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[Dazzler]

 

[denel]

You are placing the WS-10 in the same category and quality as it’s Russian, American, French and British counterparts? Granted the Chinese are making massive strides and might conceivably close the technology gap within a decade, no-one would claim the Chinese are there yet.



None of that is under dispute but they aren’t there quite yet.

I concur, they are coming close but not there yet; for now industrial espionage is one way where they are getting more insights from.

 

[MastanKhan]

I concur, they are coming close but not there yet; for now industrial espionage is one way where they are getting more insights from.

Hi,

Industrial espionage in reverse was used to sabotage their fighter aircraft engine project---.

20 years ago---the west already knew that the chinese would steal their product knowledge---.

For that reason---they sabotaged the material composition percentage of critical engine parts ( turbine blades ) and allowed the information to be stolen---.

The product worked perfect for a 100-200 hours under testing and then would break down---then re-configuration and rebuilding would set the program back by a few years---.

 

[denel]

Hi,

Industrial espionage in reverse was used to sabotage their fighter aircraft engine project---.

20 years ago---the west already knew that the chinese would steal their product knowledge---.

For that reason---they sabotaged the material composition percentage of critical engine parts ( turbine blades ) and allowed the information to be stolen---.

The product worked perfect for a 100-200 hours under testing and then would break down---then re-configuration and rebuilding would set the program back by a few years---.

THey have a long way to go in localised engine production.

 

[fatman17]

Recent images (December 2017) indicated that Wing Long IIhas been undergoing weapon integration tests by launching various GPS/laser/IR guided air-to-air, air-to-surface missiles and bombs. The latest satellite image (October 2017) suggested that UAE has acquired the first batch of Wing Loong II UCAV. The latest news (October 2018) claimed that Pakistan plans to produce 48 Wing Loong II under licence at PAC Kamra.

- Last Updated 10/14/18

 

[Chak Bamu]

Recent images (December 2017) indicated that Wing Long IIhas been undergoing weapon integration tests by launching various GPS/laser/IR guided air-to-air, air-to-surface missiles and bombs. The latest satellite image (October 2017) suggested that UAE has acquired the first batch of Wing Loong II UCAV. The latest news (October 2018) claimed that Pakistan plans to produce 48 Wing Loong II under licence at PAC Kamra.

- Last Updated 10/14/18

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Would they be built at a separate facility or the one being used for JF-17 manufacturing?

 

[jupiter2007]

Most likely separate area will be setup for these since it will take few years to manufacture these.

 

[araz]

Would they be built at a separate facility or the one being used for JF-17 manufacturing?

Likely to be separate but within the Kamra complex. It is intriguing how various facilities are being developed close together so resources can remain a common.
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[Thorough Pro]

It would make sense to produce them in the same facility. You don't setup a brand new facility for just 48 samples.

Would they be built at a separate facility or the one being used for JF-17 manufacturing?

and a big plum target in case of war. Never keep all your eggs in the same basket.

Likely to be separate but within the Kamra complex. It is intriguing how various facilities are being developed close together so resources can remain a common.
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[fatman17]

The latest image (October 2018) indicated that the first batch of 6 JF-17Ms were delivered to Myanmar Air Force, which has become the second customer of the aircraft.
- Last Updated 10/20/18

 

[CriticalThought]

The latest image (October 2018) indicated that the first batch of 6 JF-17Ms were delivered to Myanmar Air Force, which has become the second customer of the aircraft.
- Last Updated 10/20/18

So you are confirming Nigeria as the first customer?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So you are confirming Nigeria as the first customer?

2nd.
'First was Myanmar... with deal announced in 2015... at the French Air Show.

 

[CriticalThought]

2nd.
'First was Myanmar... with deal announced in 2015... at the French Air Show.

His post says Myanmar airforce is the second customer...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

His post says Myanmar airforce is the second customer...

Pakistan wins first JF-17 order at Paris Air Show: PAF
By Web Desk / AFP
Published: June 15, 2015
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With a total 11 countries including Pakistan, China also markets the aircraft. PHOTO: APP

PARIS: After high expectations for a deal to pull through, Pakistan was successful in securing its first ever export order for its JF-17 Thunder fighter on Monday at the first day of the International Paris Air Show.

Air Commodore and Pakistan Air Force officer dealing in sales and marketing, Khalid Mahmood said “A contract has been signed with an Asian country.” However the name of the country was not disclosed and deliveries are likely to begin in 2017.

The report added that 80 people were promoting the JF-17 in Paris this year, reflecting a significant marketing push.



Read: Pakistan eager to secure first ever-order for the JF-17 at Paris Air Show

Due to security concerns and client sensitivities, Mahmood chose not to specify the name of the customer and the number of aircraft it will obtain from Pakistan.

Further, speaking to AFP from the Paris Air Show by phone, Air Commodore Syed Muhammad Ali said an order for the plane had been finalised but declined to give details.

“That’s the case, we’ve finalised the order,” he said, citing sensitivities for not naming the client, the number of aircraft or the date of delivery.

Mahmood further stated that the sales for the JF-17 had been delayed due to the political turmoil in numerous countries in the Middle East.

Having brought three aircraft to the show this year, one of them will make its flying debut.


https://tribune.com.pk/story/903828...order-at-international-paris-air-show-report/

 

[araz]

It would make sense to produce them in the same facility. You don't setup a brand new facility for just 48 samples.



and a big plum target in case of war. Never keep all your eggs in the same basket.

beggers cannot be choosers my friend. I have thought of the consequences of clustering but the answers are not so easy.
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