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I did write years ago in the old pakistani defence forum that we have to buy the M-24 and upgrdae all our Tye-56 and Ak-47 Guns to counter the TTP in the urban and mountain warfare ....., now everything becomes real !
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I always feel its a bad choice either Mi28 or Mi35.... these are too bulky and extremely easy to target comparatively Cobra Gunships.. still hope for AH1z Super cobra's
PS: US lost its most reliable ally in the region ...
PS: US lost its most reliable ally in the region ...
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US Helis cant carry 10 SSG killer Soldiers !
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You can use old Cobra's for LIC you don't need completely new platform for LIC... if there is any issue regarding US supply of Super Cobra's than T129 is the best option. Russians Helis are too bulky and easy to target...
You want one single shot and you lost 10 SSG along with mutli million $ heli ?
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A regular gunship can only attack ground targets but the MI-35 can:
1. Fly CAS.
2. Drop soldiers and supplies.
3. Evacuate casualties.
It is thus a desired platform, as far as being hit goes, if a stinger is coming towards a heli, its going to hit, no second question but an RPG is just flying in a parabolic fashion and can easily be evaded, bulk becomes a very small detail at that moment, its about luck. Pakistan has lost both an Mi-17 and a Cobra to an RPG hit which shows that neither are immune to it as a threat, the advantages greatly outweigh the 5 odd feet by which the MI-35 presents a bigger target than the Cobra.
If you start calculating casualties by pulling them out of thin air then fighting a war is a far-off, you'll never take your family to have ice cream in your car.
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Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988)[edit]
The Mi-25 saw considerable use by the Iraqi Army during the long war against Iran.[21] Its heavy armament was a key factor in causing severe damage to Iranian ground forces during the war. However, the Mi-25s lacked an effective anti-tank capability, as they were only armed with obsolete 9M17 Skorpion missiles.[22] This led the Iraqis to develop new gunship tactics, with help from East German advisors. The Mi-25s would form "hunter-killer" teams with French-built Aérospatiale Gazelles, with the Mi-25s leading the attack and using their massive firepower to suppress Iranian air defenses, and the Gazelles using their HOT missiles to engage armoured fighting vehicles. These tactics proved effective in halting Iranian offensives, such as Operation Ramadan in July 1982.[22]
An Iraqi Mil Mi-25, brought down during the Iran–Iraq War, on display at a Military museum in Tehran.
This war also saw the only confirmed air-to-air helicopter battles in history with the Iraqi Mi-25s flying against Iranian AH-1J SeaCobras(supplied by the United States before the Iranian Revolution) on several separate occasions. Not long after Iraq's initial invasion of Iran, in November 1980 two Iranian SeaCobras crept up on two Mi-25s and hit them with TOW wire-guided antitank missiles. One Mi-25 went down immediately, the other was badly damaged and crashed before reaching base.[19][23] The Iranians pulled off a repeat performance on 24 April 1981, destroying two Mi-25s without incurring losses to themselves.[19]
The Iraqis hit back, claiming the destruction of a SeaCobra on 14 September 1983 (with YaKB machine gun), then three SeaCobras on 5 February 1984[23] and three more on 25 February 1984 (two with Falanga missiles, one with S-5 rockets).[19] After a lull in helicopter losses, each side lost a gunship on 13 February 1986.[19] Later, a Mi-25 claimed a SeaCobra shot down with YaKB gun on 16 February, and a SeaCobra claimed a Mi-25 shot down with rockets on 18 February.[19] The last engagement between the two types was on 22 May 1986, when Mi-25s shot down a SeaCobra. The final claim tally was 10 SeaCobras destroyed and 6 Mi-25s destroyed. The relatively small numbers and the inevitable disputes over actual kill numbers makes it unclear if one gunship had a real technical superiority over the other. Iraqi Mi-25s also claimed a total of 43 kills against other Iranian helicopters, such as Agusta-Bell UH-1 Hueys.[23]
In general, the Iraqi pilots liked the Mi-25, in particular for its high speed, long range, high versatility and large weapon load, but disliked the relatively ineffectual weapons and lack of agility.[22] The Mi-25 was also used by Iraq in chemical warfare against Iranians and Kurdish civilians in Halabja.[23]
a good analysis to compare seacobra which is better than our current cobras .
The Mi-25 saw considerable use by the Iraqi Army during the long war against Iran.[21] Its heavy armament was a key factor in causing severe damage to Iranian ground forces during the war. However, the Mi-25s lacked an effective anti-tank capability, as they were only armed with obsolete 9M17 Skorpion missiles.[22] This led the Iraqis to develop new gunship tactics, with help from East German advisors. The Mi-25s would form "hunter-killer" teams with French-built Aérospatiale Gazelles, with the Mi-25s leading the attack and using their massive firepower to suppress Iranian air defenses, and the Gazelles using their HOT missiles to engage armoured fighting vehicles. These tactics proved effective in halting Iranian offensives, such as Operation Ramadan in July 1982.[22]
An Iraqi Mil Mi-25, brought down during the Iran–Iraq War, on display at a Military museum in Tehran.
This war also saw the only confirmed air-to-air helicopter battles in history with the Iraqi Mi-25s flying against Iranian AH-1J SeaCobras(supplied by the United States before the Iranian Revolution) on several separate occasions. Not long after Iraq's initial invasion of Iran, in November 1980 two Iranian SeaCobras crept up on two Mi-25s and hit them with TOW wire-guided antitank missiles. One Mi-25 went down immediately, the other was badly damaged and crashed before reaching base.[19][23] The Iranians pulled off a repeat performance on 24 April 1981, destroying two Mi-25s without incurring losses to themselves.[19]
The Iraqis hit back, claiming the destruction of a SeaCobra on 14 September 1983 (with YaKB machine gun), then three SeaCobras on 5 February 1984[23] and three more on 25 February 1984 (two with Falanga missiles, one with S-5 rockets).[19] After a lull in helicopter losses, each side lost a gunship on 13 February 1986.[19] Later, a Mi-25 claimed a SeaCobra shot down with YaKB gun on 16 February, and a SeaCobra claimed a Mi-25 shot down with rockets on 18 February.[19] The last engagement between the two types was on 22 May 1986, when Mi-25s shot down a SeaCobra. The final claim tally was 10 SeaCobras destroyed and 6 Mi-25s destroyed. The relatively small numbers and the inevitable disputes over actual kill numbers makes it unclear if one gunship had a real technical superiority over the other. Iraqi Mi-25s also claimed a total of 43 kills against other Iranian helicopters, such as Agusta-Bell UH-1 Hueys.[23]
In general, the Iraqi pilots liked the Mi-25, in particular for its high speed, long range, high versatility and large weapon load, but disliked the relatively ineffectual weapons and lack of agility.[22] The Mi-25 was also used by Iraq in chemical warfare against Iranians and Kurdish civilians in Halabja.[23]
a good analysis to compare seacobra which is better than our current cobras .
Does India have this Mi35 or 24? Many countries operated oldest verion of Mi-24. US captured Mi-24 during Iraq war in 1991 and Iran captured it during Iraq-Iran.
Pretty useless helicopter in Tehran Museum
Afghan operate Mi-35 now?
The Mi-24 attack / transport helicopter is manufactured by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, based in Moscow, Russia. It entered service with the Soviet Union in the late 1970s, and more than 2,500 have been produced.
The Mi-24 has been deployed in a number of conflicts including Afghanistan and in Chechnya.
The original model (Nato codename Hind-A), designed to carry eight combat troops, was later reconfigured to take on the gunship role (Hind-D).
Later versions, Mi-24P and the export Mi-35P, are also armed with anti-tank missile systems for the engagement of moving armoured targets, weapon emplacements and slow-moving air targets. All versions retain the troop transport capability.
Hind helicopter international sales
The Mi-24 is in service with Russia and countries of the ex-Soviet Union and has been exported to Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bulgaria, Cuba, Czech Republic, East Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Iraq, the Ivory Coast, Libya, Mozambique, Nicaragua, North Korea, Peru, Poland, Vietnam and South Yemen. Ten Mi-35 helicopters were delivered by Russia to the Czech Republic in 2005/2006 as part of a debt repayment.
"Later versions of the Mi-24P are armed with anti-tank missile systems."
In 2005, ten Mi-35M helicopters were ordered by Venezuela. The first batch of four was delivered in July 2006, the second four in December 2006. Indonesia placed an order for six additional Mi-35s in late 2006. Deliveries are due to begin in July 2008. In October 2008, Brazil ordered 12 Mi-35M attack helicopters.
Mi-24P (Mi-25 and Mi-35) Hind Attack / Transport Helicopter, Russia
I bet, Pakistan Officals doesn't know more about Mi-24/Mi-35 history.
Pretty useless helicopter in Tehran Museum
Afghan operate Mi-35 now?
The Mi-24 attack / transport helicopter is manufactured by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, based in Moscow, Russia. It entered service with the Soviet Union in the late 1970s, and more than 2,500 have been produced.
The Mi-24 has been deployed in a number of conflicts including Afghanistan and in Chechnya.
The original model (Nato codename Hind-A), designed to carry eight combat troops, was later reconfigured to take on the gunship role (Hind-D).
Later versions, Mi-24P and the export Mi-35P, are also armed with anti-tank missile systems for the engagement of moving armoured targets, weapon emplacements and slow-moving air targets. All versions retain the troop transport capability.
Hind helicopter international sales
The Mi-24 is in service with Russia and countries of the ex-Soviet Union and has been exported to Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bulgaria, Cuba, Czech Republic, East Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Iraq, the Ivory Coast, Libya, Mozambique, Nicaragua, North Korea, Peru, Poland, Vietnam and South Yemen. Ten Mi-35 helicopters were delivered by Russia to the Czech Republic in 2005/2006 as part of a debt repayment.
"Later versions of the Mi-24P are armed with anti-tank missile systems."
In 2005, ten Mi-35M helicopters were ordered by Venezuela. The first batch of four was delivered in July 2006, the second four in December 2006. Indonesia placed an order for six additional Mi-35s in late 2006. Deliveries are due to begin in July 2008. In October 2008, Brazil ordered 12 Mi-35M attack helicopters.
Mi-24P (Mi-25 and Mi-35) Hind Attack / Transport Helicopter, Russia
I bet, Pakistan Officals doesn't know more about Mi-24/Mi-35 history.
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Multi-million dollar deals are not made on whim but have years of research and feasibility studies behind them.
Afghanistan's Mi-35
Hungarian Defence Forces, Air Mentor Team train Afghan pilots and gorund crew for Mi-35 attack helicopters in Kabul.
What's the point of Pakistan get same helicopters that Afghanistan and India already have?
Hungarian Defence Forces, Air Mentor Team train Afghan pilots and gorund crew for Mi-35 attack helicopters in Kabul.
What's the point of Pakistan get same helicopters that Afghanistan and India already have?
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Good thing is we had these atleast 2 mi24's operational but due to insufficient sources were retired. This makes me happy that there are still pak pilots from that retired mi24's that will train army faster for new mi35 we might soon see them in operations against ttp as soon as they are recieved.
All of sudden, Pakistan have huge money instead T-129 or Z10? I think, there is something wrong, please see pictures above I posted.
Babe, it is not end of the world, he will be back. Maybe he got banned due to arguments and wasting time with Indian trolls.
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