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Last Updated: Tuesday, 16 January 2007

Pakistan air raid on 'militants'

The Pakistani army says it has carried out air strikes on camps used by militants in the tribal area of South Waziristan near the Afghanistan border.
Army spokesman Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan said most of the 25-30 militants in the camps had been killed.

The army had used combat helicopters to attack the camps in the Zamzola area in South Waziristan, he said.

Much of the border region is outside government control and is believed to be a base for al-Qaeda and its leaders.

'Survivors'

The army carried out the operation in South Waziristan early on Tuesday after receiving information that militants were hiding in five mud-walled compounds, Maj Gen Sultan said.

"We believe most of them were killed, but we don't have a body count," he said.

He said the militants included some foreigners, but "no high-value target was believed to be there".

Eyewitnesses say 10 bodies have been dug up so far. Three of them have been identified as local Mahsud tribesmen.

At least six other bodies have been identified as those of Afghan nationals, administration officials in South Waziristan say.

Other bodies are unidentifiable as they have been so badly mutilated in the attack.

Witnesses say that between eight to 10 people appear to have survived the attack with injuries, but no other details are available at the moment.

The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says this kind of strike has become rare within the last year.

Previously the army had tried to clear al-Qaeda fugitives and other foreign fighters out of the lawless border area, but it encountered such stiff resistance from local tribesmen that it signed peace deals with them.

Tensions

The senior US commander in Afghanistan, Lt Gen Karl Eikenberry, said that "the enemy" was using both sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

"I'd also emphasise that we do have a challenge right now with command and control of the Taleban forces that has to be addressed," he told reporters in Kabul.

The general said that the number of cross-border attacks in that area last month was 200% higher than the same period a year ago. He did not give precise figures.

The Pakistani air strikes came hours after US Defence Secretary Robert Gates arrived in Kabul for talks with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Earlier this month Pakistan denied allegations made by the US National Intelligence Director, John Negroponte, that leaders of al-Qaeda had found a secure hideout in Pakistan from where they were re-building.

Islamabad signed controversial peace accords with militants in the semi-autonomous tribal areas of North Waziristan in September 2006 and in South Waziristan in April 2004.

The deals - intended to end violence between tribal militants and Pakistani troops - increased friction between Afghanistan and Pakistan, two key allies in the US-led "war on terror".

According to an International Crisis Group report earlier in December, Islamabad had allowed "a virtual mini Taleban-style state" to flourish on the border with Afghanistan.

The policy of "appeasement" had allowed militants to regroup and rearm and encouraged a surge in cross-border attacks in Afghanistan, the report said.

Pakistan rejected the accusations.

Analysts believe al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden could be hiding in the tribal areas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6265815.stm
 
What happened to Osama is dead?
 
We have cause to be worried. We are being forced to kill our own countrymen; even though they may be affiliated with Taiban, they are still Pakistanis. All the voices; including Robert Gates say it is not enough. How will all of it end??

There appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel in which we are being drawn. . Unless you are willing to kill them all, there will be suport for Taliban inside Pakistan because the Taliban are ethnic Pushtoons. No doubt we need to eliminate extremism; surely there must be another way, I wish I knew.
 
niaz a beautiful reply, They are affiliated with extremism, musharaff knows yet hes on tight rope.

its hard for him.but its for him pakistan is doing good.
 
We have cause to be worried. We are being forced to kill our own countrymen; even though they may be affiliated with Taiban, they are still Pakistanis. All the voices; including Robert Gates say it is not enough. How will all of it end??

There appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel in which we are being drawn. . Unless you are willing to kill them all, there will be suport for Taliban inside Pakistan because the Taliban are ethnic Pushtoons. No doubt we need to eliminate extremism; surely there must be another way, I wish I knew.

The only other way is to fence and mine the bloody border regardless what the US or UN says.
Deport all refugees back to where they came from and close all the camps. :coffee:
 
The only other way is to fence and mine the bloody border regardless what the US or UN says.
Deport all refugees back to where they came from and close all the camps. :coffee:

Also negotiate Taliban to disband and stop attacking the U.S forces and Afghanistan. There is no way they can win this fight.
 
Also negotiate Taliban to disband and stop attacking the U.S forces and Afghanistan. There is no way they can win this fight.

BBC news reported on an assault by 200 Royal Marines backed by Apache gunships attacking a Taliban Fort in which the last UK serviceman in Afghanistan died.

That force was forced to retreat in the face of overwhelmingly fierce fire power of the Taliban.

Given the record of such guerillas against the Soviet Union it would be unwise to dismiss them so easily.

They are in it to win it and zealous faith gives them a strong sense of conviction that they will succeed.

We are trying to solve a problem that has been harrassing Pakistan for decades so naturally it will not be easy and I admit freely that I do not have a clue as to how.
 
BBC news reported on an assault by 200 Royal Marines backed by Apache gunships attacking a Taliban Fort in which the last UK serviceman in Afghanistan died.

That force was forced to retreat in the face of overwhelmingly fierce fire power of the Taliban.

Given the record of such guerillas against the Soviet Union it would be unwise to dismiss them so easily.

They are in it to win it and zealous faith gives them a strong sense of conviction that they will succeed.

We are trying to solve a problem that has been harrassing Pakistan for decades so naturally it will not be easy and I admit freely that I do not have a clue as to how.

Link please
 
BBC news reported on an assault by 200 Royal Marines backed by Apache gunships attacking a Taliban Fort in which the last UK serviceman in Afghanistan died.

That force was forced to retreat in the face of overwhelmingly fierce fire power of the Taliban.

Given the record of such guerillas against the Soviet Union it would be unwise to dismiss them so easily.

They are in it to win it and zealous faith gives them a strong sense of conviction that they will succeed.

We are trying to solve a problem that has been harrassing Pakistan for decades so naturally it will not be easy and I admit freely that I do not have a clue as to how.

Fully agreed mate. They are fighting basically in the name of god, and they dont fear death. That is the reason why they are so successful in killing Pakistani forces whenever fighting errupted, and it is also one of the reasons why Pakistani forces have taken the role to use air strikes.
 
BBC news reported on an assault by 200 Royal Marines backed by Apache gunships attacking a Taliban Fort in which the last UK serviceman in Afghanistan died.

That force was forced to retreat in the face of overwhelmingly fierce fire power of the Taliban.

Given the record of such guerillas against the Soviet Union it would be unwise to dismiss them so easily.

They are in it to win it and zealous faith gives them a strong sense of conviction that they will succeed.

We are trying to solve a problem that has been harrassing Pakistan for decades so naturally it will not be easy and I admit freely that I do not have a clue as to how.

Link please



http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=89922007

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/17012007/140/flying-marines-heroic-rescue-bid.html
 
Also negotiate Taliban to disband and stop attacking the U.S forces and Afghanistan. There is no way they can win this fight.



The only thing that is going to get disbanded is the karzai regime.There is no way the americans and puppets can win this fight.
No matter what the pakistanis do the americans will never be happy until we are like them.
The afghanis are our brothers and the taliban is a para military wing of the pakistani army.
In the long run the islamic fighters will win.
 
The only other way is to fence and mine the bloody border regardless what the US or UN says.
Deport all refugees back to where they came from and close all the camps. :coffee:


Your babbling right wing rubbish.
 
Al Jazeera has obtained exclusive pictures of the aftermath of an airstrike by Pakistani forces which killed at least 10 people.
The footage shows an unexploded bomb that could not have been fired from the helicopter gunships that the Pakistani military said carried out the raid.
Pakistan's military said the airstrike on Tuesday targeted suspected al-Qaeda compounds but villagers in Zamzola said only civilians were killed.
http://imageshack.us

In Salamat Ghundi, another village, residents told Reuters news agency that an unmanned US drone aircraft carried out the attack.
"This is wrong. We have already denied it. This is usual that such things are said on such occasions but these are wrong," Shaukat Sultan, Pakistan's military spokesman, said on Friday.
Unexploded bomb

On Thursday, journalists, who were escorted to Zamzola by armed men, were shown an unexploded missile which was just under two metres long and marked 'MFP AMF YORK 0873'. Villagers said it was dropped during the airstrike but its casing appeared to be old and weathered.

"This attack was basically carried out with five missiles fired by a Predator. The helicopters came in later and attacked," Jalindar Khan Kikari, a villager, said.
Villagers said that only civilians had been killed
Another villager, called Bashir, said: "The missiles were fired from a distant place, maybe from a spy plane, but I did not see that," before going on to describe how Pakistani helicopters arrived minutes later.

Another villager, Mohammad Ali, told Reuters on the day of the attack that he had seen a drone circling overhead but a Reuters journalist saw helicopter gunships take off from the army base at Miranshah before the attack and return soon after.

The type of unexploded bomb shown to journalists would not have been dropped from an unmanned drone aircraft.

Pakistani intelligence officials, speaking anonymously, have said that up to 20 al-Qaeda fighters were killed but there were no troops on the ground to confirm it.
Local villagers have insisted that only civilians died.

"No foreigner or Afghan was killed in this attack. Only labourers from Mehsud and Salmanzai tribes were killed," Awaz Khan, whose son and nephew were killed, told Reuters.

Over the past year, people in the tribal areas have challenged the official version of attacks in their lands, frequently saying that the United States was involved. Verifying the circumstances of such incidents is extremely difficult
 
US involvement in Hamzola attack alleged




By Alamgir Bhitani

HAMZOLA (South Waziristan Agency), Jan 19: The attack on small compounds on Monday here was launched by US predators and not by the Pakistan army’s helicopter gunships, according to some residents of the area.

"Helicopter gunships struck these compounds about 15 minutes after unmanned air vehicles fired five missiles," tribesmen of Hamzola told a group of journalists from Peshawar and the tribal area, who were helped by the local Taliban to visit the area close to the Afghan border.

The residents also showed two unexploded missiles each weighing 500 pounds found at the site. They raised anti-Musharraf and anti-Bush slogans.

They said that at least five missiles had been fired from the unmanned air vehicles that had come from across the border. Later, the army helicopters appeared on the sky and fired a barrage of rockets on the cluster of mud-houses.

Army spokesman Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan said the army combat helicopters conducted the air strike on Hamzola, 65km north of Wana, the South Waziristan Agency headquarters, on Jan 16. He claimed that 25 to 30 militants, including foreigners, were killed in these hideouts.

But the residents of Hamzola denied the claim and contended that no foreigner was among the dead.

"They killed civilians, four belonging to Mahsud and five from Sulemanzai tribes," said a resident, adding that residential compounds had been targeted. He said that three out of five compounds were destroyed in the attack, which also left about eight people wounded.
http://www.dawn.com/2007/01/20/nat3.htm
 
If no militants were present then this act is shameful.

If there were then it is fully justified.
 
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