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Will Malaysia Buy Pakistan’s JF-17 Fighter Jet?

Pakistan has been in “primary talks” with Malaysia over the procurement of the JF-17 fighter jet.


By Franz-Stefan Gady
April 17, 2018



Pakistan and Malaysia are purportedly engaged in preliminary talks over the possible procurement of an unknown number of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 “Thunder” multirole fighter jets, a PAC official told IHS Jane’s at the Defense Services Asia (DSA) 2018 exhibition in Kuala Lumpur on April 16.

“We are aware of the potential requirements in Malaysia for cost-effective fighter aircraft,” the PAC official said. “There have been no serious talks but through government-to-government channels there have been what we can describe as primary level talks about the JF-17 program.”

Malaysia purportedly expressed interested in the JF-17 in 2015. However, reports that the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) was considering purchasing the aircraft were quickly publicly denied by the Malaysian defense ministry at the time.


The RMAF initially intended to procure 18 new fighter jets to replace aging Mig-29 combat aircraft and supplement its fleet of twin-engine F/A-18D and Su-30MKM fighter jets. However, the acquisition program was shelved due to budgetary constraints in 2017.

Instead, the RMAF has reportedly been considering cheaper lightweight multirole fighters with a number of countries already positioning themselves for a future competitive bidding process. Next to Sweden’s JAS-39C/D Gripen, China’s J-10, and Russia’s Mig-35, the JF-17 would likely be the cheapest option for the RMAF.

The production of the JF-17 has been split up into three blocks: Block I, Block II, and Block III. Malaysia would receive the Block III variant of the aircraft with production slated to kick off in 2019. (50 Block I and 50 Block II aircraft have been produced so far with 12 more of the latter to be rolled out in 2018.)

The JF-17’s most advanced variant will feature various upgrades in comparison to the earlier versions “including Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, which will replace the older Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technologies’ (NRIET) KLJ-7 X-band fire control radar, and a new electronic warfare system, among other things,” I summarized in 2017.

“Powered by a Russian designed but Chinese license-built Klimov RD-93 (a RD-33 derivative) turbofan engine, [the JF-17] can reportedly reach a top speed of up to Mach 1.6 and has an operational range of up to 1,200 kilometers without refueling,” I explained in previously. The fighter jet, featuring seven hardpoints, can be armed with a variety of weapons including air-to-air, air-to-surface, and anti-ship missiles.

What perhaps could make the JF-17 particularly attractive to the RMAF is that its engine is also in use in the Mig-29 and for which the service already has repair and maintenance facilities in place. This would further reduce overall operational cost of the new aircraft for the cash-strapped Malaysian military.
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The controller in this mission later became sector commander north and then ACAS AD , at that time ACAS AD was highest position for anyone in AD branch.
Unfortunately pilot became medically unfit and had to retire at the rank of squadron leader even though he is one of the best fighter pilots the world has ever seen.....they called him "BADER" after Douglas Bader...
 
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Unfortunately pilot became medically unfit and had to retire at the rank of squadron leader even though he is one of the best fighter pilots the world has ever seen.....they called him "BADER" after Douglas Bader...
By choice or was he was medically unable to continue in any role ?
 
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Biggest news if it goes through. This would really be a big sale for PAF and JFT. Presumably this would be block3. An off the cuff point to consider, if this is a preliminary discussion then the official should have kept quiet at this stage. We have had so many starts and interests that dont go anywhere so no news should be leaked unless a contract is to be signed imminently.
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While I enjoy digging out info from defence.pk, which gives a LOT of information if you know what and where to look, I do feel you are right on the money about giving away such information.
 
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Tand report on USAF _ PAF relationship :

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2107.html

  • The USAF and U.S. policymakers should understand the limits of U.S., and particularly USAF, leverage over Pakistan's choices.
  • The USAF and U.S. interlocutors should calibrate Pakistan's expectations about what is politically feasible in the United States. They should also recognize the impact of the tone of rhetoric by members of the U.S. policy community.
  • Subject always to changing geopolitical circumstances, the United States should continue to approve maintenance, training, and support for existing Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s, and be wary of calls to forgo (or accelerate) future transfers.
  • The USAF should offer the opportunity for PAF to send a select officer to serve as an instructor at a USAF school.
  • The United States should — to the extent possible without jeopardizing its relationship with India — consider sales of technical systems that support improved collaboration in areas of shared interests, such as counterterrorism or counterinsurgency missions.
Well worth the read as usual with Rand Corp.

@Oscar @Joe Shearer @AUSTERLITZ @Indus Falcon @Zarvan @Solomon2 @Windjammer @member.exe

Think, Tay.
 
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How about exchange programs like pilot exchange plus a US IP at Risalpur


It should be beneficial for both parties.
US culture last 30 yrs changed alot so I do not see any issues over these programs.
 
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Tand report on USAF _ PAF relationship :

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2107.html

  • The USAF and U.S. policymakers should understand the limits of U.S., and particularly USAF, leverage over Pakistan's choices.
  • The USAF and U.S. interlocutors should calibrate Pakistan's expectations about what is politically feasible in the United States. They should also recognize the impact of the tone of rhetoric by members of the U.S. policy community.
  • Subject always to changing geopolitical circumstances, the United States should continue to approve maintenance, training, and support for existing Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16s, and be wary of calls to forgo (or accelerate) future transfers.
  • The USAF should offer the opportunity for PAF to send a select officer to serve as an instructor at a USAF school.
  • The United States should — to the extent possible without jeopardizing its relationship with India — consider sales of technical systems that support improved collaboration in areas of shared interests, such as counterterrorism or counterinsurgency missions.
Well worth the read as usual with Rand Corp.

@Oscar @Joe Shearer @AUSTERLITZ @Indus Falcon @Zarvan @Solomon2 @Windjammer

Think, Tay.

On target, as usual. However, it depends on the point of view. From the point of view of a superpower that used Pakistan and failed to retain her loyalty or her allegiance, it is understandable. There is nothing to gain by sustained hostility, and possibly everything to lose, there is something - not much, but better than nothing - to gain by retaining a civil relationship and maintaining what has been supplied and sold already.

As I said, that is from the American point of view.

From another point of view, the PAF is Pakistan's most efficient service, but at the moment brought to dangerous straits by strategic mistakes (@MastanKhan may not be entirely right, but he is not entirely wrong) and difficult economic conditions.

Out of the 530 fighter, interceptor, attack and reconnaisance aircraft remaining, the F 16 constitutes 85, and the bulk of the remainder is Mirages (165) and JF 17s (100). This service is vulnerable, less so than their Navy, but vulnerable nevertheless.

Apart from the Americans, nobody else has a stake in maintaining their F 16 inventory, least of all the Chinese, who will wish for a reduction of the 530 to aircraft sourced from China exclusively. The Russians too want that vacuum that might result to be filled by them; their aircraft programme desperately needs partners to complete it, partners on an unrealistic basis that could have been achieved even a decade or more ago, but one that is completely untenable today. Their game plan is to earn enough from the exports of their models that are up and running to pay for the models under development. So, nobody but the Pakistanis and the American need the F 16 to be nurtured.

These are the two principals. The rest will wait upon events.
 
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While I enjoy digging out info from defence.pk, which gives a LOT of information if you know what and where to look, I do feel you are right on the money about giving away such information.

Hi,

This is the first BIG ticket item that Pakistan's defense industry has to sell---and they have been clueless how to approach it.

For that very reason---there has been a lots of interests---but not major bites---.

The reason being---if the BLK1 was not satisfactory for the mother country---it is not satisfactory for the end user---.

If BLK2 needs to get some twerks---then again---it is still not good enough for the end user either----.

This is not a 70's / 80/s market---where you could sell your inferior product---.

Buyers nowadays want fully loaded equipment---even though they may not have their usage----because the top tier equipment gives the operator a massive edge---that may not be compensated with just a pilot alone---.

Next---this kind of interest is normal from curious / interested parties---.

It is easier dealing with Pakistan than with other nations. They have their eyes on the SD10 and PL15 and CM400AKG, AESA at the minimum---.

The 2 seater will break the sound barrier---.
 
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