Pakistan Air Force pounds Haqqani insurgents.

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Actually they said elections are biased and they don't accept such procedure to elect government. It is against sharia according to their beliefs.

Then, as in Pakistan, there is nothing to be done except to destroy/kill all the Afghan Taliban and their supporters.

 

[Green Arrow]

Good. We need to crush all those who are using our soil for terror related purposes.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Who are the belligerents representing Afghan Pashtuns in the battlefield against Kabul govt and foreign forces?
Afghan Pashtuns are STILL not properly represented in the new govt and the entire ANA is basically Northern Alliance militia in uniform. Whether you like it or not, the Haqqanis, Hizb-e-Islami and Mullah Omar has genuine support from Afghan Pashtuns. We cannot antagonize them too much since they are already marginalized from Kabul. We need to find a political solution to this problem on top of force application if and when its the last resort. America is going to leave, we are here for ever. We need to think ahead not by 10 years but by a 100. Pissing off Afghan Pashtuns beyond a certain limit is going to be last thing we can afford.

@Hyperion @farhan_9909 > Carry on

I am also worried... I think Gen kayanis policy was better for Pakistan vis a vis Afghanistan.... What exactly is Gen Raheel Sharif wanting to do?does he really think...after this... US will be happy with pakistan? What lollipop does he want in return from US? Because US is not going to give anything more than a lollipop to Pak... US is strengthening relations with India... I think last few years hav been able to proof tht us will never be a reliable partnr to Pak..and here we are overlooking our own interests in Afghanistan for US sake.. Why? Has US given us Mullah fazlullah in return? NO...then why And here we are making more enemies in Afghanistan, esp those who havent done anything against Pak and can be our support against Indian influence in Afghanistan... Is Gen Raheel Sharif again making the same old mistake..bending too much towards US ? But why? Still not ready to learn from recent past?

 

[Burhan Wani]

Their operational network is not under mullah omar's Taliban, they operate and act independently, though they are nominally part of Quetta Shura. Strictly speaking, they are not even Taliban, their history dates back to 70s. As for as i know, haqqani network is quite careless about attacks on civilians compared to traditional taliban. In Afghanistan, they are known for being agents of ISI, they are not wrong in assuming that.

So if they are ISI agents that means Musharaff's strategy worked. Isn't it?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM - @Irfan Baloch

They still won't shut up though boys.

it is called frustration and mourning . the louder and more obnoxious their rants become the more pathetic and desperate they will look as if there is no tomorrow for them.

they will burn themselves out by overclocking their rants and will never be missed

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I am also worried... I think Gen kayanis policy was better for Pakistan vis a vis Afghanistan.... What exactly is Gen Raheel Sharif wanting to do?does he really think...after this... US will be happy with pakistan?

this fight is not about Afghanistan or USA. what business do these Afghan, Uzbek, Arab, Chechen and African fighters have in our restive tribal ares? why are they there? who is letting them stay where when even our peaceful local tribesmen see their loved ones being beheaded their women violated and their properties ransacked and destroyed by the TTP?

all these foreign terrorists are cousins and allies of TTP and share resources, personnel and provide shelter to each other we can kid ourselves that for now some foreign terrorists might not attack us directly but that will change any time, take back to back examples of Uzbek terrorist attacks on Quetta and Karachi airports for an example. and then why forget the executions and beheaded corpses (of FC personnel) being dumped somewhere inside Afghanistan? who rules the Afghan badlands? hmm?

we need to get our head out of the sand. yes we dont care about Afghan fight within Afghanistan among themselves but we do care when they bring that fight to our land and also facilitate or turn a blind eye to those who execute our men inside Afghanistan,.


so in short my dear, we are fighting this war for the sake of the state of Pakistan. if it pleases the Americans or Afghan regime then so be it. our strikes and our actions are independent of that and will continue even when such operations are no longer in the interests of Afghans or Americans

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir,

Allow me please-----I would like to give it a twist---a nation must be able to make deals with these people---but it needs to learn to turn on a dime in a different direction in an instant..

cant help but praise this phrase but I am also reminded of this scene from Pulp fiction

 

[Kompromat]

Just hypothetically, what will happen if we were to antagonize Afghan Pushtuns?

Afghan Pashtun population has been getting slaughtered for 3 decades. They deserve peace. No, they can't pose a threat to us if we do antagonise them, however my main concern is that if we push them further into the wall and isolate them it won't be good for Pakistan.

As @AgNoStiC MuSliM pointed out that the worse case scenario would be the fall of Ghani govt and a take over by Taliban. That is a correct assessment. My only difference with brother agno is not the purpose but the method.

We need to keep Ghani govt strong, cooperate with them and target its enemies if he's willing to do the same with TTP. We can't convince Taliban to lay arms and become statesmen. We can however strech them to a point when that option starts to look attractive. This is precisely why i meant that we need to take very carefully planned steps against Afghan groups.

Now foreign forces are leaving, they too need to re think their future for the sake of Afghan people.

 

[waz]

Oh well, they shouldn't have hid the TTP among their ranks. Gul and others swore to make the TTP and their foreign fighters leave, instead they turned a blind eye, and in some cases offered support.

Militant groups are a liability period. No state in their right mind would nurture such people on their own soil. It's high time to get rid of the lot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

gesture for a gesture.....they are helping attack TTP terrorists which are backed by indian and segments within the afghan intel.

they did miss Fazlullah though, so until that happens i will be more convinced

 

[tarrar]

I hope in time all of this proves right for Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As @AgNoStiC MuSliM pointed out that the worse case scenario would be the fall of Ghani govt and a take over by Taliban. That is a correct assessment. My only difference with brother agno is not the purpose but the method.

We need to keep Ghani govt strong, cooperate with them and target its enemies if he's willing to do the same with TTP. We can't convince Taliban to lay arms and become statesmen. We can however strech them to a point when that option starts to look attractive. This is precisely why i meant that we need to take very carefully planned steps against Afghan groups.

A continuation by Ghani of the Karzai policy of supporting the TTP and associated groups carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan will lay the foundation for the failure of his government. Pakistan had decades of experience with the Taliban and yet was unable to contain the blow-back and prevent the morphing and spread of a religo-nationalist Afghan Taliban movement into the monster that the TTP and various associated Pakistani and Afghan groups are - the Afghan's, with a fraction of the resources and institutional strength that Pakistan has, stand absolutely no chance of being able to control the TTP. In essence, an inability/refusal by the Ghani government to address the issue of TTP safe-havens in Afghanistan almost guarantees an unstable Afghanistan, which in turn feeds into the Pakistani concerns I mentioned in my earlier post.

However, while I understand your argument that Pakistan's policies should take into account action/inaction by the Ghani government against the TTP, I would argue that Pakistan still has to act militarily against ALL Taliban and associated groups (Afghan or Pakistani) operating from her territory for her own sake. Yes, the task becomes a lot harder if Ghani refuses to understand that Afghan stability will be compromised if he does not take action against the TTP in Afghanistan, but as the past decade has shown, the destruction and damage suffered by Pakistan as a result of inaction against the Afghan Taliban exceeds the potential cost of an alliance between the Afghan Taliban and TTP.

Therefore, irrespective of whether the Ghani government cooperates, Pakistan must continue with her current policy of driving out all Taliban groups operating in FATA, Afghan or Pakistani - the alternate policy was tried for a decade and brought misery and ruin to Pakistan.