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If it has weapon and it has been integrated I guess it has other relevant upgrades required to operate that weapon.


not just that but for CAS. Have these armed with laser weapon would mean PAF will not have to use main assets for CAS.

Laser guided BURQ will come real handy against enemy tanks or artillery or other formation.

I was talking solely about the heat seeking side-winders.

Typical effective LGBs are in the 500 lb, 1000 lb, and 2000 lb category. Highly unlikely to be seen on SM.
 
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Wing Commander Nouman Ali Khan looks like he commands the new No.29 Aggressors, and I believe it provided the F16 element in the Feb 27 shootdown.

Either Sqd Ldr Hassan Siddiqi was a Thunder Driver at WVR or he was also alongwith the Aggressors on F16. That takes us closer to what may have happened.

JF17s from the CCS or TailChoppers involved in luring in the IAF CAP after strikes on 6 targets, deployed chaff and dropped altitude, thus IAF CAP lost it's signatures and got confused. Ripetime.

Meanwhile the F16 CAP with WgCdr Noman and wingman SqdLdr Hassan await the IAF jets, both locking on and taking shots.

Sqd Ldr Hassan getting confirmed kill with BVR AMRAAM on WgCdr Abhi who led the IAF team, and his wingman breaks away towards Riasi and WgCdr Noman assumes a probable kill.
It's unclear whether he had locked onto the 2nd MiG, or one of the Su30s who were approaching from Udhampur axis.
The latter seems more possible as IAF accepted it's Su30s were targetted, though their claim of 4-5 AMRAAMs and jamming the missiles is obvious BS as they only found one's remains. The most likely cause of evasion is that it was shot at the edge of it's range, where BVRs get unreliable.

WgCdr Abhi states in a video that he was looking for his target when our AF shot him down. This implies that at WVR the JF17s who lured the MiGs into the trap had employed evasive tactics, which confused Abhi as he lost their signature.
Most BVR kills come without warning for the victim, before they know it the missile hits them, a AIM120 quality.

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I believe this scenario. Two jets confirmed killed...Mig 21 Bison and Su 30 mki.
 
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honestly I love the F16

but even now I should say more JF17 over F16

Anyone conducted evaluation between JF17 block II vs F16?

The Pakistan Air Force's Chief of Air Staff Sohail Aman in his final speech to Air Headquarters announced that the design of the most recent advanced of the country's JF-17 fighter had been finalised. The Air Force agreed on the final design of the JF-17 Block III after a two and a half years of design work. The fighter is set to provide significantly enhanced capabilities relative to the Block II fighter currently in production, though these improvements will be reflected in the aircraft's cost. The fighter is set to become the most advanced in production in any Asian state other than China and South Korea, and will be jointly manufactured by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Aviation Industry Group of China. Pakistan's Air Force already fields over 100 domestically manufactured JF-17 fighters from Block I and Block II.

The JF-17 Block III is set to integrate an advanced AESA radar capable of tracking fifteen targets and engaging four simultaneously at extreme distances. When armed with sophisticated Chinese built PL-12 air to air missiles, the fighters are able to pose a threat to enemy aircraft at distances of up to 100km, making them arguably more lethal than Pakistan's F-16 fighters which rely on U.S. made AIM-120B missiles which have poorer manoeuvrability and are restricted to a 75km range. Other formidable armaments include the YJ-12, a 400km range anti ship missile with a payload of 200-500kg designed to allow China's fighters to destroy threaten hostile warships including aircraft carriers. Equipping the JF-17 with these missiles does much to compensate for the larger size and more advanced capabilities of the Indian and U.S. Navies by providing critical air support to Pakistan's own Navy. Long range targeting will be facilitated by advanced Chinese designed KLJ-7A radars, which are produced in the Pakistani town of Kamra north of Islamabad. Block III fighters are also set to integrate significantly improved HMD avionics and an infrared search and tracking system. New engines are also expected to allow the fighter to exceed speeds of Mach 2 for the first time, eclipsing the speeds of the vast majority of several light fighters including the Dassault Rafale, HAL Tejas, F-18E and F-16. The fighter is also set to make a greater use of composite materials, making the airframe more resilient and lighter. Induction of the JF-17 Block III into the Air Force is expected to have started by the end of 2020.

Source: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...k-iii-what-to-expect-from-the-new-jet-fighter
 
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The latest image (March 2019) indicated that first customer of JF-17B (S/N 1707) turned out to be the Myanmar Air Force.
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If JF-17 Block-III is based on JF-17-IIB platform them there could possibly be JF-17 IIIB and the likely reason that PAF is waiting on it. IIIB as a dedicated Strike / SEAD / Growler type rather then as trainer that MAF is getting.

F-16V would make the IAF head spin, even a 16/18 craft order would be a game changer and dampen any superiority IAF may feel when it inducts Rafale.
 
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An old video of ATLIS -II POD on YF-16. The accuracy achieved through Martin Marietta ATLIS II pod could have prompted PAF to go for Thompson ATLIS II Pod.


PAF F-16 A with Thompson Atlis II POD

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@Oscar Can PAF use older F-16 targeting pods like Atlis on Thunders or other PAF fighters?
Do they work stand alone or need integration with other onboard sensors?


An old video of ATLIS -II POD on YF-16. The accuracy achieved through Martin Marietta ATLIS II pod could have prompted PAF to go for Thompson ATLIS II Pod.


PAF F-16 A with Thompson Atlis II POD

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can any fellow confirm about what AA missile K8 carrying. Is it AIM-9 sidewinder?
 
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