Pakistan Air Force to receive first 12 JF-17B combat aircraft ‘in near future’

[Zarvan]

The only air-cooled AESA in the running was the LETRI LKF601E. NRIET's KLJ7A that was being evaluated...wasn't air cooled. So either there was an air cooled variant of the KLJ7A also being tested this whole time and we just didn't know about it...or there is an error in the reporting bcuz PAF won't just select an air cooled KLJ7A without testing it first.

I hardly doubt there is an error in reporting

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I hardly doubt there is an error in reporting

@Cookie Monster
Yes, especially when he was invited to Kamra on invitation of PAF.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I hardly doubt there is an error in reporting

Then it only leaves the other possibility...that there was an air cooled version of KLJ7A that was being evaluated along with its liquid cool variant and LETRI's air cooled radar...but it was never mentioned in the news before.

 

[StormBreaker]

A JF-17B aircraft is pictured taxiing out for a test flight test from PAC Kamra in late January 2020. Source: Alan Warnes

Deliveries of the first 12 of 26 twin-seat JF-17B Thunder multirole combat aircraft on order for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) are expected to commence "in the near future", PAF officials have told Jane's .

Eight of these aircraft were built at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in Kamra, while the remaining four were constructed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) in China, where the aircraft type is known as the FC-1 Xiaolong.

The aircraft, several of which are equipped with aerial refuelling probes, had been rolled out at PAC Kamra in late December 2019 during a ceremony that was also attended by the PAF's Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan. Delivery of the remaining JF-17Bs is expected to be completed by 2021.

Speaking to Jane's on 20 January, ACM Khan explained that the JF-17Bs will help to streamline the PAF's training process for the Thunder. "The JF-17 pilots are currently being posted to Lockheed Martin F-16, Chengdu F-7PG or Dassault Mirage IIIEA ROSE aircraft before converting to the JF-17," he said. "But they will start going straight to a JF-17 OCU [operational conversion unit] after completing their advanced jet training." ACM Khan added that this "will ensure that pilots transitioning to the Sino-Pakistani jet are a lot younger than they are now".

The JF-17B prototype made its first flight in China in April 2017.

Meanwhile, the PAF revealed that after a lengthy evaluation the air-cooled Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar has been selected for the Block III variant of the JF-17/ FC-1 Xiaolong, the first prototype of which made its maiden flight on 17 December from CAIG's production facility at Chengdu-Huangtianba. PAC Kamra's newly appointed chairman, Air Marshal Syed Noman Ali, said a second Block III prototype will assist in May with the test and evaluation process.

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https://www.janes.com/article/94094...irst-12-jf-17b-combat-aircraft-in-near-future

Bhaijan, jinhon ne apko ye article dia hai, could you ask for full 508 words ? This is 336

@Deino Here you go man

 

[CHI RULES]

One thing people missing is that as both Chinese radars were manufactured with the intention of fitting in light weight jet so both are perhaps qualifier for fitting in and issues regarding cooling, power requirements already addressed. The critical point is radar overall capabilities, mainly range in A to A mode. The PL-15 probable BVR of JF17 is described having considerable range advantage over Indian BVRs especially on Rafael, however the Rafael certainly shall have superior radar range as well as defensive capabilities. In the end superior tech along with pilots expertise shall be under test.

 

[StormBreaker]

One thing people missing is that as both Chinese radars were manufactured with the intention of fitting in light weight jet so both are perhaps qualifier for fitting in and issues regarding cooling, power requirements already addressed. The critical point is radar overall capabilities, mainly range in A to A mode. The PL-15 probable BVR of JF17 is described having considerable range advantage over Indian BVRs especially on Rafael, however the Rafael certainly shall have superior radar range as well as defensive capabilities. In the end superior tech along with pilots expertise shall be under test.

I am sure Block 3 has lower RCS compared to Rafale

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The PL-15 probable BVR of JF17 is described having considerable range advantage over Indian BVRs especially on Rafael, however the Rafael certainly shall have superior radar range as well as defensive capabilities. In the end superior tech along with pilots expertise shall be under test.

Well some say that Meteor's NEZ is the largest of the all Air to Air Missiles

I am sure Block 3 has lower RCS compared to Rafale

No. I beleive Rafale's RCS is lower
@The Accountant

 

[denel]

Block 1s and 2s only have 7 Hardpoints. Block 3 will have a additional HP on the chin. So yeah, it is a light weight fighter. You can compare it with other light weight jets


@airomerix did hinted that our some Thunders did had AESA radars on 27 Feb and were busy jamming enemy's ground radars

no.... wrong. AESA does not perform jamming.

 

[StormBreaker]

Well some say that Meteor's NEZ is the largest of the all Air to Air Missiles


No. I beleive Rafale's RCS is lower
@The Accountant

No i don’t Believe that. Although the difference would be insignificant but the presence of canards on rafale gives edge to thunders on frontal RCS. Secondly, China has been busy more than anyone integrating composites and lowering RCS of it’s jets including JF-17

 

[PakFactor]

no.... wrong. AESA does not perform jamming.

@denel

Some say the F-35/22 AESA performs that role as well in think @MastanKhan said its capable of causing jamming.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Then it only leaves the other possibility...that there was an air cooled version of KLJ7A that was being evaluated along with its liquid cool variant and LETRI's air cooled radar...but it was never mentioned in the news before.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1225066712741171201

We've got two threads running on this, so posting here too in case this is where most of the radar discussion is taking place.

 

[denel]

@denel

Some say the F-35/22 AESA performs that role as well in think @MastanKhan said its capable of causing jamming.

no, it is not. It is hardened against EW not vice versa;

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

no, it is not. It is hardened against EW not vice versa;

What if switching some of the T/R modules to the EW unit...

 

[Fawad alam]

Delivery of the remaining JF-17Bs is expected to be completed by 2021.

It means the production of Block-III will start in late 2021 or 2022.

 

[airomerix]

You know whats really funny...

We've all been talking about the AESA Radar for the Block III for a long time now, and its revealed (officially) in a article which relates to the B-Variant.

Kinda like, "Oh by the way..."

@Hodor @airomerix

Lol.

B's are not to get the AESA as far as I know. It's just an article which talks about Block III and B variant both.