is ssg training with spetsnaz?

Found this video folks. Just skip to 1:37 from where real video begins.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Maybe but I get the feeling it's not english

Soldiers are given foreign language training for the purpose. I've seen US soldiers speaking Hindi, Arabic, Chinese etc...

 

[XDescendantX]

Well we need to safe guard Euro Asia

China - Turkey - Pakistan - Russia - Central Asia

Don't forget our Persian brothers. They provide the quickest land route between Pakistan & Turkey.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

SSG/ISI volunteered for Afghanistan ops... mostly accompanying Mujahideen into battle... leading,planning ops and chosing targets.

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Pakistani Cammondos did fought Soviets in Afghanistan

@django

 

[Thetigerforces]

Most Pakistanis know English, most people in the army as well. I was surprised how bi-lingual our soldiers are when I lived in Sialkot Cantonment. An average soldier regardless of his ethnicity spoke English, Punjabi, Pashto and Urdu.

Must be from the legacy of the British Indian army. I dont think most Russian soldiers speak english though, so then it is most likely they did use a translator.

 

[ptldM3]

Pakistani Cammondos did fought Soviets in Afghanistan
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@django

Yes it's true that Pakistani special forces and spetsnaz clashed, but Pakistanis didn't far well, despite the propaganda. I also have family that was in that war including a KGB colonel so I may know a little more then you...

Back to topic, your article is the worst propaganda ever. The Soviets would just airlift its soldiers out if defeat was ever imminent and superior airpower and artillery would make it impossible that 3000 Paratroopers and Spetsnaz died. There were 39 Soviet paratroopers that fought up to 400 Pakistani special forces, the Russians came away with 6 killed, the Pakistanis with up to 250 killed.

There was 16 Russian special forces in Syria that battles 300+ jihadists armed with tanks, ATGMs, armored bulldozers, APCs and mortars and the Russian special forces suffered zero casualties.
Your claim is rededicolous, Russian clearly have better trained forces, more experience and more assets, so 3000 Spetsnaz dying is beyond stupid.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yes it's true that Pakistani special forces and spetsnaz clashed, but Pakistanis didn't far well, despite the propaganda. I also have family that was in that war including a KGB colonel so I may know a little more then you...

Back to topic, your article is the worst propaganda ever. The Soviets would just airlift its soldiers out if defeat was ever imminent and superior airpower and artillery would make it impossible that 3000 Paratroopers and Spetsnaz died. There were 39 Soviet paratroopers that fought up to 400 Pakistani special forces, the Russians came away with 6 killed, the Pakistanis with up to 250 killed.

There was 16 Russian special forces in Syria that battles 300+ jihadists armed with tanks, ATGMs, armored bulldozers, APCs and mortars and the Russian special forces suffered zero casualties.
Your claim is rededicolous, Russian clearly have better trained forces, more experience and more assets, so 3000 Spetsnaz dying is beyond stupid.

Any significant prove to back your claims ?

 

[ptldM3]

Any significant prove to back your claims ?

For me to prove that I had family in the Afghan war and a KGB colonel I would have to give you proof and personal information about myself and them and I'm simply not going to do that.


Here is an incouter with Pakistani special forces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Hill_3234

Here are those 16 special forces battling well armed, equipped and trained jihadists in Syria with zero losses.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/11/how-16-russian-special-forces-took-out-300-terrorists/


There are many other examples of Russian paratroopers or special forces taking out much larger forces. There was never a brigade of VDV paratroopers and Spetsnaz that was completely "whipped out". Even A brigade of Soviet conscripts would not get whipped out, if things really got bad they would just retreat under cover of artillery and airstrikes or just be evacuated by helicopters.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Yes it's true that Pakistani special forces and spetsnaz clashed, but Pakistanis didn't far well, despite the propaganda. I also have family that was in that war including a KGB colonel so I may know a little more then you...

Back to topic, your article is the worst propaganda ever. The Soviets would just airlift its soldiers out if defeat was ever imminent and superior airpower and artillery would make it impossible that 3000 Paratroopers and Spetsnaz died. There were 39 Soviet paratroopers that fought up to 400 Pakistani special forces, the Russians came away with 6 killed, the Pakistanis with up to 250 killed.

There was 16 Russian special forces in Syria that battles 300+ jihadists armed with tanks, ATGMs, armored bulldozers, APCs and mortars and the Russian special forces suffered zero casualties.
Your claim is rededicolous, Russian clearly have better trained forces, more experience and more assets, so 3000 Spetsnaz dying is beyond stupid.

That is actually a very large misconception blown way out of proportion.

It is a only a claim that the SSG participated in Hill 3234 and even if they did, they always served as officer roles guiding the Mujaheddin instead of direct combat. If the SSG participated in the battle, they would've number in less than a dozen and most likely suffered no casualties.

The attack goes against the doctrine that was advocated by PA which always dissuaded the Mujaheddin from frontal attacks, so it is unlikely if the PA was even involved.

No way in hell would the SSG send 400 men to secure a hill manned by 39 Soviet Paratroopers. It's common sense.

Here is an incouter with Pakistani special forces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Hill_3234

Your source says nothing about the Pakistani Special Forces except this part:

According to the Soviet estimates, the Mujahideen lost over 200 men. The Mujahideen wore black uniforms with rectangular black-yellow-red stripes.[1][11] It was claimed by several sources that the mujahideen were actually members of the commando unit of the Pakistan Army.[12][13][14][15]

The Mujahideen had units that work black uniforms and were also known as "Black Storks".
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/forb...nto-pakistan-during-soviet-afghan-war.208977/

 

[TMA]

Found this video folks. Just skip to 1:37 from where real video begins.

nice find!

 

[YeBeWarned]

For me to prove that I had family in the Afghan war and a KGB colonel I would have to give you proof and personal information about myself and them and I'm simply not going to do that.


Here is an incouter with Pakistani special forces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Hill_3234

Here are those 16 special forces battling well armed, equipped and trained jihadists in Syria with zero losses.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/11/how-16-russian-special-forces-took-out-300-terrorists/


There are many other examples of Russian paratroopers or special forces taking out much larger forces. There was never a brigade of VDV paratroopers and Spetsnaz that was completely "whipped out". Even A brigade of Soviet conscripts would not get whipped out, if things really got bad they would just retreat under cover of artillery and airstrikes or just be evacuated by helicopters.

Not a convincing proof ,but what's happen in past is history .. SSG and Spetsnaz are collaborating and doing joint exercise is present and thats what matters . both special forces have much to learn from each other experiences .

 

[ptldM3]

That is actually a very large misconception blown way out of proportion.

It is a only a claim that the SSG participated in Hill 3234 and even if they did, they always served as officer roles guiding the Mujaheddin instead of direct combat. If the SSG participated in the battle, they would've number in less than a dozen and most likely suffered no casualties.

The attack goes against the doctrine that was advocated by PA which always dissuaded the Mujaheddin from frontal attacks, so it is unlikely if the PA was even involved.

No way in hell would the SSG send 400 men to secure a hill manned by 39 Soviet Paratroopers. It's common sense.

Right, so the SSG would "likely suffer no casualties" yet many Pakistanis believe that SSG took out an entire brigade of VDV and Spetsnaz backed with artillery and airpower. If Pakistan dropped a nuclear weapon on those Soviet positions then it is plausible but that never happened.



A number of Soviet soldiers including Spetsnaz have admitted to clashes with Pakistani special forces during the Afghan war, Soviet forces even raided Pakistani compounds inside Pakistan.

Pakistani SSG would regularly fight amongst regular 'mujahadeen' and it wasn't difficult to identify them either spesnaz alway search dead bodies for identification including collecting body parts for processing. Some years ago I also read of a Spetsnaz accidentally crossing into Pakistan where they actually suffered some fairly bad losses but the Pakistanis didn't do well either.