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Pakistan army battles Taliban for strategic valley

I wouldn't say that. Tirah is going to be most difficult fight of this campaign. Dense jungles with rocky terrain make worst place for any army. This kind of terrain is even difficult for modern air reconnaissance. Drones will have hard time locating terorrists in dense jungle. I'm afraid it will be a bloody fight for Pak Army. PAF will likely support them with relentless bombing (they are already at it) but there are limits to aerial bombings. Our boys need all the support and prayers of the nation.
What you say has already happened in the first two weeks of the war ...at this stage ...Talebitches are in search of an escape route ...PAF is not effective there ....there is no doubt in that ...Burraq and Burq are ...!
 
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What you say has already happened in the first two weeks of the war ...at this stage ...Talebitches are in search of an escape route ...PAF is not effective there ....there is no doubt in that ...Burraq and Burq are ...!

Yesterday COAS was saying that we have encircled these talebitches from all sides in tirah valley and now they have nowhere to escape. I hope they will be completely annihilated there by our forces. And by the way do we have any threat from "ISIS"? as they claimed of killing three of our soldiers by a sniper fire yesterday or a day before yesterday.
 
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#PAF is not Effective their, #Buraq and #Burq will be more effective as the surveillance , they can also use Thermal Signatures even this is Dense Jungle or trees and Difficult terrain will not be a problem then. as Human being having temperature Signature that can be easily detected by these Thermo sensors.. and then can easily hit them hard...
Hope it will work
 
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Yesterday COAS was saying that we have encircled these talebitches from all sides in tirah valley and now they have nowhere to escape. I hope they will be completely annihilated there by our forces. And by the way do we have any threat from "ISIS"? as they claimed of killing three of our soldiers by a sniper fire yesterday or a day before yesterday.
There is no real ISIS in Pakistan .....stranded and weaken Taleban groups are claiming their allegiance to Baghdadi but there is no solid nexus ....ISIS is interested in Pakistan to do recruiting from ....they are short of manpower ...
 
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Have seen the aerial image of tirah valley. What i can say is best of luck pak army. Dont think any other army could have the guts to take up an offensive in such an inhospitable region.
So iwas wondering by encircling the area, we have managed to cut and block their communicaion/supply routes?
as of weapnry , if these dogs were inhibiting this area for a long time then they must have stashed enough there . Remember how much explosive material and weaponry was recovered from nw mira shah etc areas.explosive material itself was enough to carry out 5 ied blasts daily for 14 years.
See the jungles and forests part is almost like what indians are facing with regards to bodo rebels.

Can we fit hellfire missiles on burraq or some other missile with heat sensors on.
 
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According to the ISPR, approx 2000 militants have been killed and probably an equal number injured. That's 4000 out of commission! I wonder how many more are out there? Don't you think most of them have withdrawn to Afghanistan and biding their time to fight another day and that would be when the PA starts withdrawing after winding up ops in Tirah and adjoining areas?

Secondly, does anyone know what's being done to the militants captured and those killed? Are those captured being put in jails or better still, eliminated?

How about the ISIS? They're already arrived in Southern Afghanistan!
ISIS Movement in South of Afghanistan Confirmed +Video

A video released online Saturday purports to show militants from both Afghanistan and Pakistan pledging support to IS. A militant identified by the SITE intelligence group as former Pakistani Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid is then seen addressing the crowd to announce pledges of allegiance to ISIS from leaders of various groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What are the implications for Pakistan if the TTP join the ISIS? Some commanders already have. This situation is getting to be dangerous. The PA will need to now factor this threat into future planning. The ANA and the PA will need to coordinate their efforts on this one!
 
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Tirah also has some of Pakistan's most fertile land for marijuana and opium, which has helped militant groups fund their activities.

Can any "scholar" of these terrorists come on this forum or through a video explain to me how funding your "jihad" through drugs is halal? I want to see how these illiterates justify their actions.
 
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Can any "scholar" of these terrorists come on this forum or through a video explain to me how funding your "jihad" through drugs is halal? I want to see how these illiterates justify their actions.

What is even more amazing is Islamic scholars were backing TTP back in 2005. Imran Hossein sitting comfortably in Barbados wishing death and destruction on Pakistanis.

A great historian and theologist but a moron when it comes to geopolitics. I think Pakistanis have finally learnt to take what they say at face value. TTP completely lost its grass roots support after Zaid Hamid appeared on tv and set the narrative straight.

Mullahs are anarchists and lazy, they offer nothing to society and make for poor leaders. In a way TTP has helped to strengthen Pakistani nationalism.
 
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What is even more amazing is Islamic scholars were backing TTP back in 2005. Imran Hossein sitting comfortably in Barbados wishing death and destruction on Pakistanis.

A great historian and theologist but a moron when it comes to geopolitics. I think Pakistanis have finally learnt to take what they say at face value. TTP completely lost its grass roots support after Zaid Hamid appeared on tv and set the narrative straight.

Mullahs are anarchists and lazy, they offer nothing to society and make for poor leaders. In a way TTP has helped to strengthen Pakistani nationalism.
Should not we start eliminating mullahs, after all they are a living curse for Pakistan.

According to the ISPR, approx 2000 militants have been killed and probably an equal number injured. That's 4000 out of commission! I wonder how many more are out there? Don't you think most of them have withdrawn to Afghanistan and biding their time to fight another day and that would be when the PA starts withdrawing after winding up ops in Tirah and adjoining areas?

Secondly, does anyone know what's being done to the militants captured and those killed? Are those captured being put in jails or better still, eliminated?

How about the ISIS? They're already arrived in Southern Afghanistan!
ISIS Movement in South of Afghanistan Confirmed +Video

A video released online Saturday purports to show militants from both Afghanistan and Pakistan pledging support to IS. A militant identified by the SITE intelligence group as former Pakistani Taliban spokesman Shahidullah Shahid is then seen addressing the crowd to announce pledges of allegiance to ISIS from leaders of various groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What are the implications for Pakistan if the TTP join the ISIS? Some commanders already have. This situation is getting to be dangerous. The PA will need to now factor this threat into future planning. The ANA and the PA will need to coordinate their efforts on this one!
few days ago i heard a rumour that Afghanistan has allowed PA to conduct operations in Afghanistan. Not sure of its authenticity, but if this come out true then TTP has no place to tun now.
 
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TTP is opening front in Khyber to take pressure off from Tirah
 
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PESHAWAR: At least 20 terrorists have been killed in airstrikes carried out by security forces in Khyber tribal agency's Tirah valley, the military said Thursday morning.

According to the ISPR, the military's public relations wing, the airstrikes targeted terrorist hideouts in the militant infested Tirah valley.

The terrorist killed also included three suspected suicide bombers, said the ISPR.

A large cache of weapons and ammunition was also destroyed in the strikes, said the statement.


20 terrorists killed in Tirah valley airstrikes: ISPR | PAKISTAN - geo.tv
 
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Why Tirah is important for Taliban, military

ISLAMABAD: It is a scenic, but inaccessible and sparsely populated area, yet Tirah Valley holds enough strategic importance to be the site of a significant battle between the Lashkar-e-Islam extremist group and its Taliban cohorts on one side and the Pakistan Army on the other.

For the militants, Tirah Valley has served as a useful staging post because, until recently, there was no military presence on the ground there. For the government, controlling the valley means blocking a major passage for cross-border movement to and from Afghanistan, which would rob the Taliban of a major hideout and would allow Islamabad to convey its commitment to stopping cross-border terrorist activity to both Washington and its new allies in Kabul.

People familiar with the difficult terrain say that the militants easily cross the border into Afghanistan whenever the Pakistani military mounts pressure on them. Similarly, Afghanistan-based militants enter the valley using parts of Nangarhar’s Dur Baba and Nazyan districts.

This route between the two countries was also used by anti-Soviet fighters in Afghanistan during the 1980s, said one former commander of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Hizb-e-Isalmi Afghanistan. “Afghan jihadi groups would use Tirah Valley to transport arms using mules from Landi Kotal subdivision of Khyber Agency to fight the Soviets,” he told The Express Tribune on the condition of anonymity.

Neither Islamabad nor Kabul has been able to assert their writ over either side of the border in Tirah Valley, making it a useful area for militants to use as a conduit. This route had previously not been a problem because it had been controlled by the pro-government Ansar-ul-Islam militant group.

The Taliban, who usually avoid alliances with other militant groups, formed an alliance with the Lashkar-e-Islam, led by Mangal Bagh, to drive out the Ansar-ul-Islam from Tirah so that it could be used as a safe haven after the military drove them out from previous such havens in North and South Waziristan. The area is now used by both militant groups to expand their influence over other parts of the tribal districts as well as Peshawar.

“Militarily, Tirah Valley is the key for us and our presence there is important for our fighters,” Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan had said in a previous interview with The Express Tribune.

The importance of Tirah to the Taliban can be judged from their willingness to engage in a brutal battle against the Ansar-ul-Islam to take over the valley. The Taliban sent over its chief in the Mohmand Agency, Omar Khalid Khorasani, to lead their fighters in the valley. Khorasani was a replacement for Tariq Afridi, a former Taliban commander in Darra, who was killed in mysterious circumstances in September 2013.

Tirah’s strategic importance is that it has three entry points: to Orakzai agency, to Zakhakhel and to Bara, near Peshawar. These entry points make the valley difficult to control, which made the battle for Tirah especially bloody. The Ansar-ul-Islam held on for a while against the Taliban, supplemented by airpower from the Pakistan Air Force, but the army, which previously controlled some hilltops, was not able to move in to take advantage of the Ansar-ul-Islam’s ground presence in the valley itself before they were routed by the Taliban.

The ferocity of the fighting has resulted in a mass exodus of people from the valley, most of whom now live in refugee camps in other parts of the country. As a result of the virtual emptying of the valley, the government is now more willing to use airpower than in the past.

Tirah had also been a major hideout for Taliban militants fleeing military operations in Swat and other tribal regions. In 2010, a US spy aircraft fired missiles into Tirah valley and killed the most dangerous TTP Swat commander, Ibn-e-Amin, there along with some other militants. Ibn-e-Amin, an explosives expert, had been involved in reconciliation between the Taliban and the Lashkar-e-Islam.
Why Tirah is important for Taliban, military - The Express Tribune

Published in The Express Tribune, March 25th, 2015.
 
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Our civilian and military leadership has always maintained that a stable Pakistan is in the best interest of the region. No one can deny that terrorism has hit Pakistan hard and thousands of innocent Pakistanis have lost their lives in this war. It is an encouraging sign that the military operation has broken the back of the terrorists and stability is returning. We congratulate the Pakistani security forces on their success against the terrorists and we assure our support till complete peace is restored in the region.


Abdul Quddus
DET - U.S. Central Command
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