Pakistan Army Aviation Corps - Updated

[fatman17]

how many mil mi-35 Pakistan is obtaining

10-12 examples at best.

 

[nomi007]

front-line pic

@nomi007 can you please compare both T-129s & Mi-28NEs and post their pros & cons? and which one will be best for PA?

bro check it

 

[nomi007]

Klimov TV3-117
use in mil mi-8/17 & also in mi-35

General characteristics

• Type: Free-turbine Turboshaft
• Length: 2,055 mm (80.9 in)
• Diameter: 728 mm (28.7 in) (height)
• Dry weight: 294 kg (648 lb)

Components

• Compressor:

Performance

• Maximum power output: 1,640 kW (2,200 shp) (take-off)
• Overall pressure ratio: 9.4:1
• Air mass flow: 8.7 kg/s (19 lb/s) minimum
• Turbine inlet temperature: 920-990 C (Turbine entry temperature)
• Specific fuel consumption: 0.308 kg/kW/hr (0.507 lb/shp/hr)

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan Negotiating Mi-35 Purchases from Russia
June 13th, 2014
PAKISTAN IS moving ahead with plans to purchase Mi-35 Hind attack helicopters from Russia. Federal Minister for Defence, Khawaja Muhammad […]

 

[nomi007]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=546467835465405

MI-28NE ATTACK HELICOPTER.

Another option for Pakistan

 

[mosu]

I still think that Z-10 with local assembly is the best option.

We can easily sell them with US permission to Korea or Japan and also other countries like Spain, Turkey, Jordan, Bahrain and Thailand with US permission and acquire either Apaches, ATAK or Z-10s.

You are nishan u r back with new name

 

[Asena_Y]

I still think that Z-10 with local assembly is the best option.

We can easily sell them with US permission to Korea or Japan and also other countries like Spain, Turkey, Jordan, Bahrain and Thailand with US permission and acquire either Apaches, ATAK or Z-10s.

None of them would buy that chopper

 

[Shabi1]

The problem with Z-10 is that China has to meet its own requirements first so wont be available, the Chinese havnt offered it for export as well. The T-129 is only viable if Pakistan joins Turkey with a TOT as Turkey has its own requirements to meet first, only way the T-129 can be exported is if PAC Kamra gets involved and a second assembly line is started. Starting a new production line will take time but still a very viable option. The Turks have offered co-production so its a very good possibility. The third option is the Mi-28NE, it could be delivered earlier than the other options but is a true heavy Gunship so might cost more.

My guess is the Mi-35s are being inducted to compliment PAs Cobra fleet, so that hey are freed from escort duties. At the moment SSGs need a Cobra escort for insertions with Mi-17s and Bell-412s. Also the Mi-35 shares components with the Mi-17 so maintenance would be easier.

PA still hasnt finalized its Cobra replacement so the debate between Z-10, T-129 and Mi-28NE is still on. Perhaps a decision would be made once the Mi-35s have been fielded and Russia's commitment to establishing military relations are tested. If the Mi-35s are a success then PA should opt for Mi-28NEs to replace Cobras else the T-129 is the best option unless China is finally ready to offer the Z-10 for export.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

South African Upgrades of Mi 35 are alot better than basic Russian Ones ....there may be a chance of future upgrades from SA

 

[Shabi1]

South African Upgrades of Mi 35 are alot better than basic Russian Ones ....there may be a chance of future upgrades from SA

Procure used Mi-35s and have South Africa upgrade them. Good suggestion.
New builds will probably have the same features with quicker delivery. But I doubt they hill have the more powerful engines for the higher altitudes. One of the drawbacks of the Mi-28/35s Indian Army had in Kargil was they couldn't operate well at higher altitudes. Newer Mi-35s have better engines to fix this issue. Lets see what the brass in PA are going to do. Will have to wait and see.

 

[nomi007]

best image i ever see
by the way we are also purchasing mil mi-26

 

[Sulman Badshah]

View attachment 35091 best image i ever see
by the way we are also purchasing mil mi-26

It is good to see them in our Aviation ....

 

[khanboy007]

as the russian embargo has been lifted,so guys what do you say for a kamov ka-50 ?????

Kamov Ka-50 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

General characteristics

• Crew: One
• Length: 16.0 m (52 ft 6 in)
• Rotor diameter: 14.5 m (47 ft 7 in)
• Height: 4.93 m (16 ft 2 in)
• Disc area: 330.3 m² (3,555 ft²)
• Empty weight: 7,700 kg (17,000 lb)
• Loaded weight: 9,800 kg (21,600 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 10,800 kg (23,810 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Klimov TV3-117[48] turboshaft, 1,641 kW (2,200 shp) each

Performance

• Never exceed speed: 350 km/h (189 knots, 217 mph) in dive
• Maximum speed: 315 km/h (170 knots, 196 mph) in level flight
• Cruise speed: 270 km/h (146 knots, 168 mph)
• Range: 545 km (339 miles)
• Combat radius: 470 km (294 mi)
• Ferry range: 1,160 km (720 mi) with 4 drop tanks
• Service ceiling: 5,500 m (18,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 10 m/s (32.8 ft/s)
• Disc loading: 30 kg/m² (6 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 0.33 kW/kg (0.20 hp/lb)

Armament

• Guns: 1x mobile semi-rigid 30 mm Shipunov 2A42 cannon (460 rounds total, dual feeding AP or HE-Frag)
• Hardpoints: 6 with a capacity of 2,000 kg and provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Rockets: 80 x 80 mm S-8 rockets and 20 x 122 mm S-13 rocket,
  • Missiles: 2 x APU-6 Missile racks, able to accommodate a total of 12 9K121 Vikhr anti-tank missiles, Vympel R-73 (NATO: AA-11 Archer) air-to-air missiles, Kh-25 semi-active laser guided tactical air-to-ground missiles
  • Bombs: 4x 250 kg (550 lb) bombs or 2x 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs,
  • Other: 23 mm UPK-23-250 gun pods (240 rounds each), 500 L (130 US gal) external fuel tanks. Reportedly, twin Igla light air-to-air missile launchers under each wingtip countermeasure pod (total 4 missiles).[34]
• Two pods on the wingtips with flare and chaff countermeasure dispensers, 4 UV-26 dispensers each (total 512 chaff/flare cartridges in each pod)

 

[nomi007]

as the russian embargo has been lifted,so guys what do you say for a kamov ka-50 ?????

Kamov Ka-50 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

General characteristics

• Crew: One
• Length: 16.0 m (52 ft 6 in)
• Rotor diameter: 14.5 m (47 ft 7 in)
• Height: 4.93 m (16 ft 2 in)
• Disc area: 330.3 m² (3,555 ft²)
• Empty weight: 7,700 kg (17,000 lb)
• Loaded weight: 9,800 kg (21,600 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 10,800 kg (23,810 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Klimov TV3-117[48] turboshaft, 1,641 kW (2,200 shp) each

Performance

• Never exceed speed: 350 km/h (189 knots, 217 mph) in dive
• Maximum speed: 315 km/h (170 knots, 196 mph) in level flight
• Cruise speed: 270 km/h (146 knots, 168 mph)
• Range: 545 km (339 miles)
• Combat radius: 470 km (294 mi)
• Ferry range: 1,160 km (720 mi) with 4 drop tanks
• Service ceiling: 5,500 m (18,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 10 m/s (32.8 ft/s)
• Disc loading: 30 kg/m² (6 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 0.33 kW/kg (0.20 hp/lb)

Armament

• Guns: 1x mobile semi-rigid 30 mm Shipunov 2A42 cannon (460 rounds total, dual feeding AP or HE-Frag)
• Hardpoints: 6 with a capacity of 2,000 kg and provisions to carry combinations of:
  • Rockets: 80 x 80 mm S-8 rockets and 20 x 122 mm S-13 rocket,
  • Missiles: 2 x APU-6 Missile racks, able to accommodate a total of 12 9K121 Vikhr anti-tank missiles, Vympel R-73 (NATO: AA-11 Archer) air-to-air missiles, Kh-25 semi-active laser guided tactical air-to-ground missiles
  • Bombs: 4x 250 kg (550 lb) bombs or 2x 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs,
  • Other: 23 mm UPK-23-250 gun pods (240 rounds each), 500 L (130 US gal) external fuel tanks. Reportedly, twin Igla light air-to-air missile launchers under each wingtip countermeasure pod (total 4 missiles).[34]
• Two pods on the wingtips with flare and chaff countermeasure dispensers, 4 UV-26 dispensers each (total 512 chaff/flare cartridges in each pod)

russian embargo doesn't mean that they will offer us pakfa and ka-52

 

[DV RULES]

Most of members just shooting in the air over Russian technology, Russia may throw tuna hook and many will go to be caught but in my point of view it is good chance for Pakistan to develop trustful relations which could lead them to sophisticated military technology rather than looking over wish list.