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[fatman17]

Agree but we atill have too many fighters to replace 60 pg and same nos mirages 120 more jf 17s??

These 180 will not be replaced one for one. Replacement may be around 90 because of the superior nature of the JFT.

 

[mingle]

Depends on the pilot skills

Yeh @fatman17 but it's an old design very less room for upgrades passed her generation.

 

[fatman17]

It might be we only have jf 17s and f-16s in 2030
Which seems very unlikely
But i dont see project azm will be able to give a 5th generation by then..

Don't underestimate project azm, it's a major priority.

 

[fatman17]

Yeah i agree, do you think the design that was painted on tail of our c 130 recently has anything to do with project azm??

Someone's imagination running wild.

 

[fatman17]

Yeh @fatman17 but it's an old design very less room for upgrades passed her generation.

Agreed completely

 

[ziaulislam]

These 180 will not be replaced one for one. Replacement may be around 90 because of the superior nature of the JFT.

and higher operational capacity at any given time...
yet PAF should get more fighters..
if we learn anything form feb, its that airforce will be the key for any future conflict, the make or break thing

 

[mingle]

and higher operational capacity at any given time...
yet PAF should get more fighters..
if we learn anything form feb, its that airforce will be the key for any future conflict, the make or break thing

I believe we need Atleast 500 to 600 jets half the size of IAF Atleast.

 

[ziaulislam]

I believe we need Atleast 500 to 600 jets half the size of IAF Atleast.

getting 400 will be a miracle ! by 2025 PAF will have 180 jf-17 And ??f16s~76= 250 that really counts, which is about 100 short from what PAF needs to be(350+50 odd mirage5)..

i think PAF needs to work hard on getting an approval for used f16s...
seems the only possible choice ..i was expecting alot more after jordan deal but guess didnt worked out..
one possibility does exist if italy ends up giving a good deal on typhoons ..Italy is trying to pitch on older ones in europe at the same price as used f16s but associated cost , approval from member states and upgrades are too expensive

other option is more j10s on loans but i would rather wait and see if we can get a 5th gen fighter from china rather than j10..

 

[mingle]

getting 400 will be a miracle ! by 2025 PAF will have 180 jf-17 And ??f16s~76= 250 that really counts, which is about 100 short from what PAF needs to be(350+50 odd mirage5)..

i think PAF needs to work hard on getting an approval for used f16s...
seems the only possible choice ..i was expecting alot more after jordan deal but guess didnt worked out..
one possibility does exist if italy ends up giving a good deal on typhoons ..Italy is trying to pitch on older ones in europe at the same price as used f16s but associated cost , approval from member states and upgrades are too expensive

other option is more j10s on loans but i would rather wait and see if we can get a 5th gen fighter from china rather than j10..

Well to fight india we need Atleast 1-2 ratio I mean long war short war is different story but we should go J10 and effort for used F16s as many as we can.

 

[ziaulislam]

Well to fight india we need Atleast 1-2 ratio I mean long war short war is different story but we should go J10 and effort for used F16s as many as we can.

gap is 100 figters(assuming we keep 60ish mirages flying till 2030-2033 and wait for fifth gen to replace them)

that 100 fighters can be filled by mix of thunders, f16s ideally if we get an approval ..if not PAF will have to see what else it can do..j10s?

 

[mingle]

gap is 100 figters(assuming we keep 60ish mirages flying till 2030-2033 and wait for fifth gen to replace them)

that 100 fighters can be filled by mix of thunders, f16s ideally if we get an approval ..if not PAF will have to see what else it can do..j10s?

Air Cheif met IK today I believe it's all about new planes or used one and more AIM 120 s along PL15s

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

more j10s on loans but i would rather wait and see if we can get a 5th gen fighter from china rather than j10..

Uhm..what? Since when did PAF have any j10s?

 

[MystryMan]

I believe we need Atleast 500 to 600 jets half the size of IAF Atleast.

more likely 400-450 at max.
100-120 F-16 (If we able to get blk72 +used)
~200 JF-17
~100 M3/M5+ some PGs (maybe).
If we get some J-10 that would be bonus.

 

[mingle]

more likely 400-450 at max.
100-120 F-16 (If we able to get blk72 +used)
~200 JF-17
~100 M3/M5+ some PGs (maybe).
If we get some J-10 that would be bonus.

I agree but I talking against India in long war scenario we need some jetts at reserves.

 

[ziaulislam]

more likely 400-450 at max.
100-120 F-16 (If we able to get blk72 +used)
~200 JF-17
~100 M3/M5+ some PGs (maybe).
If we get some J-10 that would be bonus.

well thats the problem..those 50+ f16s...we aint getting any..cant count the chickens before they hatch
200 jf17 is plausible but with rate we are building them getting to 200 before 2025 will be challenging
rest 100 M3/M5 are more like 60 aircrafts due to their low operatabilty

PGs had 2000hr life frame..we are probably going to be pushing them beyond 2020